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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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eso76
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So, Scorpio will probably be able to run xbox one games in quasi-native 4k (even 900p ones, it seems).
Uhmm...isn't this what it was always meant to do ?
I mean, anything more would have been a huge waste since it has to maintain compatibility with the regular xbox one, no ?
Were you anticipating spending 599$ for components devs would never be able to put to good use ?
Plus this paper is from shortly after their 2016 E3 conference. Not that I expect any major change, but it's only obvious it would confirm the specs Microsoft told us in June last year.
Uhmm...isn't this what it was always meant to do ?
I mean, anything more would have been a huge waste since it has to maintain compatibility with the regular xbox one, no ?
Were you anticipating spending 599$ for components devs would never be able to put to good use ?
Plus this paper is from shortly after their 2016 E3 conference. Not that I expect any major change, but it's only obvious it would confirm the specs Microsoft told us in June last year.
Kazuo Hirai
I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
Microsoft can not control pc as Xbox one.After a Xbox user transfer to PC, he would buy most games from steam, and valve can take 30% tax, Microsoft lose the tax.
Interfectum
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Your embarrassing console warrior drivebys probably annoy people, just sayin.
What A Time To Be Alive
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Eh, if this thing hardware-wise isn't that much different than the PS4 Pro, I wonder why they waited until this year to launch it. Seems kind of stupid imo going off the specs were hearing.
The only thing I will say though is that these leaked pages come from just after E3 2016 so things could have changed but idk.
The only thing I will say though is that these leaked pages come from just after E3 2016 so things could have changed but idk.
Yes, though some either interpreted Su's comment differently or assumed that she was telling white lies.
Dark Cloud
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Why do you always feel the need to shit on the Switch when it's irrelevant to this topic?
Same goes for the random engine poster for even bringing up the Switch. Keep that console warrior fanboy crap away. You're not getting a gold medal from your favorite companies by hating on something that's not competition.
Gudji
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6 months is old? Cmon.
Chill Penguin
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I would rather they continue promoting the Xbox one s, concentrate on GAMES, and then release a beast of a console (zen+vega) in 2018.
Those are PC ports though...not the XB1 binary running as is on PC (?) Plus their own (ported) games may not take advantage of any lower level characteristics of XB1's CPU, but the question of whether it's possible for XB1 games to do so (and thus for others to have done so) is a different one. Unmodified existing XB1 binaries will have to just work on the new machine without any issues. Maybe the CPU execution environment was highly abstracted, just wondering if we know that was the case for sure.
randomengine
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I also own all the systems including PS4 and XBO. Just saying.
It was the same with the pro dont expect many changes.
This is fine as well both systems are just upgrades.
Yep
Res differences between PS4 Pro and Scorpio will be inline with Xbox One and PS4 differences.
Maximilian Kolbe
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What AMD can offer in 2017 other than Jaguar(Puma)?
LordOfChaos
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The processor likely being nearly the same aside, if the rendering of 12GB memory was right, and the stated 320GB/s bandwidth and 6Tf GPU are still a substantial uptick one year after the Pro.
Both will be fine machines methinks. If the Scorpio launches at 400 I could see a Pro price drop, this will be good for all of us regardless.
That said, most of us probably expected they'd be doing checkerboarding like methods, but with all their "TRUE 4K" hype, even stamping 4K on the APU, that'll be a funny one to see them backtrack from.
Both will be fine machines methinks. If the Scorpio launches at 400 I could see a Pro price drop, this will be good for all of us regardless.
That said, most of us probably expected they'd be doing checkerboarding like methods, but with all their "TRUE 4K" hype, even stamping 4K on the APU, that'll be a funny one to see them backtrack from.
Ricky Ricardo
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I didn't know correcting misinformation was "shitting on."
Don't hate, I didn't spec the machine.
So? Does that magically make your posts, like the one ITT, acceptable then?
Don't worry, you'll be reposting this each page for the rest of the thread and no one will acknowledge.
