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PS4 Pro Won't Support 4k BluRay
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Musky_Cheese
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Wow all those people on forums. My god.
For some reason there doesn't seem like there is that many UHD BD sold. It must be a conspiracy.
I'm sorry but you are using your hopes and wishes to determine the past present and future of UHD BD. But it's the sales data that tells the truth. And it doesn't support your hopes and dreams.
I mean what's your argument here really? That I shouldn't be disappointed? Of course UHD BD aren't lighting the world on fire yet, they really just started coming out late last year, and have just now started to pick up steam. By this time next year the UHD selection will have grown quite a bit, as most movies coming out now have UHD versions. I don't have any hopes and dreams, I'm just going by the fact that UHD BD is the only way to take advantage of an expensive TV, and plenty of people are disappointed by the lack of a UHD BD drive in the pro. People on forums are the people the PS4 pro is marketed towards. Joe Schmoe who buys madden, 2k, and COD every year could give a fuck less what framerate and res a game runs at. The pro is marketed to the kind of people who frequent tech forums and buy expensive TVs, and it's missing a feature that all of those people expected.
I just don't understand the argument that "well, most people don't care!" You know what? Most people don't care about an upgraded GPU, but it just so happens that a large portion of the people who follow the videogame industry and are willing to drop ANOTHER 400 dollars on a console might also happend to care about PQ in movies.
Pictures takes the edge with UHD streaming, unless you got a shitty internet connection.
Obviously also depends on the source material and varies quite a bit.
Why are you bringing Dolby Atmos into the discussion ? It was about about the picture.
God this discussion is nonsense. Same arguments over and over again. They didn't add a player which is shit, but going on and on and repeating the same stuff from months ago is a waste of time. Its done and there is nothing anybody can do about it.
Screw those that bumped it for no reason at all. Enjoy your discussion.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I also got a Xbox one s for UHD BD. I know people tend to be snarky on this forum but in real life I've recommended the Xbox one s over the Samsung player (also own), wish the PS4 pro had the player would only be a plus.
Sony really dropped out he ball with the last batch of hardware releases, no uhd player and no 4K/hdr pass thru on VR... Obvious features early adopters buything these things would want.
Sony really dropped out he ball with the last batch of hardware releases, no uhd player and no 4K/hdr pass thru on VR... Obvious features early adopters buything these things would want.
Poimandres
Member
Even with a rosey outlook, surely you must agree that it's unlikely UHD blu-ray will ultimately have the same level of sales as standard blu-ray? I think the writing is basically on the wall for physical media. The same is true for music. Streaming is the new dominant force.
Which doesnt mean "it's nothing". It's just a matter of how much of a thing it is. The UHD market will surely continue to grow. Hell, you might end up with a situation like record sales where the people who are still interested in physical media are very discerning leading to a rise in sales of the perceived best format. Records were almost dead, but have seen a decent upswing with CDs sinking lower and lower.
Well your first statement is just factually and objectively false, so I don't know why you insist on spreading misinformation. A 1080p BD is always going to look better than a 4k stream, regardless of the source due to bitrate and streaming compression. Maybe one day they could allow movies to stream at a bitrate that would be comparable, but right now that is certainly not the case.
As for your second point, I brought Dolby Atmos into the discussion because it's another relevant reason why streaming is inadequate? Sound is just as important as PQ when it comes to movies when you have a nice set-up.
The real question is why do those same people spend so much time in fan forums telling enthusiasts how much they don't care.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
The Pro is marketed to people who have a 4K tv. And that's not a enthusiast product either. If you are buying a tv today in say the USA, good chance it's a 4K tv. And they will stream content on that tv. Most won't buy a physical UHD BD.
People who buy the latest refresh or version of a product are not enthusiast, they are consumers.
I have no idea why you would be disappointed that a games console doesn't play UHD BD VHS or toast your bread. I am not disappointed my WII U doesn't play blu ray.
potatohead
Member
Avs just like neogaf is the absolute opposite of market representation.
