Dude just said that you could most likely get to 80% within 90 min approximately meaning you could play BOTW for 144 min. While that exchange isn't amazing, it's disingenuous to leave that information out and shows that you didn't completely understand Thraktor's post.
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Switch charging time is 3 hours, non-removable battery
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Dude just said that you could most likely get to 80% within 90 min approximately meaning you could play BOTW for 144 min. While that exchange isn't amazing, it's disingenuous to leave that information out and shows that you didn't completely understand Thraktor's post.
Isn't that a normal thing or even fast for a tablet released in the last couple of years?
Hint: The answer is yes.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
lmao i appreciate the tech talk but that doesn't change the battery life times. Thanks for breaking it down though?
Yes.
My SGS6 has a 2500mAh battery and quick charges in 1.5 hours. The Switch has a 4500mAh battery and quick charges in 3 hours. Checks out approximately.
It doesn't. And it's entirely reasonable to be somewhat shell shocked if you've avoided all Switch speculation and you just came from the 3DS or Vita.
But seeing as this thing is using a tablet chipset in a tablet form factor and supports modern tablet standards, I also think it's pretty reasonable to compare it's battery life and power draw to actual other tablets that already exist.
It's okay for other people to explain how technology works.
That's why you're on a discussion forum, I hope.
I get why Switch has horrible batterylife, Nintendo probably couldn't have really done much more without increasing the size of the console. I just really wanted to play Zelda for more than two hours at my cottage
battery tech sucks, plain and simple.
When something new is discovered, it will be the belle of the ball.
veggiesaurus
Member
A standard usb 2 port on a pc is limited to 2.5 W (500 mA, 5 V). A dedicated usb 2 charger without quick charge can supply far more power to vita charger supplies 7.5 W for example. I'm not sure that the requirement mentioned (5.3 W) warrants anything other than 5 V @ 1.5A.
Quick charge usb c chargers such as those included with modern smartphones can provide up to 15 W at peak.
Having said that....A modern smartphone with a 3300 mAh battery takes around 100 minutes to charge from 0 to 100%, and only about 45 mins to get to 80%.
Quick charge usb c chargers such as those included with modern smartphones can provide up to 15 W at peak.
Having said that....A modern smartphone with a 3300 mAh battery takes around 100 minutes to charge from 0 to 100%, and only about 45 mins to get to 80%.
That's just speculation based on how quick charging works for other devices. Nintendo has said nothing on that possibility. If they do, then we'll know. But I am doubtful of that because if it was able to charge to 80% quickly, I imagine Nintendo would have told us about it to easy battery concerns. It sounds a lot better to say "2.5 to 6 hours battery life and 1 hour to charge to 70%" than to not. So it's not so much information as hopeful speculation. I'd like to believe it too.
Really only Samsung phones do this. Apples are much slower. Slower than Switch it seems too.
CouchMaster
Member
My 6p has 3400mAh battery, doesn't support QC 2.0 and gets full charge in under 90-100 min, that includes trickle charge after 80%. Since Swicth includes a 15V type C charger I honestly expected much better charging time than 3 hours.
Will Nyko save us?
Those things take advantage of the removable 3DS battery, since you can open the back plate and put it in place/addition of the original battery, being Switch battery non-removable it's gonna be tough, they have to make something that goes into the Type C port, which means you'd have to remove it every time you want to dock the Switch, at that point a battery pack with a type c cable makes the job easier
Not from 0, according to Anandtech at least.
Really only Samsung phones do this. Apples are much slower. Slower than Switch it seems too.
Yeah if we focus better it's easier to see how 3 hours for full charge, and while it's in standby mode, is not that long, my Xiaomi Mi5 has quick charge 3.0, yet the battery takes about 1 hours and a half to fully charge from 0 to 100%, and it has a 3000mah battery, the Switch 4300mah is considerably bigger
veggiesaurus
Member
4300/3000 * 90 = 129 mins, so we'd expect something closer to two hours for the switch.
If you use the oneplus 3 as a reference the calculation comes out to 130 mins.
Was that 3 hour charge time while the switch was on standby, or while being used?
If you use the oneplus 3 as a reference the calculation comes out to 130 mins.
Was that 3 hour charge time while the switch was on standby, or while being used?
EatinOlives
Member
Sure, but a bunch of people are tripping over themselves to see who can shout "WHINERS AND BITCHERS HAVE BEEN SHUT DOOOOOOWWN!!!" the loudest. They aren't attempting to engage in meaningful discussion either.
It's worth pointing out to them that nothing about the battery breakdown changes the fact that the battery life is simply too low for what is considered a portable device. The discussion continues regardless of their dancing on top of Thraktor's post, it's not some "trump card".
