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[MoonFrog]

I think they tried to stretch the wait for Scorpio campaign too far. It's starting to turn and there are still months and months to go. All eyes are on Ms for e3.

Tbh, my eyes are more on Switch and what sort of support/what sort of first party stuff Nintendo has for late 2017 going into 2018. We'll get some signs as to that at e3, good or bad. I'm hoping good, because Switch is the successor console to the places I, generally, spend the most time gaming.

I am highly curious about MS, though. And I really do not buy the line that MS can push the Xbox brand that much further without compelling, exclusive software, either consoles or their PC storefront. MS needs, imo, to start pushing more new, exciting, smaller ambition games and taking outsized risks on some of those to push their mindshare.

I don't think they're going to do that. They seem exceedingly cautious these days. That's not entirely fair, as they have tried some things and things like Scalebound falling apart might not actually be entirely on them but...it really isn't working out for them and their response to this has been lackluster.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

No offense, but seriously? No thanks. The less interaction I have with the Xbox Twitter Army, the better.

You dont have to interact with them.

I just wanted to show that Scorpio has kept a very strong midshare amongst gamers for nearly a year now and Twitter is loaded with hundreds of daily tweets from the Xbox Twitter Army - whatever the fuck that actually means?

And like this thread is a beacon of intelligent and well thought out discussion and insight, its just Scorpio and Scalebound memes with a sprinkling of snidey photoshop images, this is cool though?

 

[Madness]

Honestly, hire a competent writer and get a decent studio working on a new Kameo game. If Tomb Raider can be rebooted into something different so can this.

Kameo, Banjo, Conker, Perfect Dark, Alan Wake, even getting Insomniac back for Sunset Overdrive 2. Paying Crytek for the Ryse IP and having another Ryse. So many things to bring great games back to Xbox. And yet jackshit for years. An almost indie level game in ReCore, cancellation of Scalebound, delay of Crackdown for 2 years etc.

 

[Figments]

What's even the point in doing that anymore? To make GAF happy that more singleplayer games exist?

Fuck that.

There's already plenty of singleplayer games or games with singleplayer campaigns. Microsoft needs to market the hell out of the games they're soon releasing, not pander to armchair industry analysts on a forum.

The sheer revisionism by people claiming Scalebound never looked interesting or good makes me sad.

No, the revisionism is that GAF even cared about Scalebound in the first place. When it was announced, there was no limit to the amount of people saying "this will bomb", "this isn't what I want in a Platinum game", et cetera.

 

[Bgamer90]

There's already plenty of singleplayer games or games with singleplayer campaigns. Microsoft needs to market the hell out of the games they're soon releasing, not pander to armchair industry analysts on a forum.

Yep. They simply need to make sure that what they have will be good when it releases instead of rushing the games out just so that "the battle" stays interesting.

For example, Sony is currently benefiting from having the ability to rely on third party multiplats back in 2014. There were many articles in 2014 about the PS4 lacking exclusives and I even remember Sony making an official statement about it. They didn't have too (it was honestly tacky) -- especially when the system had many popular games coming. Same is true for the Xbox One. If MS missing Q1/Q2 means that what they have in store during the second half of the year will be better when they heavily push the Scorpio then that's fine in my opinion. Releasing titles just for the sake of doing so isn't going to help if they aren't ready.

A lineup with solid multiplats is better for sales than a lineup with solid multiplats and hyped up exclusives that get poor reviews.

No, the revisionism is that GAF even cared about Scalebound in the first place. When it was announced, there was no limit to the amount of people saying "this will bomb", "this isn't what I want in a Platinum game", et cetera.

I was interested in it but I never thought the game would sell well. I honestly thought it would bomb (as you stated).

 

[NegroNinja]

The sheer revisionism by people claiming Scalebound never looked interesting or good makes me sad.

It looked good until the e3 demo. That was a hot mess.

 

[btrboyev]

If Microsoft was smart and wanted to shake things up, they would buy Sega and all of their IP. They should have done that back in 2001.

 

[link2021]

how about Microsoft go for the MCU approach with rare games have all of them live in the same universe ?