Of course some people did so but we're not talking ps2 scale dvd adoption
Narpas Sword0
Member
Isn't UHD/4k adoption faster than blu ray/HDTV lol
Musky_Cheese
Banned
And the Xbox one was the best selling console*
Physical is dying to streaming... notice no * needed
The Artisan
Member
thank you. dude seemed hell bent on trying to make me feel miserable just because i didn't agree with him
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Not like they got a choice amirite lols
Tetsujin_MK
Member
Sure hope PS5 or whatever will support UHD BD. Might as well since some games start to reach the limit of 50GB BDs too.
Always loved that PlayStation was a multimedia device. Never owned a standalone DVD or BD player because of that.
Always loved that PlayStation was a multimedia device. Never owned a standalone DVD or BD player because of that.
Narpas Sword0
Member
I mean, what? Pretty sure people who don't care about PQ at all aren't going to buy another 400 dollar system if they already own a ps4, and aren't going to buy the more expensive ps4 if it's their first. I'm a super enthusiast, and if the ps4 pro isn't worth it to me, I'd assume the general public gives absolutely no fucks about it. The wii u argument doesn't even fly really. Nintendo was never the physical media center that ps3/4/xb1s were. Besides that though, I really don't care what the general public buys. To me, Sony released a system that seemed to be aimed at me, a sony fanboy with an expensive HDR 4k display, but I didn't bite due to lack of UHD BD.
And just because neogaf isn't absolutely market representation doesn't make us all irrelevant. You know who cares about 30 fps vs 60 fps? Neogaf. You know who cares a bout 900p vs 1080p vs 2160p? Neogaf. You know who cares about better textures and improved psvr performance? Neogaf. You know who cares about the ps4 pro? Neogaf.
To say, "well you all might care about UHD BD, but you're just neogaf posters!" when you're talking about a console aimed at neogaf posters is really silly.
What you really mean to say is, "I don't care about UHD BD, so none of you should either, and also everyone outside of neogaf who doesn't care about any of this agrees with me."
Musky_Cheese
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Narpas Sword0
Member
People* would rather stream
*People who don't spend $2000+ on their TV and $400 on a second PlayStation because they want 60fps and higher res textures
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Which their TVs will do natively.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
But Sony did, and that's why it was left out
**and the majority don't know what frames per second or resolution are, and wouldn't buy a pro in the first place.
What's your point? We all know this already, doesn't mean it's not a disappointing omission. I could honestly give a fuck less what sony's profit margins look like, because I don't own shares in their business.
My whole point is. If you own a 4k HDR display and you wanted to buy a pro, you got burned. Like me.
Do you own a 4k HDR display? Becuase this thread for the past few months has seemed to me like a bunch of people who don't even own a TV that would benefit from UHD BD arguing about how dumb it is.
Musky_Cheese
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Musky_Cheese
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********😘*** and the majority of people who will buy the pro still won't invest in UHD BD
Narpas Sword0
Member
Why are they passing up the $250 Uncharted 4 Slim bundle for a $400 Pro with no game if they cheaped out on their TV?
Grandma who is still watching DVDs on composite cables on her HDTV is worried about frame pacing in Final Fantasy XV? That's the PS4 Pro target market?
But the pro was marketed to people who have expensive TVs? 4k HDR gaming is pretty fucking useless if you don't have a 4k HDR display.
jungomitis
Member
As someone who wants to wanted to watch Planet Earth II in the best resolution available - I'm disappointed that my PS4 Pro doesn't have a 4K UHD blu-ray support.
But ultimately, I don't think Sony "owes" me anything to support that media platform. If leaving it out meant they felt better about pricing it at $400 - it's a good business decision and they owe it to their shareholders to make good business decisions.
As said numerous times in the thread already, the evidence seems to suggest that buyers of the PS4 Pro, aren't particularly phased by the lack of this feature. (Although I think sales figures haven't been released?)
I think - as weird as the messaging might sound - they marketed the console to "gamers" who have expensive TVs and disregarded movie enthusiasts in their messaging. Whether you agree with the market they decided to target is up to you - but it seems they were experimenting with an incremental hardware updated unprecedented in the game console market and they chose a narrow target audience.
But ultimately, I don't think Sony "owes" me anything to support that media platform. If leaving it out meant they felt better about pricing it at $400 - it's a good business decision and they owe it to their shareholders to make good business decisions.
