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[Inuhanyou]

The problem with this gen is the typically to my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, but consoles have launched with superior specs to PCs in the past and then PCs eventually become the more powerful units (duh). This gen, consoles launched far behind PCs. So these consoles were dated from launch.

PSX, N64 and such were not stronger than PC's at the time, neither was Genesis, SNES, many consoles you could point to at their respective time periods. Its a fake narrative.

Consoles are what they are, and like always, devs adapt to using them to their best ability until the next cycle.

 

[-Amon-]

if there's nothin but broken records in the room I'm not even gonna turn on the record player

What is a record player ?

 

[jon bones]

Platform wars bring out the worst in people

it really boggles the mind how personal people take them

grown men with actual corporate fanboyism in 2017

i really, really don't understand it at all

 

[Huge Succeeded]

What is a record player ?

turntable, phonograph, what have you. I don't know shit about playing vinyls lol

 

[Giftofgab24]

Console are not as powerful as PCs. In other news, water is wet and bears can outrun humans.

Only as far as speed goes. We got them beat with stamina. So if a bear is ever chasing you......serpentine!

 

[Huge Succeeded]

What are some examples of PC exclusives today that really take advantage of the latest hardware, and would otherwise not be possible on consoles? (I'm genuinely curious, I don't follow the PC side of things too often).

The impression I get from the outside looking in is that the extra horsepower is used for higher framerates and resolutions.

ARMA 3
Tabletop Simulator
Civilization V

Three games I've spent more time on in the last half year than I've ever spent in an AAA game that wasn't Fallout/Elder Scrolls/Breath
The kinds of games that have me wondering why console gamers think PC gamers care so much about the AAA games that define the console space
Games that are possible because of PC hardware differences/advantages beyond just graphics

 

[Real_Madrid]

Where are you getting that from? Who's trying to convince you to buy a gaming PC?

oh yeah, this is the part of 'Thread That Mentions PC' where people just make shit up to justify their past present and future elitism bitching, almost forgot how it goes

Well, I mean, if we would get these threads without posts like for example by Roches (top of the previous page), people would not be saying that.
I'm platform agnostic, but boy, do I hate those kinds of elitists posts.

 

[EventHorizon]

Lame argument. PS4s only affect PC games because the PC market isn't big enough for those game to stand on their on. For example the Wii U didn't hold back PS3/360 games because PS3/360 developers didn't need the Wii U market. In short, PCs should be thanking consoles because without them many of those games wouldn't exist at all.

 

[Portugeezer]

Yeah PC needs consoles to push forward gaming because we don't get many games like Crysis anymore.

 

[jonscrambler]

consoles not powerful enough is why we have PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, why else would they exist? are people against them now?

 

[GodOfVG103]

Nintendo has delivered classics on weak hardware over and over.

No excuses, devs are just not that creative anymore.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

Well, I mean, if we would get these threads without posts like for example by Roches (top of the previous page), people would not be saying that.
I'm platform agnostic, but boy, do I hate those kinds of elitists posts.

'slideshow'
so much elitism

I'm sorry. This is what I mean. Dude called 30fps a slideshow.
That's all it takes for some of ya.
If you held console gamers to the same standards, you'd think half the board were elitist every time you walked into a Digital Foundry thread last year. but you don't, nobody does, because elitism is solely a convenient talking point used to disparage the PC community and downplay their personal preferences, as the phrase is most commonly used on GAF.

edit: okay I'm being a little heavy-handed

it just sucks
scroll up for example
see the last post I made?
I half-expect someone to call me elitist for that shit or otherwise consider that post to be 'elitist'. why? not because that post deserves it, just because it's par for the course. someone's gonna read that and insinuate conveniently that I'm shitting on AAA games or some other bullshit. because that's exactly how it goes.

 

[Suzushiiro]

I am reminded of the comment by CD Projekt basically saying they could have made the Witcher 3 look a lot better by keeping it exclusive to PCs but then they wouldn't have had the install base to even fund the game to look that good

Pretty much- you'll also note that the overwhelming majority of PC-exclusive games are significantly less technically impressive than the PC games that are "held back by consoles" because those have to scale down to machines that are even weaker than consoles.

Basically, budget is becoming more of a limiting factor for visuals than tech. That's a big reason why console generations have gotten so much longer in the first place.

 

[Stevey]

Lame argument. PS4s only affect PC games because the PC market isn't big enough for those game to stand on their on. For example the Wii U didn't hold back PS3/360 games because PS3/360 developers didn't need the Wii U market. In short, PCs should be thanking consoles because without them many of those games wouldn't exist at all.

My PC cant thank anything it's an inanimate object.

 

[Bolivar687]

That quote kinda comes out of nowhere in the article.