 

[Katana_Strikes]

What's even the point in doing that anymore? To make GAF happy that more singleplayer games exist?

Fuck that.

There's already plenty of singleplayer games or games with singleplayer campaigns. Microsoft needs to market the hell out of the games they're soon releasing, not pander to armchair industry analysts on a forum.



No, the revisionism is that GAF even cared about Scalebound in the first place. When it was announced, there was no limit to the amount of people saying "this will bomb", "this isn't what I want in a Platinum game", et cetera.

Umm... wasn't Scalebound one of the top games people here were most looking forward to last year? So that doesn't add up.

But SB never looked good to me and it's development didn't sound so hot anyways. Along with the Xbox audience, I'd have not put any hope into it selling, even if it was deserved if it somehow turned out anything more than crap.

 

[Sydle]

If Microsoft was smart and wanted to shake things up, they would buy Sega and all of their IP. They should have done that back in 2001.

Didn't they try?

 

[Rolf NB]

how about Microsoft go for the MCU approach with rare games have all of them live in the same universe ?

As pirates, on a pirate ship.

 

[Sydle]

Umm... wasn't Scalebound one of the top games people here were most looking forward to last year? So that doesn't add up.

But SB never looked good to me and it's development didn't sound so hot anyways. Along with the Xbox audience, I'd have not put any hope into it selling, even if it was deserved if it somehow turned out anything more than crap.

It was number 22 for 2017.

 

[Guymelef]

No, the revisionism is that GAF even cared about Scalebound in the first place. When it was announced, there was no limit to the amount of people saying "this will bomb", "this isn't what I want in a Platinum game", et cetera.

I'm the first who said it would bomb, because it would bomb, but talking about GAF general opinion...


2017:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330634

22 Scalebound 179
30 Crackdown 3 105
31 Sea Of Thieves 102
44 Halo Wars 2 42
52 State of Decay 2 34

2016:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1169319

Over Gears of War 4.

 

[PuppetMaster]

When I think of Xbox now, I think State of Decay.

Spoiler

I hear there is a half decent game with this name as well

 

[Pizza]

4 player ODST sequel in the vein of ghost recon wild lands

 

[cakely]

You dont have to interact with them.

I just wanted to show that Scorpio has kept a very strong midshare amongst gamers for nearly a year now and Twitter is loaded with hundreds of daily tweets from the Xbox Twitter Army - whatever the fuck that actually means?

I was referring to the multitude of vocal Xbox supporters on twitter, some of which are quite obnoxious, and some who have taken to using a zodiac sign in place of the letter "M". I think you knew that, though.

 

[wapplew]

I'm the first who said it would bomb, because it would bomb, but talking about GAF general opinion...

2017:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330634

2016:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1169319

Over Gears of War 4.

And MS made the smartest decision, bet against GAF.

 

[T.Slothrop]

Any game at this point. Because right now they have no games.

XBone is the preferred console of "basic gamers" everywhere.

Honestly, I feel like it's a red state console. I have no evidence for that, just my BS hot take. And I think because it really isn't a gamer's console there's no reason for them to release gamer's games. Just do the 2K, Madden, COD shit and rethink your strategy for Scorpio.

 

[Guymelef]

I was referring to the multitude of vocal Xbox supporters on twitter, some of which are quite obnoxious, and some who have taken to using a zodiac sign in place of the letter "M". I think you knew that, though.

They are always the same people probably.
They are legion.

 

[psyfi]

this should be a Kameo thread, what are you all doing

Any game at this point. Because right now they have no games.

XBone is the preferred console of "basic gamers" everywhere.

Honestly, I feel like it's a red state console. I have no evidence for that, just my BS hot take. And I think because it really isn't a gamer's console there's no reason for them to release gamer's games. Just do the 2K, Madden, COD shit and rethink your strategy for Scorpio.

You know, this isn't too far from the truth, probably.

 

[Elfstruck]

They are always the same people probably.
They are legion.

