Yea, it doesn't make it clear if they come with the controllers or if there will be a separate bundle that includes the controller available to pre-order later. Or perhaps you purchase them separately?
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Microsoft announces VR motion controllers. $399 VR headset + controllers this holiday
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Yea, it doesn't make it clear if they come with the controllers or if there will be a separate bundle that includes the controller available to pre-order later. Or perhaps you purchase them separately?
Then please don't respond to my post, I was responding to c0de.
This only happened in your imagination. Consider re-reading my posts in this thread.
It's a very unique headset. It's not a me-too device.
It would need lighthouses or something. It cant just "do that" and be accurate
So it's a headset with a Kinect strapped to the front of it... nice!
If there is a 2nd Kinect at the TV scanning you and your controllers, this should work very nicely.
Edit: OH MY, if those two cameras on the headset can create a steroscopic image of the room in front of you (feed one camera into each or your actual eyes), it can recreate your room in 3D with computer generated elements laid over it :O :O :O (VR + Hololense combined into one!)
dangerskew
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I see Microsoft still isn't done copying the Dreamcast.
Edit: Really though, they must be paying Oculus to license their Constellation tracking. The LED layout is too similar to that of Oculus Touch.
Everyone that has used Hololens has said that it's very accurate, so apparently it can just "do that".
GuitarAtomik
Member
It's generally not as accurate as outside cameras but it can still be accurate. It's exactly what Hololens does.
Wowfunhappy
Member
It works well enough for HoloLens. That's in a decent number of people's hands and I've never heard about tracking issues.
Yup, 299 full featured is the pricepoint I expect the market to go crazy for.
Zalusithix
Member
Kinect was a time of flight camera. By all accounts these are stereoscopic cameras only. Other than being cameras that can create depth maps, they're entirely different things.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Just a thought Re: Controllers, if you don't mind spending a bit extra and putting up lighthouses, you could probably still use Vive controllers alongside these headsets. Would still come out to less than the cost of a Vive, and the resolution would be a lot better.
IIRC the Vive wands have to be connected to the Vive HMD.
Iced_Eagle
Member
Nope. Vive controllers only work with the Vive headset. The Vive controllers communicate directly with the Vive headset, which then sends the controller data down the headsets' USB.
Zalusithix
Member
Well they can be run wired too, but that's not exactly a solution to that particular problem lol.
Part of their pitch for Mixed Reality was that instead of thinking about AR vs VR we should be thinking about it as AR and VR and that future hardware will be able to seamlessly do both. With current hardware we probably aren't quite at that point yet, but they stated that is what they are working towards.
In the hands-on article I linked earlier the author mentioned how nice it was to be able to multi-task with different apps pinned to the walls. It was one feature they wished was available on Vive/Rift.
Wowfunhappy
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Oh, actually I think you're right; it's connected to a Bluetooth chip in the Linkbox. Still might be possible if you buy a Linkbox, but it certainly complicates matters.
I'm also pretty sure the Linkbox is still just using standard Bluetooth, but then you're relying on someone to create software that allows a direct connection, which may or may not be complicated.
Agent_ShortBus
Member
Cool there's not enough VR in the world. The more the better.👍
The Minecraft Hololens demo wasn't impressive - it was completely lacking in substance. From a user experience perspective it was a muddy unresponsive jittery tunnel-vision-ridden casual gimmick. The only thing it had going for it was the mixed reality hook, which suckers ate up.
VR is and will continue to be impressive for a long time. Most of that growth will come from software uses.
MS can impress on-stage if they have a legit piece of software. They won't impress if they just have another empty mockup application.
Liliana Eileen
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Sorry, but anyone can respond to anyone. There is no rule that you can only respond when being spoken to, so try to refrain from telling me what to do.
Imagination, yet you were quoted by several people? It's...right there, a few pages back. I see you edited your comment to include topic relevancy but that is irrelevant after the fact.
Zalusithix
Member
Bluetooth is for the lighthouses. Going by the teardowns, the controllers link to the headset itself via a proprietary wireless link provided by a pair of Nordic Semiconductor nRF24LU1P.
