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Microsoft Studios (& Partners) Current and Future Landscape
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ah yeah forgot this somehow^^
RedSparrows
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Becauxe they didnt think it would be good i guess. By your logic they did it just to piss you off.
MS presumably have a bunch of stuff stll pottering away in the background, but they are not generating the excitement, even as I cannot stand this reductive 'i love games but there aren't enoug games therefore those games that do exist are irrelevant and who in earth could ever enjoy them?'.
PanicFreak
Member
Yup. We have plenty of room for Recore: Definitive Version too. We don't even need to collapse it to Recore DE or something like that.
Nightengale
Member
I get why they do it, if you factor in the rising cost of making games and the fact Rare isn't that massive a studio, it's less risky to focus on doing one thing well.
Or maybe it's more risky to put all your eggs in one basket, particularly with a sort of game Rare haven't done before?
Anyway, I agree that Sea of Thieves looks good, I was cool on it at first but that E3 demo was impressive. I'm a Rare fan and I hope it's a success for them, but it's been a long time since a new Rare game has excited me..
AyraSutoraifu
Member
It's almost that they are backing out. Or settling indefinitely for a second/third place. If your 1st party software is dwindeling like this for years, man, something is really wrong.
It still is under Chris Charla remit so and ID title.
Well if CFO and CEO won't give a division capital to invest there isn't a lot you can do as the head of the divsion.
Yearsoflurking
Member
yup and this is why presumably Minecraft/mixer/gamepass were bought/created.
Man, the landscape really is as dire as we thought. Next year that list of announces will probably get even shorter...Halo 6, Forza Horizon 3, and ???
Such a shame. I believe MS has spent the last few years building the beat "platform" in gaming... From the services, features, hardware, consumer options, etc. they have really knocked it out of the part. Unfortunately, they've forgotten about the games side of the equation.
Such a shame. I believe MS has spent the last few years building the beat "platform" in gaming... From the services, features, hardware, consumer options, etc. they have really knocked it out of the part. Unfortunately, they've forgotten about the games side of the equation.
They sorta used to be in the 90's and 2000's before Xbox. Apart from the PC/Mac and Gameboy games they also managed to get Age of Empires 2 on the PS2 with M/KB support.
I don't even think that's true. Their strongest title that can perform is Forza. Gears and Halo imo would face a lot of competition.
Times have changed, and so should MS. Imagine if they didn't piss off Bungie, they would have Destiny and maintained another decade of fps dominance.
Wish they had doubled down on games and studios and left the hardware until the next generation.
Whats the story behind this? I didn't know Bungie was pissed off with MS at any point
That's the thing though, we didn't even see AA investments like ReCore this year.
There's not having a budget, and flat out not investing anything. After yesterday, I don't see how anyone can still think it's the first option. One of the titles we've already been waiting years for has now been pushed back to 2018, and is the only sign of a lineup past this year.
I'm really starting to believe MS is either on their way out or planning on doing something entirely different than traditionally.
But looking at that chart and comparing it to Sonys? Doesn't matter what they are doing anymore, there's no defending that.
Piss-off is the wrong word here, but clearly they didn't want to work on Halo for the rest of their lives like we assume MS wanted them to.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
According to VentureBeat, Microsoft is publishing that arena game with the cringey shoutcaster, The Darwin Project
https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/11/...game-the-darwin-project-as-an-xbox-exclusive/
So Forza 7, Ori 2, Darwin Project, Super Lucky's Tale were the announced games
It is not timed
https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/11/...game-the-darwin-project-as-an-xbox-exclusive/
So Forza 7, Ori 2, Darwin Project, Super Lucky's Tale were the announced games
It is not timed
PanicFreak
Member
Then they should sell the business. There is a minimum level of software investment needed to support a platform as a platform holder and they haven't proven that they are willing to meet that.
RedSparrows
Member
Bungie wanted to spread its wings, went and made Destiny, MS passed on it. Not sure Bungie were pissed off, but might have missed something.
Ah gotcha. I thought there has been a feud or something with animosity. Glad it wasn't that.
Thanks. I hadn't known that Bungie went to MS with Destiny and it was passed on.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
What game is he talking about?
Poodlestrike
Banned
I think Darwin is what Project Knoxville (the winner of the Press Play poll) got turned into. The shout caster was terrible, but the actual game looked intriguing.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Ya I agree. It wasn't anything against him, I just dislike shoutcaster's in general haha.
But ya, that's definitely what Press Play was trying to do with Project Knoxville. Guess MS kept the rights to it and thought it would be cheaper to develop it with another partner (I really liked Press Play
.... )If they had 8 studios all with multiple production teams so were working on at any one time 10-16 games internally and invested through Global publishing avg. of showing two per year. Then the perception problem wouldn't be there.
The traditional MS idea of one studio works on one franchise has failed and now they have to evolve that is where MS is at. They need to create and purchase studios as well. Its an expensive multi dimensional chess game which needs to be fixed by 2020-21 forwhen Xbox Two hits.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Supposedly it has cost a pretty penny so far according to some insiders here. People should be hoping it does well otherwise Rare might be in trouble. If Lionhead was not safe then they are not either.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Yeah, it's super weird. Press Play was a consistent source of solid midtier titles for them. Never even heard of Scavengers Studio.Ya I agree. It wasn't anything against him, I just dislike shoutcaster's in general haha.