Lead by timdog and crapgamer lol

 

[Richard_Venom]

Forza in prehistoric land

 

[d00d3n]

Crackdown 3 on cloud steroids served with secret sauce

 

[JlNX]

Any game at this point. Because right now they have no games.

XBone is the preferred console of "basic gamers" everywhere.

Honestly, I feel like it's a red state console. I have no evidence for that, just my BS hot take. And I think because it really isn't a gamer's console there's no reason for them to release gamer's games. Just do the 2K, Madden, COD shit and rethink your strategy for Scorpio.

Except you just have to look at third party sales between both consoles to see this as false.
Those game you mention sell better on ps4 or on par with xbox, while hard core games like Witcher 3 or dark souls 3 sell on par or ps4 slightly higher (due to the install base.)

 

[Trago]

Doubt that it matters much, but we'll have to wait until E3 this year for new AAA game announcements out of them.

 

[wapplew]

At this point, I bet they'll announce 20 new titles just to shut everyone up.

 

[Hugh Swank]

Any game at this point. Because right now they have no games.

XBone is the preferred console of "basic gamers" everywhere.

Honestly, I feel like it's a red state console. I have no evidence for that, just my BS hot take. And I think because it really isn't a gamer's console there's no reason for them to release gamer's games. Just do the 2K, Madden, COD shit and rethink your strategy for Scorpio.

"Basic gamers"??? WTF does that even mean???

 

[LKSmash]

"Basic gamers"??? WTF does that even mean???

don't do it. don't fall into that trap.

 

[JlNX]

"Basic gamers"??? WTF does that even mean???

It's what happens when a person joins Neogaf looks around assumes every one here is a playstation or pc gamer, which I don't blame them. Which then allows them to think they can spout fanboy memes with out being called out for it. A safe space per say.

 

[Hugh Swank]

don't do it. don't fall into that trap.

Ha, ha, you're right. Thanks for pulling me back from the edge.

 

[Outrun]

The sheer revisionism by people claiming Scalebound never looked interesting or good makes me sad.

It is not revisionism. Lots of people commented that what they saw was not Platinum's finest.

 

[massucci]

If Microsoft was smart and wanted to shake things up, they would buy Sega and all of their IP. They should have done that back in 2001.

A Japanese company? Doesn't seems that great deal looking at the past.

 

[Fisty]

Probably State of Decay 2, that ones got me sweating and I don't even have an xbox

 

[SwipeLeftHoney]

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft is prepping to launch Scorpio with a slew of games right out the gate to blow our socks off. That alone will be a big enough response to show Scorpio at E3 with games like Crackdown, Gears of War collection remastered, Alan Wake, and maybe Sunset Overdrive 2, Ryse 2 as launch titles.

 

[Outrun]

Any game at this point. Because right now they have no games.

XBone is the preferred console of "basic gamers" everywhere.

Honestly, I feel like it's a red state console. I have no evidence for that, just my BS hot take. And I think because it really isn't a gamer's console there's no reason for them to release gamer's games. Just do the 2K, Madden, COD shit and rethink your strategy for Scorpio.

Playing Halo Wars 2 right now thank you very much.

 

[BigEmil]

The sheer revisionism by people claiming Scalebound never looked interesting or good makes me sad.

The only footage which looked bad was the forced multiplayer mode out of nowhere

 

[Bits N Pieces]

I was referring to the multitude of vocal Xbox supporters on twitter, some of which are quite obnoxious, and some who have taken to using a zodiac sign in place of the letter "M". I think you knew that, though.

They are always the same people probably.
They are legion.

So let's lump all fans of something under the same umbrella and call them obnoxious? That's a pretty obnoxious statement in its own right.

Of course you get dafties on Twitter but you get them everywhere, even in this very thread. I tend to engage with people on a case by case basis rather than using sweeping generalisations to help frame my point of view.

Anyway, were getting way off base here and probably best to agree to disagree

 

[Katana_Strikes]

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft is prepping to launch Scorpio with a slew of games right out the gate to blow our socks off. That alone will be a big enough response to show Scorpio at E3 with games like Crackdown, Gears of War collection remastered, Alan Wake, and maybe Sunset Overdrive 2, Ryse 2 as launch titles.

