Miles Quaritch
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I can see them going 500gb to keep costs down.
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Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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I can see them going 500gb to keep costs down.
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Kssio_Aug
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With those "almost dreamlike" Recore screens, I'm pretty sure it's fake too. If that wasn't sarcasm the guy is crazy to think that those screens looks anything good at all. Not to mention Xbox One X doesn't sound too bad but totally lacks creativity.
Although Xbox One does too.
Yeah, and throw Elite controller and a monitor too, plus a one year live and game pass.
geordiemp
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Come on, they tried to not even call it a jaguar, you got to admit the CPU spin was bloody magnificent, dont give me that whiter than white stuff, I am too old to be that gullible.
They clarified the situation, after the PR bull thats fessing up in my book, but call it what you want.
It is improved, they upped the clock and spun some PR to confuse and make it sound sexier than a 2.3 Ghz Jaguar.
Karspankey
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Isn't Recore on PC anyways? It would be incredibly easy to just take a 4K screenshot of that if you wanted to attempt to start rumors.
Shpeshal Nick
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Man you're putting in work.
Kssio_Aug
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Yup. But even worse than that is that the screens are fucking horrible. I'm calling it fake too... we will see though.
And this. You're right... it wouldn't work.
It would be a difficult name to market from a clarity and product distinction perspective. I think Microsoft legal would have nightmares about thousands of grandparents trying to order an "Xbox One S" or an "Xbox One X" over the phone and being shipped the opposite console.
I am? For what?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Ensuring no one gets too excited for Scorpio. Because you know, god forbid.
MosquitoSmasher
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Haha good point. Who even started the X rumor?
LukasTaves
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I'm not arguing that the cpu is not a jaguar, I'm arguing they may have made more of the cpu available to games.
People should be excited. I'm excited.
But people should be excited for reality, not fantasy.
Yeah :/
Got 4TB external HDD connected to my Xbox, about 90% used and over 200 games ready to install. Life is rough...
No Fable confirmed.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
So let them be disappointed then.
...why? I don't understand this line of thinking.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Because ultimately, people are excited for an Xbox console being the most powerful console on the market and being able to play their games at a level of reasonably high quality.
I don't see why some are so compelled to throw a wet blanket over it all the time. It wasn't enough the Xbox One was being shit on for the first 3 years of this gen for a multitude of reasons - power being at the forefront, but now we need to downplay the powerful version too?
No one seemed to have an issue talking up the PS4 advantage over the Xbox One despite the differences in most cases not being overly noticeable to most.
Liabe Brave
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It had nothing to do with the screenshot, which was of lower settings. It had to be figured out by different means. But my point wasn't that it required crackerjack investigative journaliam. My point was that what they told Digital Foundry was false in at least one respect. Since they weren't 100% accurate, we can't confidently assume the truth of the rest.
As pointed out, the DX12 interpreter is in prior Xbox Ones as well, and doesn't seem to do much to close the paper gap to standard PS4. The audio block is improved by firmware only; the prior Xbox Ones will be getting the new features too. And besides, the same block is in all PS4s as well.
For you to justifiably say this, you would have to know categorically that Scorpio will have a higher performance gap. So what's your source for that fact?
ScepticMatt
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MosquitoSmasher
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Yeah it doesn't make sense. If X and Box had been separate words then yes.
I'm not downplaying anything, i'm simply stating a fact. How that fact makes people feel is irrelevant.
So what's your source for that fact?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I'm just talking generally man. You just seem to always be there to make sure no one thinks this thing is better than it is (or could be).
Don't you find it exhausting?
Do I find posting on a message board exhausting? Not generally, or I wouldn't do it.
Don't you find attacking people simply trying to contribute information to a discussion exhausting?
MosquitoSmasher
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Some people on Reddit now saying Battlefront II at native 4K/60fps is most definitely at low settings. Wouldn't that be a bit disappointing? If true, I really hope Dice gives up options. Give up both 1080p and checkerboard 4K too, why not?
I don't see it being talked about, but I was wondering what Scorpio might be capable of in terms of tessellation.
I don't think it was mentioned in the Digital Foundry article. Perhaps that is something already inherent with Polaris, and/or maybe tessellation capabilities are boosted from the custom silicon added to Scorpio's GPU, the DX12 command processor upgrades, etc. I don't know enough about these things so maybe the command processor has nothing to do with tessellation.
Edit:
I know Microsoft added DX12 support to Xbox One well over a year ago (maybe 2) but AFAIK, Xbox One GPU was designed before DX12 / D3D12 was final, so... I'm not sure.
All I know is that Scorpio's GPU being made years after Xbox One GPU, is obviously going to have newer capabilities.
I also know hardware tessellation has been there since DX11, however there's never much made of either PS4 or Xbox One making use of it, even if they do.
I'm sure it's expensive in terms of performance. Can someone provide some insight?