I'm not convinced we'd have all different games. More horsepower would lead to longer and more expensive development, increasing homogenization, focus testing, and mock reviews in an industry that's too expensive to fail.

 

[Brunire]

Until a powerful computer can be had for console prices, this will be the reality of the situation. The group of people willing to buy great computer components will always be a very small fraction of the population.

 

[Real_Madrid]

'slideshow'

SO

MUCH

ELITISM

It's stupid and unnecessary.

 

[WhatNXt]

While I appreciate what he's saying from a certain point of view, it's a shame the article - which is largely comprised of him gushing about his "passion" to do innovative things in an often stale AAA space - has been reduced to this thread title.

Great things have been achieved within the confines of restricted eco systems and power envelopes, and quite often creative, fun solutions are borne out of necessity in game development. With the right idea you should be able to make a fun, unmissable experience with flat shaded polygons or some kind of pixel art. Regardless of whether more power would allow developers to (more carelessly?) do more, more quickly or easily, with all of the current consoles - there is an audience that simply can't be ignored. The market will dictate when these consoles have eked out their potential. Call me when there's an important, fun new game that just can't be done in any other way.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

I mean, holding them back in terms of what, exactly?

Just looking at Sony's exclusives they look a lot better than most PC games I've seen. Uncharted 4, Horizon and their upcoming games look mindblowing and after playing the former two and seeing gameplay for God of War and Spider-Man I'm struggling to see how these consoles are necessary to scrap and start a new gen.

 

[test_account]

That quote kinda comes out of nowhere in the article.

Yeah, is there any more context to it? Why would he point to PS4 when the game is also comming on Xbox, which is even weaker? And in the next sentence he mention "consoles", not "console".

 

[Tain]

What are some examples of PC exclusives today that really take advantage of the latest hardware, and would otherwise not be possible on consoles? (I'm genuinely curious, I don't follow the PC side of things too often).

The impression I get from the outside looking in is that the extra horsepower is used for higher framerates and resolutions.

Robo Recall

 

[Budi]

What is a record player ?

 

[RedRumy3]

I mean it has old tech in it but I wouldn't say it's holding devs back.

I thought Horizon Zero Dawn looked pretty amazing. I own a PS4 just for exclusives and It takes a little to adjust going from 165hz to 30 frames but Horizon ZD was just amazing. Everything about it was just amazing and thought it played pretty smooth @ 30 frames.


You can build a pretty nice PC for around 800-900$ but most people aren't going to spend that much and rather just pay $250 for PS4 / 400$ on PS4 Pro.


Now the XBox One X if they swapped out that cpu I think it would of been a killer machine but the price would of probably been much higher.

Platform discussions is always hard to discuss without fighting lol

 

[Inuhanyou]

it really boggles the mind how personal people take them

grown men with actual corporate fanboyism in 2017

i really, really don't understand it at all

Whether its cheer-leading the console publishers or extolling the virtues of PC onto the plebs, its shitty to watch IMO

 

[test_account]

My PC cant thank anything it's an inanimate object.

Then program it to say thank you, its possible.

 

[KageMaru]

What games do you think look better than Horizon ZD or Uncharted 4 on pc right now? The games on my oled with hdr/ps4 Pro looks absolutely bonkers.

I'm always hesitant to compare games games from different franchises since views are always subjective. However when broken down and viewed objectively, I think games like Witcher 3, Doom, Crysis 3, and I'm sure others I'm forgetting compare favorably to Uncharted and Horizon, especially at higher resolutions and framerates.

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What is there on PC that's released that looks better? Crysis still looks better on a high end rig in certain areas, but I wouldn't say overall. What else is there? Star Citizen is definitely pushing the boundaries, but it's not out for at least a couple more years. By then I'm pretty positive that there will be a new best looking game on consoles.

Basically, without consoles to subsidize development we would all be playing a lot less games. PC only gamers should be thankful there's a healthy console community. You think you would be getting any AAA games at all if there wasn't 100 million consoles out there that could play them?

I never said that we would be getting near the same amount of AAA games without consoles.

 

[NeonBlack]

What are some examples of PC exclusives today that really take advantage of the latest hardware, and would otherwise not be possible on consoles? (I'm genuinely curious, I don't follow the PC side of things too often).

The impression I get from the outside looking in is that the extra horsepower is used for higher framerates and resolutions.

You can get higher textures, better lighting, anti-aliasing, and etc along with the performance boost mentioned. But it would be financial suicide to just make a PC game with the budget of these AAA games.

it really boggles the mind how personal people take them

grown men with actual corporate fanboyism in 2017

i really, really don't understand it at all

Go Patriots!!!!