And all get crushed by CoD/FIFA/Destiny2/Battlefront 2/RDR2?

Doesn't sound too great a plan. Releasing all those game together in the midst of huge third party titles and then having nothing again for next year. Back to square one.

 

[AudioEppa]

Sorry about this off-topic question.


But does anybody think Microsoft could get CoD back as it's marketing deal / eSports host this year? Or will Activision continue with Sony for the foreseeable future.

With Scorpio on the horizon. It's somewhat interesting if they will continue to put all their FPS eggs in Halo. Even though PS4 is on top. When call of duty stopped being linked with Xbox like in previous years, it really hit a strong message publicly that the Xbox brand isn't what it once was from it's 360 days.

Even though I'm not an Xbox player. I feel like I've paid enough attention over the years to make this following statement.

I don't ever see them challenging other platforms (Sony especially) through strong single player games. But I definitely can see them going deep into their money to secure a new relationship deal with Activision. And still keep EA close by. Yes Xbox has had plenty a single player games over the years. But it's notoriously popular through FPS and Sports games.


Just my thoughts.

 

[FonkyByNature]

This thread is an interesting discussion. Some good points were brought.

As for me, i really love the Xbox platform and i'm a multi console owner, XB1-PS4-Switch. Sadly this gen, i'm kinda disappointed with Microsoft's output in games and unique service, i'm talking stuff like "1 vs 100", summer arcade and Kinect.

The first two Xbox's, the Xbox and the 360, are some of my favorite consoles of all time. Microsoft did bring unique games, enough exclusive games and content and overall a rock solid experience in online and social.

It seems like this gen, Microsoft are still trying to find their groove. They still released some amazing games this gen, Killer Instinct, Forza Horizon, Sunset Overdrive and Gears 4... Their support for online is really better than the competition and backward compatibility is one of the best features this gen to me. I mean last gen, we had a lot of arcade games that i still love to play today and BC helps me keep my collection on current hardware which is fucking awesome. I'm playing Daytona USA on my XB1 and god damn this game is so good...

Honestly, i'm not sure Microsoft need to bring a title like Horizon or Zelda. That's not what it's all about. In my opinion, they need to differenciate themselfs from the competition in a clever way. Bring stuff that doesn't exist on other platforms. MS's strong aspect is online, then focus on bringing those unique games in a competitive addictive way, "1 vs 100" is one of those examples. They have Rare, put a team there to release some variety without a crazy budget, just some unique and different stuff. I believe Rare still got it and sadly MS don't seem to let them do whatever they want.

Anyway, hopefully Scorpio brings that hope back because the Xbox platform is really good and the potential is there. I mean after all these years, i still prefer to play with an Xbox One controller because it's still the best controller in the market right now, play on Xbox Live because it's the best online service, achievements, cloud syncs... their ecosystem is rock solid and works really well. They just need that little extra combined with a great marketing campaign and they're set.

Fingers crossed for a great E3 for MS...

 

[Katana_Strikes]

Sorry about this off-topic question.


But does anybody think Microsoft could get CoD back as it's marketing deal / eSports host this year? Or will Activision continue with Sony for the foreseeable future.

With Scorpio on the horizon. It's somewhat interesting if they will continue to put all their FPS eggs in Halo. Even though PS4 is on top. When call of duty stopped being linked with Xbox like in previous years, it really hit a strong message publicly that the Xbox brand isn't what it once was from it's 360 days.

Even though I'm not an Xbox player. I feel like I've paid enough attention over the years to make this following statement.

I don't ever see them challenging other platforms (Sony especially) through strong single player games. But I definitely can see them going deep into their money to secure a new relationship deal with Activision. And still keep EA close by. Yes Xbox has had plenty a single player games over the years. But it's notoriously popular through FPS and Sports games.


Just my thoughts.

I believe Sony have CoD tied up for a couple more years.

 

[Wagram]

I never thought Scalebound looked good. I was always interested in it to an extent, but the combat looked janky and the co-op huge boss fight looked big for the sake of being so.