As said numerous times in the thread already, the evidence seems to suggest that buyers of the PS4 Pro, aren't particularly phased by the lack of this feature. (Although I think sales figures haven't been released?)
I think - as weird as the messaging might sound - they marketed the console to "gamers" who have expensive TVs and disregarded movie enthusiasts in their messaging. Whether you agree with the market they decided to target is up to you - but it seems they were experimenting with an incremental hardware updated unprecedented in the game console market and they chose a narrow target audience.
3rdamention
Member
It will be a price drop at best...And they will continue to do well...
Musky_Cheese
Banned
A Samsung ku 4K tv is expensive? 4K tvs can be cheap, expensive or anywhere in between
I don't know how much more clear one can get in this: nobody cares about what you intended to do or would do. You are not in any way a worthwhile market segment to target.
I'm still wishing that Sony included a UHD drive in the Pro. It would've been the perfect one-two punch for my home theater since I already own PS4 games. Instead now I have to look at the X1S or the Scorpio as my UHD Blu Ray/Gaming option for my home theater, which is annoying because I'll have to buy new games for it. Still believe that Sony fucked up by not including a UHD drive for their self proclaimed 4K device.
Also, there's definitely someone trolling in this thread and it's not Artisan. I'm not sure why certain folks are so uncomfortable with this thread being bumped. If you don't like it, don't read it and don't post in it. Simple.
Also, there's definitely someone trolling in this thread and it's not Artisan. I'm not sure why certain folks are so uncomfortable with this thread being bumped. If you don't like it, don't read it and don't post in it. Simple.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Serious question. You are now I have to buy a Xbox and buy games for that too. Why not just buy a UHD player?
Serious answer. Because I don't want to buy two devices when one can do the job. I don't have the shelf space for two separate devices. Not to mention that a UHD player + console combo will certainly be more expensive and take up more HDMI ports on my AVR.
A Samsung KU is also a subpar TV as far as HDR is concerned, and in no way is a good demonstration of the technology.
That could be the case, or it could not. You don't know any better than I do since sony has not released any sales data on the pro. I would think that they would be singing it to everyone who would listen if the pro was breaking records, but they aren't. But even if that were the case, it doesn't make my opinion irrelevant, or stop me from saying that they dropped the ball. They dropped the ball. Will it matter for there sales? I could not give less of a fuck. But again, to me, they dropped the ball, and I am a sony enthusiast as well as a tech enthusiast who spends thousands of dollars every year on home theater equipment and videogames. Am I a minority? Sure, but I'd argue anyone who cares about increased frames per second and checker board rendering is a minority when compared to the ps4 userbase.
Maybe because an xb1s costs the same as a uhd player? It's be nice to have UHD player that also plays Halo, and other exclusives that non PC users can't access.
Also you never answered my question, do you own a 4k HDR TV? Because a lot of the defense force in here seem to have no firsthand experience with owning one.
I own a quality 4K HDR display. I wanted to buy a Pro. At most I was mildly disappointed by the exclusion of UHD Blu-ray support, shrugged, and bought the Pro anyway. I'm extremely happy with it and honestly, I haven't bought a single Blu-ray since for which there was a UHD variant available at the time.
Planet Earth II is the first release that I'd describe as extremely tempting. Just not tempting enough to run out and buy new hardware. Looking at bitrate numbers I can see why people dis streaming solutions, but actually watching UHD HDR streaming content hasn't disappointed yet. There just isn't enough of it yet, much like UHD HDR physical media. The more I've learned about the source material that's currently being mastered to UHD Blu-ray, the less I worry about what I'm missing.
It is a 4k device. Because focus is on GAMES, not some movies. You should reat the tweet from OP.
4k device doesn't need to have a UHD player. That's a stupid logic.
I can understand this, but as someone who owns a 4k capable PC, 4k games alone isn't worth it, because honestly from my couch, the 1080-4k difference is hard to notice in games. I play all my multiplats at 1440p 60fps. Exclusives would be nice at 4k, but honestly the HDR support on the OG ps4 is awesome, and games like Horizon still look killer.
For movies, HDR is only available on UHD BD, and that resolution bump is much more noticeable.
