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Edge #304 - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild special

Discomurf

Member
So Wii U version is 720p, has more inconsistent frame rate but possibly better bloom and dynamic lighting. Think I can deal with that.
 

Fireblend

Banned
Yes, that sounds pretty cool! Can't wait to see how they have done that.

I know, but isn't Zelda about... well topping our expectations? I mean nobody in the 90s could have imagined the twists with Ocarina of Time/ ALTTP
You should listen to Waypoint's latest podcast. Austin Walker refers to there being
less dungeons
this time around and how he was convinced through playing the game that it wasn't necessarily a negative point.
 

Zia

Member
Well when you say things like Gaming's greatest most beloved series etc. you're not really writing it as opinion.

Just saying I dislike reviews that gush with that kind of hyperbole over any game

I never thought I'd see someone mentioning positive hyperbole from an EDGE review...
 

Cartho

Member
Kind of hate hyperbolic reviews like this. Some of those quotes being opinions and being written as scripture is pretty cringey imo

So we should ban amazing games because you don't ike it when games get extremely good reviews. ALL GAMES MUST HAVE SOME TOTAL SHIT RIGHT?


Some of those quotes being opinions

Erm, it's a review? Of course there will be opinions.
 

LotusHD

Banned
You should listen to Waypoint's latest podcast. Austin Walker refers to there being
less dungeons
this time around and how he was convinced through playing the game that it wasn't necessarily a negative point.

I was originally worried about this, but then I realized that between the shrines, encountering mini-bosses, and just the sheer excitement of actually exploring the world compared to previous entries, I'll be more than fine concerning whatever number they give us.

No it's never been.

I see...
 

Kebiinu

Banned
Well when you say things like Gaming's greatest most beloved series etc. you're not really writing it as opinion.

Just saying I dislike reviews that gush with that kind of hyperbole over any game

It's not hyperbole though, Zelda is gamings greatest, most beloved series...
 

Lemondish

Member

I absolutely agree with him. Link is a beloved character, but as a series it has spent a decade or more trying to return to the highs of OoT and failed each time. Well, until now apparently.

Or so says one reviewer.

It's not hyperbole though, Zelda is gamings greatest, most beloved series...

That's simply not true. How could gaming's most beloved series continue to sell so poorly and be so downright regressive with each entry?

Again, until now, of course.
 

Dr.Hadji

Member
For those wondering what about BotW amounts to a noticeable (paradigm?) shift away from openworld norms should listen to the WayPoint podcast. At around the 20min mark, Austin seems to slowly come to the conclusion that, just because a game world is open, that doesn't mean moving around through that environment is exploring or adventuring (or at least not in a strong sense). Open worlds have the Ubisoft style, the GTA style, the Wither 3 style, ect. And Austin puts BotW is a all its own.

Btw, the anyone else say "Bawtwaw" when saying BotW out loud?
 

Elandyll

Banned
No it's never been.

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Lol what?

Even Shinobi would spit on that one.

It's not -the- most beloved Nin franchise in Japan, but you can't say a franchise that sells routinely 10m+ on its mainline opuses isn't beloved, sorry.

Edit: "was joking" claim. Right.
 

phanphare

Banned
For those wondering what about BotW amounts to a noticeable (paradigm?) shift away from openworld norms should listen to the WayPoint podcast. At around the 20min mark, Austin seems to slowly come to the conclusion that, just because a game world is open, that doesn't mean moving around through that environment is exploring or adventuring (or at least not in a strong sense). Open worlds have the Ubisoft style, the GTA style, the Wither 3 style, ect. And Austin puts BotW is a all its own.

Btw, the anyone else say "Bawtwaw" when saying BotW out loud?

yeah this podcast was a really interesting listen
 
The bigger reviewers are also supposedly playing Persona 5 on top of all of this. Mass Effect, and Nier soon. Next couple of weeks will be jam packed..

Personally glad i'm only covering two of them.
 

benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
There are a few things going on here.

The claim that the poster objected to was is THE greatest, most beloved gaming series

so the defense of that claim can't be ONE OF the greatest, most beloved gaming series.

In addition to the ones just saying things to make a joke out of not believing this alleged obvious truth.

I certainly think it's a much easier case to say greatest gaming series is Grand Theft Auto over Zelda, than vice versa.
 