However, I think Scalebound was important regardless as it was different. It could have came out and been amazing or it could have been crap. Either way, Microsoft needs all the diversification it can get to attract new users.

 

[ShirAhava]

This shit had me dying

Funniest game related thing I've seen on GAF in five years holy shit I can't breathe

 

[Sydle]

This thread is an interesting discussion. Some good points were brought.

As for me, i really love the Xbox platform and i'm a multi console owner, XB1-PS4-Switch. Sadly this gen, i'm kinda disappointed with Microsoft's output in games and unique service, i'm talking stuff like "1 vs 100", summer arcade and Kinect.

The first two Xbox's, the Xbox and the 360, are some of my favorite consoles of all time. Microsoft did bring unique games, enough exclusive games and content and overall a rock solid experience in online and social.

It seems like this gen, Microsoft are still trying to find their groove. They still released some amazing games this gen, Killer Instinct, Forza Horizon, Sunset Overdrive and Gears 4... Their support for online is really better than the competition and backward compatibility is one of the best features this gen to me. I mean last gen, we had a lot of arcade games that i still love to play today and BC helps me keep my collection on current hardware which is fucking awesome. I'm playing Daytona USA on my XB1 and god damn this game is so good...

Honestly, i'm not sure Microsoft need to bring a title like Horizon or Zelda. That's not what it's all about. In my opinion, they need to differenciate themselfs from the competition in a clever way. Bring stuff that doesn't exist on other platforms. MS's strong aspect is online, then focus on bringing those unique games in a competitive addictive way, "1 vs 100" is one of those examples. They have Rare, put a team there to release some variety without a crazy budget, just some unique and different stuff. I believe Rare still got it and sadly MS don't seem to let them do whatever they want.

Anyway, hopefully Scorpio brings that hope back because the Xbox platform is really good and the potential is there. I mean after all these years, i still prefer to play with an Xbox One controller because it's still the best controller in the market right now, play on Xbox Live because it's the best online service, achievements, cloud syncs... their ecosystem is rock solid and works really well. They just need that little extra combined with a great marketing campaign and they're set.

Fingers crossed for a great E3 for MS...

Great post. Just wanted to point out that Rare wanted to make Sea if Thieves. It was in prototyping starting in Spring 2014 and Rare invited Spencer to the office to see it for the first time in November 2014.

 

[Bgamer90]

"Basic gamers"??? WTF does that even mean???

Popular AAA games that sell really well! (In that case, the only console not for "basic gamers" would be Nintendo I guess.)

 

[FonkyByNature]

Great post. Just wanted to point out that Rare wanted to make Sea if Thieves. It was in prototyping starting in Spring 2014 and Rare invited Spencer to the office to see it for the first time in November 2014.

I feel the social aspect of it is not something Rare would do but i may be wrong on this. To be honest, the game has my curiosity and i'm really looking forward to it because i still love Rare. This is the kind of game that is different enough but i need to see more of it, i want more than sailing ships with friends and find treasures, it could be good, we'll see... One thing is sure, i love the art style !!

 

[watdaeff4]

I was referring to the multitude of vocal Xbox supporters on twitter, some of which are quite obnoxious, and some who have taken to using a zodiac sign in place of the letter "M". I think you knew that, though.

Yeah, I'm glad I'm not on Twitter and can come here and have rational, non-biased discussion with people who aren't obnoxious, fanboys, or have obvious agendas. This thread alone is full of level-headed, non-biased discussion.

 

[TheEndOfItAll]

Honest question about Scalebound that may never see an answer: did MS cancel it because they feared it was going to look closer to ME:A than Horizon? If so, should they have just released it anyway?

 

[Cow Goes Moo]

Why would anyone need to answer to an unproven IP?

that's kind of the point I was making, you don't and why would anyone do that

 

[watdaeff4]

Honest question about Scalebound that may never see an answer: did MS cancel it because they feared it was going to look closer to ME:A than Horizon? If so, should they have just released it anyway?

You're going to get a variety of answers, but the truth is....no one here really knows why or if they do, they can't/won't tell the truth.