Do we have English confirmation of battery charge time? Because the google translate seems to suggest that the battery takes about 3 hours to fully charge when the system is in sleep mode but that's just a google translation. If true, I imagine it would take even longer to charge while in use.
Battery life is low for past portable games consoles with low power draw, but I wouldn't say it's low for a portable device now- my tablet or phone struggle to get more than 3 hours when playing games. That's why I carry a battery pack if that's what I'm going to use it for.
Of course. I mean, battery is underwhelming (meaning that everyone would have loved a 5-8 hours of playtime on the go) but still reasonable considering the the nature of the console. Nintendo couldn't make this thing bigger then it is.
KainXVIII
Member
Nintendo hope that you will be playing in dock mode (dat 900p)
Doctor Avatar
Banned
No - you're a scalper. Purposefully scalping is literally taking something away from someone just to make them pay extra for it. As someone who goes to a lot of gigs scalpers make me sick, and everyone who actually listens to music and cares about it hates them.
Much like lying or cheating on your partner scalping limited release tech isn't illegal, but it is completely immoral and selfish.
Scalping of gig tickets is officially illegal because scalping is so anti-consumer and immoral.
You're the kind of person that is happy to hurt and take advantage of other people for your own profit. Maybe you're fine with that, but I wouldn't be. And blaming Nintendo for giving you the opportunity to be unscrupulous is a hilarious excuse.
This is a prime example of why the free market is flawed - since a lot of profit isn't made by providing services or products, but rather in taking advantage of people. You aren't making any money by providing any worth, you're making money by being unscrupulous.
The_Ayertosco
Member
Physics don't come free. I guess it must be pretty intensive for a CPU with all that possible interactions along this big open world...much more then a MK for example...and not counting what the game has to move graphically speaking. There's 3d and 3d.
Doctor Avatar
Banned
Post like this have me baffled. If it's not a handheld why does it have a screen? And use cartridges? And have a battery? And why can it be used as a handheld if it isn't a handheld?
If it isn't a handheld they could have released a box with the Tegra in it bundled with a pro controller for $130. And honestly it would probably sell better than the Switch. The vast majority of the cost of the console is what makes it portable. Yet apparently it isn't a portable.
The hell? lol
I'm keeping my Amazon pre-order but it still shows as available in both Amazon and Gamestop (Italy), let's see when we get close to release
No point in getting one until Mario Odissey releases anyway
I can understand a lot of disappointment about some parts of yesterday reveal, but...
2.5-6h of battery isn't unexpected, and they could hardly do more without compromising the weight, and 3h of charge is normal. The only bad part here is the battery being non replaceable (THAT's an awful choice).
Remember, the faster the charge, the faster you wear out the battery...
As far as phones are concerned, I'm pretty sure they don't mind if you kill your battery in 2-3 years of time, so they may push the battery closer to the limits. I'm sure Nintendo want the Switch still working after 4-5 years at the very least.
2.5-6h of battery isn't unexpected, and they could hardly do more without compromising the weight, and 3h of charge is normal. The only bad part here is the battery being non replaceable (THAT's an awful choice).
4300mAh / 3h means a 1.5A current used for charging. That's perfectly reasonable, and not far from other items on the market.
Remember, the faster the charge, the faster you wear out the battery...
Standby, if I read it correctly.
As far as phones are concerned, I'm pretty sure they don't mind if you kill your battery in 2-3 years of time, so they may push the battery closer to the limits. I'm sure Nintendo want the Switch still working after 4-5 years at the very least.
Usually, electric razors are worse because you can't use them while charging.
I get why Switch has horrible batterylife, Nintendo probably couldn't have really done much more without increasing the size of the console. I just really wanted to play Zelda for more than two hours at my cottage
What? The battery life is on par with even Apple's flagship for 3D games being played continously. Once everyone moved on from 1980s technology, mobile gaming stopped being measured in 2 digit numbers unplugged.
I think it's considered a console you can take with you more than a portable. Battery life seems similar to Gamepad and DS4, even a bit better than those.
For this use case it seems totally fine for me. It's similar to phones too. You're going to have to charge them everyday and with heavy use I strongly suggest getting a power bank if you don't already (why don't you already).
I really don't see a problem with this. For me I even would've preferred the downclock to be less severe at the cost of battery life.
Anandtech report that the 6p has a misleading charging indicator that max out when there are another 40 min of charging to do.
If a pro controller costs 70, a battery replacement would be upwards of 100 I believe.
InsaneFandom
Member
Eh I was hoping the Switch would be better than the 3DS regarding battery life & charging.
It's workable though.
It's workable though.
Cave Johnson
Member
At this point, calling it a portable is disingenuous. It has dock free capabilities, but trying to compare it to other "portable" devices would be a stretch. Hype is dying down by the minute. I thought I'd something to replace the Vita/3DS on the go. Now it's just a console with a "tablet" gimmick.