I don't think it was mentioned in the Digital Foundry article. Perhaps that is something already inherent with Polaris, and/or maybe tessellation capabilities are boosted from the custom silicon added to Scorpio's GPU, the DX12 command processor upgrades, etc. I don't know enough about these things so maybe the command processor has nothing to do with tessellation.
Edit:
I know Microsoft added DX12 support to Xbox One well over a year ago (maybe 2) but AFAIK, Xbox One GPU was designed before DX12 / D3D12 was final, so... I'm not sure.
All I know is that Scorpio's GPU being made years after Xbox One GPU, is obviously going to have newer capabilities.
I also know hardware tessellation has been there since DX11, however there's never much made of either PS4 or Xbox One making use of it, even if they do.
I'm sure it's expensive in terms of performance. Can someone provide some insight?
hanspampel
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ofc that is not tue.
low setting are not even used by regular Ps4 or Xbox One
that is just for very weak PCs
i'm not aware of any multiplatform game on Ps4 or Xbox One, that is not using at least medium or high settings from Digital Foundry coverage
so yeah. they will surely start to do with the most powerful console.
don't expect ultra maybe, but high is reasonable
MosquitoSmasher
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Good to know. I responded to the person and said I doubted that. He said it would me medium at best.
Kssio_Aug
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Since these games need to run decently on XB1 as well, I wouldn't be surprised. But, it depends... what would be the settings for the regular console?
We will have to wait and see. But yeah, between lowest settings at 4k, they better give better graphical effects on 1080p option. They may provide it though.
Battlefront 2 isn't released yet, so we don't really know. Or there are info about it already?
LukasTaves
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The Screenshoot said EQ2x for the game at 4k, and lichard said that when they tunned it to ultra increased to EQ4x. That was information given to him that Richard passed along, I'm not sure where you are getting that they tried to hide anything.
Not the same block, the audio block of xbox was designed by MS, and will handle even positional audio required for VR/AR and Dolby Atmos, while on Ps4 and Pro they needed the breakout box.
Edit: And the dx12 block is not the same as xbone, Ms explicitly that draw calls still takes a significant CPU time on Xbone and on scorpio it's essentially freeing the cpu of that task.
hanspampel
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Battlefront 1 and common sense is enough
there is just no way any developer would use LOW textures for a console game
and especially not low textures for a game in 4k
what do we even discuss here?
OdysseusVA
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People still riding Matt's jock? lol
Kssio_Aug
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DF about Mafia 3:
We always start our PC optimisation efforts by studying the console versions, to see the trade-offs and compromises the developer made in tailoring their engines to resource-limited hardware. The surprise is that Mafia 3 on console runs at low settings across the board, and lower than PC's bottom rung in areas such as grass draw.
The older the consoles are, the bigger the chance they can be set to low settings. Or just to avoid it, in very poor resolutions.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
If you want to call pointing out the frequency with which you try to "correct" people attacking, then no, because I'm not doing it often enough.
To be fair I've noticed his negativity towards Scorpio as well and I could give a shit..but yeah it's definitely a thing.
BLAUcopter
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The negativity will be out in force the day it's shown at E3 don't you worry about that. It's going to be scrutinised to death especially here.
In MS in general. I see quite a bit also.
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Hawk269
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That is a given though. It could print out $100.00 bills instead of achievements and people would still find something to complain about. It is a forum after all and there are people on both sides and in the middle and things will get messy.
I do hope (yeah I know I am dreaming) that those that are genuinely excited for it and want to talk about it in a civil manner won't be attacked just because they like something that has the name MS on it. I know that is "pipe dream" but I think there will be people very pleased with it and it would be a shame that they cannot come here and talk about it without being dragged down into a console war fight.
No negativity towards Scorpio here. Again saying that the Scorpio CPU isn't a giant leap over the Pro's isn't positive or negative, it's just a fact. I'm getting a Scorpio the day it comes out, and it will instantly become my most played system.
As for MS in general, I have no negativity there. There are some decisions they have made this gen that I don't agree with or wish were different (even if I recognize the business realities of said decisions), but I have a long gaming history with MS and wish them nothing but success, as that is better for the games industry as a whole. They have also made some good, forward thinking decisions that I support.
What have I don't that is overly negative?
Really hoping $449 isn't true. That puts it at about £399 which when you consider the big Xbox One S bundles with multiple games and a pad for 220 it just looks stupid to most - double the price to play the same games is going to be a hard sell.
Microsoft have to go aggressive on the pricing this time to avoid the mistakes they made at the beginnning of this gen.
hanspampel
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wow didn't know about that
good to know
so no buy for Mafia 3 even at $10 bargin price (beside all the other issues, the game has)
NowhereFaded
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Day zero if true !
The only way you can see Matt's posts as inherently negative about Scorpio is to start from the assumption that it's something that it isn't. He's been pretty consistent about acknowledging and being legitimately excited about the concrete benefits that it will enable, and similarly consistent in calling out misguided interpretations of the available information. Plenty of marketing statements are deliberately ambiguous to encourage the most favorable possible interpretation. Weighing in with an informed interpretation assessing the likely reality is absolutely a service to this community.
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