Nikodemos
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This. IIRC 2.5 GHz is the maximum one can reliably squeeze out of that architecture (albeit in its Puma+ incarnation). I really hope MS were able to get 2.5 GHz, to lower the bottleneck a bit.
Yeah...
That video states that games that are already 1080p can hit 4K native using 75% of the available 6TF GPU.
So the 900p and 720p titles are the ones that will see an improvement relative to this also, however these are the titles that may prefer to be rendered differently in order to get there.
Considering the specs difference is not that relevant and the likely Pro price cut during this year, i think 350$ is a better price point to rival Ps4 Pro.
LukasTaves
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This is interesting. So the GPU is powerful enough to bring a 900p xbone game to 4k, due some efficiences to rasterizer, and for 1080p titles should do it with power to spare.
Scorpio also supports checkerboard rendering, but Ms is recommending it only to effects, like transparencies, shadows, GI and AO, because you can increase the quality of these effects without a huge compromise in performance or visual due the checkerboard, so indeed a 4k console but with low resolution effects like pretty much is the norm.
Scorpio also supports checkerboard rendering, but Ms is recommending it only to effects, like transparencies, shadows, GI and AO, because you can increase the quality of these effects without a huge compromise in performance or visual due the checkerboard, so indeed a 4k console but with low resolution effects like pretty much is the norm.
Dee Dah Dave
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The white paper hardly gives much detail at all, but there was never going to be any huge surprises.
The Scorpio is exactly what Microsoft have said it is all along. A 4K Xbox One. Plus maybe a bit more in reserve for graphics, depending on how devs tune their games.
The Scorpio is exactly what Microsoft have said it is all along. A 4K Xbox One. Plus maybe a bit more in reserve for graphics, depending on how devs tune their games.
randomengine
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The narrative was that Scorpio would leave Switch in the dust. That won't be the case. I was just pointing that out. Not saying in that post that one is better than another. Sheesh guys lighten up.
I am actually surprised that Microsoft is still pursuing checkerboard now that pro numbers are in and tepid.
A further look down my post history would show that.
Maximus P
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andthebeatgoeson
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I did not know the xbone was only slightly more than 1 teraflop. I assumed all the new gen was a couple of teraflops.
This and I need to take back what I said about this being MS's next gen console.
I wonder does no ESRAM effect 360 B/C? I hope not.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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If anything, this is great because now the PS4 Pro won't be alone in its capabilities and since Microsoft is meeting the same milestone's, that means the purpose for both are being fulfilled. All in all, my Pro was a good purchase going by this so im excited for the final specs.
Dark Cloud
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You don't even know the exact specs of the system (like who cares anyways except certain people I guess).
It's like someone coming in this topic and shitting on the Scorpio, when these aren't exact details.
BigEmil
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That won't be in line with their "uncompressed pixels" and the "highest quality pixels" now would it?
Even 'true 4k'
I could see a number of devs opting for a higher native resolution on Scorpio as opposed to a reconstructed one just due to it's ability to push more pixels and the time that would save in the dev process.
Games that are native 1080p on Xbox One should be able to hit native 4K on Scorpio.
That sounds about right although I think it will be less noticeable than the differences between the original consoles due to the increase in output resolution. Of course, that assumes that that both consoles handle checkerboard rendering equally, which they should.
The "feel" of 60 fps taken to its literal extreme, lol.
Maximus P
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What exactly was you expecting?
frogger
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Delusional.
Interfectum
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http://www.xbox.com/en-US/project-scorpio
That's all it's ever been. They put 4K on the damn chip. lol
Hopes and dreams is what lead Scorpio going from a 4K Xbox to new gen hotness.
Ricerocket
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MS has been saying 4K was the goal of the console repeatedly. 8 core Zen is barely coming out for desktop and people are expecting them to cram it in the SoC with Vega is overkill and pushes up cost.
So much for uncompressed highest quality pixels ever.
So much for uncompressed highest quality pixels ever.
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