Immaculate
Banned
what sucks is i(and probably a many others) wanted this as a handheld but as soon as they revealed the battery life would last 3 hours at most on BOTW (and thats probably with brgihtness on low/wifi off etc etc) i immediately didnt want this thing anymore. Heres hoping theres a smaller version of switch that serves as the 3DS successor if Nintendo really plans to go through with the unified handheld and console thing
Jawbreaker
Member
The only way you can make this a bigger disaster at this point is if the batteries start exploding.
RandomExpletive
Member
You could just design the power pack to plug into the type-c connector, while leaving another type-c connector for the dock to plug into.
Of course this doesn't solve the problem, since the extra battery capacity would probably add depth to the device, making it impossible to fit in the dock. Unless they made their own dock...
Hold the fuck on, is there anything stopping us from getting 3rd party Switch docks?
michaelius
Banned
I don't know why charging time is such a big deal. I don't even know what charging time is for PSP/Vita despite using them for nearly 10 years.
Restrictive gaming time also was only a problem when I forgotten to charge them in the evening of previous day.
Restrictive gaming time also was only a problem when I forgotten to charge them in the evening of previous day.
The GPD Win is also a gaming device, and that uses a 6700 mAh battery. Has active cooling too, in a smaller form factor.
Agreed about the charging time, though, that's to be expected.
How long can you play Uncharted on the Vita before it runs out?
protomouse
Member
I get why Switch has horrible batterylife, Nintendo probably couldn't have really done much more without increasing the size of the console. I just really wanted to play Zelda for more than two hours at my cottage
Then you get yourself a cheap USB power bank and take that with you. For $30 you can get one that carries up to 16,000 mAh of charge. That's an additional four Switch charge cycles, basically.
I got 4 and a half hours with flight mode on and brightness set to 30% on my last flight from Malaysia to Seoul (6 hour flight). I remember timing this because I spent the rest of my flight finishing up a novel with 25 minute pomodoros. However, I'm not sure if I started with a full charge because I left it on standby for ages (Vita has tremendous standby times).
Not bad for a device released in late 2011.
Hi guys, a question: the Switch' battery, 4310 mAh, translates, depending on its voltage use as I have seen both 3.7V and 5.0V floating around on the web, to either 4.310 * 3.7 = 15.95 Wh or 4.31 * 5.0 = 21.55 Wh. Assuming I am playing a worst case scenario game, so 2.5 hours of charge, the power usage would be either 6.38W or 8.62W. Now, my local powerbank states that it can charge a system at a rate of 1A with a 5.0V potential, so that means a power supply of 5W. This to me means that the charging by a powerbank would not be fast enough to counter the decrease in energy from the power consumption. I have, however, seen some words written that the battery would in this case be able to hang in there around the 40% mark and remain steady at that charge level. Could some tell me if this is true (and maybe also why, as I would be kinda interested in that too)?
I am considering a reasonably priced powerbank with a large capacity (like 15000-25000 mAh) for those times that I am away from a charging opportunity for many hours (like an intercontinental flight of 11 hours), so hence why I would like to know whether a powerbank of this capability (1A 5V) will be able to keep the system alive for those 10+ hours. Thanks a lot!
I am considering a reasonably priced powerbank with a large capacity (like 15000-25000 mAh) for those times that I am away from a charging opportunity for many hours (like an intercontinental flight of 11 hours), so hence why I would like to know whether a powerbank of this capability (1A 5V) will be able to keep the system alive for those 10+ hours. Thanks a lot!
4300 mAh is WAY above what I thought given the past nintendo choices for its handhelds. Sure, the hours of play it guarantees are low, and the amount to charge is high too, but this time they're not going cheap for reasons and the numbers make sense given the technology. It's just the hybrid nature of the device asking for compromises as predicatble.
Anyway even more reasons to wait for a truely portable Switch, better 16nm process and optimizations should squeeze 4-7h from the same battery, which is fine by me as 3DS/PSV do worse.
I'm curious to see the default battery time though, if Zelda asks for 3h with everything at maximum there's room for better results right at the start if 3DS taught me anything.
Anyway even more reasons to wait for a truely portable Switch, better 16nm process and optimizations should squeeze 4-7h from the same battery, which is fine by me as 3DS/PSV do worse.
I'm curious to see the default battery time though, if Zelda asks for 3h with everything at maximum there's room for better results right at the start if 3DS taught me anything.
kingkaiser
Member
You've got to hand it to them, that's a very innovative way of parental control.
Kissenkopf
Banned
Hey stranger...dont tell it to anbody...but i bet you can play while you charge.
What you are saying 3DS shouldnt have existed either ?