LotusHD

Banned
For those wondering what about BotW amounts to a noticeable (paradigm?) shift away from openworld norms should listen to the WayPoint podcast. At around the 20min mark, Austin seems to slowly come to the conclusion that, just because a game world is open, that doesn't mean moving around through that environment is exploring or adventuring (or at least not in a strong sense). Open worlds have the Ubisoft style, the GTA style, the Wither 3 style, ect. And Austin puts BotW is a all its own.

Btw, the anyone else say "Bawtwaw" when saying BotW out loud?

Listened to the whole thing last night. I like his take on how maybe "open world fatigue" is this thing we say in order to mask the fact that perhaps that game is just actually bad in terms of how it built its world. That we need to zoom in and take a closer look as to how to truly tie it all together.
 

phanphare

Banned
Listened to the whole thing last night. I like his take on how maybe "open world fatigue" is this thing we say in order to mask the fact that perhaps that game is just actually bad in terms of how it built its world. That we need to zoom in and take a closer look as to how to truly tie it all together.

agreed. I really enjoyed that podcast. lots of interesting and thoughtful discussion.

I certainly think it's a much easier case to say greatest gaming series is Grand Theft Auto over Zelda, than vice versa.

I respect your opinion but, whew, I couldn't disagree more
 

benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
I respect your opinion but, whew, I couldn't disagree more
It's not about my opinion. Grand Theft Auto is not my greatest most beloved franchise.

But it sells a shit ton more than Zelda and has had incredible critical acclaim for many years and since we've had metrics that track playerbases it has been consistently one of the most played games every single month.
 

RAIDEN1

Member
The Switch's killer app has delivered!!...was there ever any doubt this game would be rated amongst the 9's and 10's?
 

phanphare

Banned
It's not about my opinion. Grand Theft Auto is not my greatest most beloved franchise.

But it sells a shit ton more than Zelda and has had incredible critical acclaim for many years.

sales isn't the end all be all of the equation and let's not act like pretty much every Zelda game wasn't critically acclaimed since its inception as a series with many more games under its belt than the gta series

for me this comparison begins and ends when you consider how much longer Zelda has been doing it. the grand theft auto series started in 1997 and didn't really reach critical mass until grand theft auto 3 in 2001

the legend of zelda began in 1986 and has been setting standards ever since
 
Are we going to do this downplay crap every time a website/magazine that gave Skyward Sword a 10 (spoiler, there were a ton) also gives BotW a 10? How the fuck does this bother so many people, goddamn, what a way to live your lives.
 

benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
sales isn't the end all be all of the equation and let's not act like pretty much every Zelda game wasn't critically acclaimed since its inception as a series with many more games under its belt than the gta series
What is the criteria then? I named 3 which I think are reasonable.
 

benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
read the rest of my post
So basically there is no way to quantify it at all. Zelda did some things that may have influenced other games and is also old so therefor it's THE most beloved and greatest franchise of all time.

Okay, I don't think that's a good case. Certainly it isn't such an incredibly strong case that merely doubting its accuracy deserves derision.
 

phanphare

Banned
So basically there is no way to quantify it at all. Zelda did some things that may have influenced other games and is also old so therefor it's THE most beloved and greatest franchise of all time.

Okay, I don't think that's a good case. Certainly it isn't such an incredibly strong case that merely doubting its accuracy deserves derision.

I certainly don't think longevity, consistency, critical acclaim, and influence across the entire medium can just be shrugged off but hey, opinions
 

Mafro

Member
It's always entertaining seeing how mad some people get at Nintendo doing well at anything. It's both hilarious and embarrassing
I think people getting touchy at a Nintendo game getting unanimous praise is my new favourite thing on here.

They're going to loose their minds at the review thread from the sounds of things.
 

benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
I certainly don't think longevity, consistency, critical acclaim, and influence across the entire medium can just be shrugged off but hey, opinions
Neither do I think so, but you haven't exactly made a case. You've just been wishy washy about this obvious truthiness of Zelda being THE most beloved and greatest gaming franchise ever.
 

Okolonans

Neo Member
It's frankly embarrassing how seriously some people take review scores and how they accept them as fact. People are already calling this a masterpiece and game of the generation. I thought people learned their lesson with Skyward Sword. Most mainstream reviewers simply aren't good at playing or evaluating games (and neither are most gamers). The game might be amazing, but I certainly won't be taking EDGE's word for it, or any other mainstream reviewer.

I guess I assumed everyone else grew out of getting "hyped" at age 14, maybe it was just me. It's stupid to get caught up in the advertising spectacle, you'll only damage your ability to accurately assess the game and to play it without bias.
 
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