But ya, that's definitely what Press Play was trying to do with Project Knoxville. Guess MS kept the rights to it and thought it would be cheaper to develop it with another partner (I really liked Press Play
PanicFreak
Member
If i were a betting man, and I am, I would bet that The Darwin Project is led by former Press Play people and that game is basically Prject Knoxville. There was also a game where you were digging gold and killing monsters that looked very similar to Press Play's Dwarves concept.
Man.
Did anyone even once think that Xbox first party would look so dire after E3? I still can't believe it. I'm pissed off all over again!
The fact that they let another E3 come by, this time while they are launching new hardware, and still did absolutely nothing to address their first party concerns, says to me they aren't about to do any of that.
The biggest crowd reaction from the whole conference was for Original Xbox Backwards Compatibility. Let that sink in for a second.
They most hyped game coming out of a MS conference was Anthem, a third party title. Let that sink in for a second.
There's no more benefit of the doubt here.
It's a Console Launch Exclusive, so they aren't publishing it.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Poking around a little, Deep Rock Galactic got announced late last year for Steam early access, so that one might be a coincidence.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Microsoft can still publish console launch exclusives you know. Tomb Raider and DR4 say hi.
Outrun
Member
I saw quite a few games that would justify my investment in the X.
Forza 7
ORI
Sea of Thieves
Cuphead
That's just me. Add the 3rd party games and I am good.
That's not a traditional Microsoft idea, that's the reality of the games industry at present - very few studios seem to work on more than one series, or more than one game, over a period of five years or a decade.
Xbox definitely needs more studios though and I would rather they try to build them than buy them. Build a studio in Japan. Team Dakota, whatever happened to them?
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Yes Ghost Ship Games was formed in 2016 in Copenhagen Denmark (where Press Play was), so without poking around too much I would assume they are ex staff. And yep that concept is Project Dwarves. It's amazing how all of their concepts are now in development at three different studios.
Project Karoo is now called Pioneers and in dev at Flashbulb, Project Dwarves is Deep Rock Galactic, and Project Knoxville is Darwin Project
PanicFreak
Member
I generally agree but I am a dad with one kid and two on the way so I'm lucky if I can beat one game a month. If I were a 20 year old gamer with oodles of time, I'm not so sure.
Games and Studios take a time to build say they started creating incubation teams with the desire to turn to Studios that takes a minimum of 3 -5 years to do. If we go down the purchasing of studios it would take time as well to do that. So from 2015 when Xbox s and X projects went forward that would still be 2018-20.
I will say Sony doesn't have as much first party either. They have a lot of 2nd party relationships and games that are third party that will never hit the Xbox.
Really curious what they show, because I can easily wait to get a X next year, and use this time to finally grab a PlayStation.
Really curious what they show, because I can easily wait to get a X next year, and use this time to finally grab a PlayStation.
My annual Xbox first-party (+ lifetime/major 3rd-party timed exclusive) chart that looks specifically at the announcement line-ups, updated with the latest E3 announcements.
Xbox FP 2017 in summary? The emperor has no clothes.
That's embarrassing. MS 1st party is in abysmal shape. I have an Xbone and there's basically nothing, aside from State of Decay 2 which looked rough as hell, I'm not going to be playing on my PS4.
Here.
Nice list. To confirm, this is just stuff announced at E3 and nothing else right? (I know there's a ton of games missing but think they weren't announced at E3). You're also missing World of Final Fantasy under E3 2015 unless you're excluding it for a reason I'm not aware of (Vita version?)
Darwin Project was announced months ago
http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/03/09/pax-east-2017-the-darwin-project-hunger-games-meets-twitch
Microsoft doesn't seem to be publishing it and Super Lucky's Tale in the traditional sense (IE: Investing money and resources into it from the start) just that they are chipping in to get those games on their platform.
http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/03/09/pax-east-2017-the-darwin-project-hunger-games-meets-twitch
Microsoft doesn't seem to be publishing it and Super Lucky's Tale in the traditional sense (IE: Investing money and resources into it from the start) just that they are chipping in to get those games on their platform.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Huh, shows what I know.
(looks like Pioneers is now being called Trailmakers BTW)
If MS was partnered with all of them it'd look more like they split Press Play up than closed them. Weird stuff.
semiconscious
Member
Nightengale
Member
No, these are announcements made throughout an entire year.
Normally most of MS's announcement are just at E3, but Sony has 2-3 events per year.
As for why WoFF is excluded, if I were to include every single game announced the list would be too long, so I made my own creative decision to limit the number of 3rd-party games included. Only those that are major/lifetime exclusive/etc.
illmatic22
Banned
Very underwhelmingMy annual Xbox first-party (+ lifetime/major 3rd-party timed exclusive) chart that looks specifically at the announcement line-ups, updated with the latest E3 announcements.
Xbox FP 2017 in summary? The emperor has no clothes.