Liliana Eileen
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I see Microsoft still isn't done copying the Dreamcast.
Edit: Really though, they must be paying Oculus to license their Constellation tracking. The LED layout is too similar to that of Oculus Touch.
What did that device do? It looks quite intriguing, lol.
MaulerX
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Zalusithix
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MosquitoSmasher
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So will this be enough to play something like Fallout 4 in VR?
Depends which headset I suppose. Hololens worked well - not perfectly stable object teethering, but reliable and very much correct.GuitarAtomik said:
Another headset I tried (full VR) walking 2-3m forward, turn around, walk back I crashed into a real-wall because VR measurements were already out of sync with real world (and I apparently walked too fast for the attendee to catch me).
Liliana Eileen
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I actually remember playing a fishing game (Cabelas?) on dreamcast and didn't even know that existed. Then again, the console was ahead of it's time in many ways
So many good games, Carrier, Jet Set Radio Future, Power Stone 😭Please quote the posts where I "tried to bring console warzzzz in here, got called out by a few people and never answered".
It didn't happen. I don't even know why you're quoting me, and I should probably stop responding.
Pretty sure almost none of those motions can be tracked with only gyros in a 3d space. Yes it remains to be seen how capable they are but it really doesn't look good if the headset cameras are the only thing tracking them
BleedOrange
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It's only going to track the controllers well if you can see your hands ie where the cameras on the headset can capture the controllers - which isn't exactly ideal for a lot of movements and actions. Regardless, for those who can get over the oddities as far as gaming is concerned and assuming they work for a lot of vr titles, the price and compromise are likely reasonable. I'm much keener on high accuracy tracking in all directions after messing with roomscale games thus far, but very much want to keep waiting for better wireless solutions, foveated rendering and better controllers as far as finger and hand gestures go - which none of the complete systems are good enough for yet imo - but thankfully I'm in a postion where I can regularly mess with Rift and Vive, Vive being my favourite with roomscale stuff as I tend to fully embrace that, roll around and dive everywhere pushing the tracking pretty far.
IK never solves these issues as they are never good enough. Plus next to none in the consumer space bother to take your measurements and body structure first.
Maintenance
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I just wish they had released a top notch VR so fanboys would argue "see, it's better than PSVR", after months of saying "meh, VR doesn't matter". A middle of the road one isn't enough.
PackAPunchedMick
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Up there with the ugliest looking vr headsets ever.
Price is on point though.
Price is on point though.
BleedOrange
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Well I'd surmise that they're probably working on a fully-occluded VR headset. It's pretty clear MS is approaching MR as a spectrum, with stuff like the just-announced Windows MR HMDs being the current mainstream, and stuff like non-occluded AR headsets like Hololens being the enterprise solutions. I could see them releasing a prosumer VR headset akin to the Rift/Vive themselves, or they could leave it to the market.
Also, from the specs these do look much better than PSVR already.
Neuromancer
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That's a great price point. Sony should start selling PSVR with 2 Moves at $399 to compete.
What are you expecting when "price is on point" ie "cheaper" for tech that is still not at a point that can be super affordable and high fidelity.
There are still many years to go before you get even reasonable quality VR at a decent price. And no, PSVR is not it either, same as everything out right now. It's moving fast but it will take a long time to scale to a "for the masses" device that actually has the quality to provide excellent fidelity that most would expect. On top of that is the many years ahead for developers actually learning how to properly make good VR games and truly understand how to utilise and develop for the medium.
So, yeah, it will look "ugly" and not be spectacular at a "low" price right now, but this is how these things need to start like any tech that is new
GuitarAtomik
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Microsoft has mainly been pushing these for non-gaming uses. That said, I think it's likely this (and the other Windows headsets) will be Scorpio's VR solution. Maybe one of the other HMDs is better suited for gaming.
I can tell you right now that the tracking won't be as good as lighthouse. It's a question of how much worse it will be in practice.
hanspampel
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just klick the links in the OP
95 degree horizontal field of view
Display refresh rate up to 90 Hz (native)