Why include the ability to play non-game media at all then? Why not go full Nintendo and build a strictly games only console? I'm sorry but that's a poor justification. You've been very active in this thread and I'm not sure what you get out of shilling for Sony in this case.
Sony cheaped out in this regard, plain and simple, while MS is for once actually offering the better bang for the buck.
I put him on my ignore list because he seems like an obvious troll, but he still never answered my question about whether he owns a 4K HDR display or not, because it's really easy to dismiss UHD BD if you don't own a display capable of taking advantage of the tech.
I'm still waiting to see if the Scorpio has 2 HDMI outputs.
an extra one for audio like these other stand alone 4K Bluray players have.
it allows your *older* (1.4 HDMI) Recievers to still output in lossless sound, without losing 4K HDR.
I have a PS4 Pro..and I don't mind purchasing 4K BluRay player that plays games. But I had to opt out of the XboxS because it only had one HDMI output.
So as soon as we find out about Scorpio, then I'll make a decision on what to purchace. Till then I just go to my cousin's house to watch 4K BluRay Content. We're about to watch Planet Earth 2!
an extra one for audio like these other stand alone 4K Bluray players have.
it allows your *older* (1.4 HDMI) Recievers to still output in lossless sound, without losing 4K HDR.
I have a PS4 Pro..and I don't mind purchasing 4K BluRay player that plays games. But I had to opt out of the XboxS because it only had one HDMI output.
So as soon as we find out about Scorpio, then I'll make a decision on what to purchace. Till then I just go to my cousin's house to watch 4K BluRay Content. We're about to watch Planet Earth 2!
Why are you pursuing this angle when the tens of pages of this thread demonstrate that it's untrue? We are here because we're interested in this topic. If you aren't, that's neat for you, but you don't speak for all of us, to the tune of a thread that's been running for months.
Whether or not he's a "worthwhile" market to target, he's the market that Sony chose to target, so satisfying his interests (shared by many of us in this thread) is entirely relevant to this product and its success or failure.
And you aren't active, hm? Oh yes, you are. You trying to push lack of UHD like some big mistake, i'm trying to push it's right decision not to include UHD to stay at 399$.
As i said : it's waaaay better to spend 15$ on more FLOPS than add some UHD and have less FLOPS. It was a right call.
Considering that my prior posts are my first two posts in this thread in nearly half a year, yeah I'd say I'm not obsessed with this thread everytime it's bumped unlike yourself. I can't believe you really have the nerve to call someone out for trolling.
The fact that you're referring to FLOPS as if it's a material resource is quite telling about your expertise on this topic.
This thread is like an ingrown hair on my ass. I don't mind it but every once in a while I have to re-adjust because it's such a pain.
You know what it is what it is. Get over it!
This thread has lost it's purpose a long time ago. Until Sony changes manufacturing or decides to include a 4K drive it is simply a soapbox to to complain and discuss non-related things.
We have threads for TV's and Scorpio and UHD:
"In-depth review of the Samsung KS 8000"
KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag
We even have a thread for you guess it... Planet Earth II Trailer (BBC Documentary)!
Scorpio will use supersampling technology and has a 4K Bluray player
These are all active threads but instead some of you choose to post this thing into existence.
You know what it is what it is. Get over it!
This thread has lost it's purpose a long time ago. Until Sony changes manufacturing or decides to include a 4K drive it is simply a soapbox to to complain and discuss non-related things.
We have threads for TV's and Scorpio and UHD:
"In-depth review of the Samsung KS 8000"
KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag
We even have a thread for you guess it... Planet Earth II Trailer (BBC Documentary)!
Scorpio will use supersampling technology and has a 4K Bluray player
These are all active threads but instead some of you choose to post this thing into existence.
Sure but you still have to acknowledge that the release of the S version led to a significant bump in sales and we don't know what sales would've be like when MS hadn't released the S or if they hadn't included 4k bluray.
Btw. my first post was here about 2 weeks ago. You called me obsessed? How about those who trying to push lack of UHD here constantly, hm? They're not obsessed? Surely, they are the loudest from bunch. Oh, yes, they are cool, right. And you are eypertise? Every FLOPS costs. Be sure that PS4 Pro wouldn't be at 4.2 TFLOPS with UHD drive built-in at 399.