 

[Replicant]

I clicked on the article expecting to see this super-awesome looking game. But instead what I got is another run-of-the-mill adventure game with so-so graphic.

Meanwhile, I've seen better-looking games on current consoles so I don't think it's the power that's holding his game back.

 

[thelastword]

A niche game with over 1.8 million backers and more than $150 million in funds raised? Are you serious? Do you remember the initial pitch video of Star Citizen?

https://youtu.be/w7FUx6JHuMk

The game's whole pitch was based on it being designed for high-end PC hardware of the time (a 680) and not being limited by consoles. They have raised $150 million and the full game isn't even out yet.

Yes it's niche, you know how many people have backed out of Star Citizen funding....Also, if you believe this game is gonna be a sale's juggernaut or a massively populated playground, I think you will be sorely disappointed...The type of gameplay SC wants to ring in here, especially with it's piecemeal content is very niche indeed...


Anyway, I would like to see a few devs develop games solely for high end PC...instead of talking about not having enough power on consoles, go create those games that cannot be done on consoles...I wish they would put their money where their mouth is...

 

[-Amon-]

I'm not native English, always called them turntables, sorry.

 

[Stevey]

Then program it to say thank you, its possible.

Lol, I remember making my Amiga talk

 

[Sulik2]

Five years was and will always continue to be the right time to launch consoles. The tech gets limiting at 5 years and 5 years is when tech has progressed enough to launch a new console with a big power jump. This industries biggest mistake the last decade has been getting away from the five year cycle.

 

[jon bones]

Whether its cheer-leading the console publishers or extolling the virtues of PC onto the plebs, its shitty to watch IMO

agreed

there are great games on all platforms, and each platform has it's own strengths.

i mean hell, now more than ever we have it all:

-consoles with great exclusive games and a high level of accessibility
-powerful AND cheap PC cards like the 1070
-a powerful handheld capable of playing AAA games on the go

best time to be playing video games, folks. no need to be a dick to others.

I'm not native English, always called them turntables, sorry.

we call them turntables in America, too

Go Patriots!!!!

sports are totally different - they are intentionally set up to be regional rivalries, with the best teams competing for a championship

Spoiler

fuck the Pats for real

 

[maniac-kun]

At this point in time of the PS3 I was disappointed. My PS4 is still doing great. No complaints.

 

[-Amon-]

agreed

there are great games on all platforms, and each platform has it's own strengths.

i mean hell, now more than ever we have it all:

-consoles with great exclusive games and a high level of accessibility
-powerful AND cheap PC cards like the 1070
-a powerful handheld capable of playing AAA games on the go

best time to be playing video games, folks. no need to be a dick to others.

Indeed it is.

Amen to that.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Pretty much- you'll also note that the overwhelming majority of PC-exclusive games are significantly less technically impressive than the PC games that are "held back by consoles" because those have to scale down to machines that are even weaker than consoles.

Basically, budget is becoming more of a limiting factor for visuals than tech. That's a big reason why console generations have gotten so much longer in the first place.

This is another good point that i think gets lost in the bickering. PC has its own limitations which is why many devs in cross platform development have latched onto the consoles as a baseline instead of the lowest common denominator PC.

Its not as simple as PC's being better for development or consoles being better. They both are important, especially for developers who need both userbases

Of course sometimes it won't turn out well like Crytek, which had to destroy what Crysis was to fit on 360 and PS3 with Crysis 2 and 3, but most developers who are working on bigger budget games have found a good balance and compromise

 

[mcrommert]

I'm interested in the advancements in AI and level manipulation that current CPUs arent capable of.

I'm interested in sentient ai and ftl travel

Time still moves the same

 

[katsais]

Then Xbox One X must a be like a 4 year old PC holding developers back.

Boom.

A console is an outdated PC, color me surprised (no pun intended, I game on console).

 

[Crash331]

Wow, every single article here reads like a 7 year old wrote it. This is kinda amazing.

https://techstunt.com/author/lisa/

 

[LumpOfCole]

I have a PC with a 980Ti and a launch PS4. Horizon on that launch PS4 is one of the best looking games I've ever played. I can't even imagine it on 4K with HDR. I have to imagine the PS4 Pro is fine hardware for 2017.

 

[Two Words]

I like Brothers, but this guy kind of sounds like a dick. Or he's talking out of his ass. And that's not entirely in reference to the PS4 comment, but reading the whole engadget article.

I mean, respect for him putting together a studio from nothing and making some sweet games, though. He just seems a little full of himself.

How is he full of himself? The dude is jumping into game development and succeeding. The dude is just a passionate guy.

 

[99Luffy]

I like that the consoles are holding PCs back.
Low console specs = 60fps gaming on midrange PCs.

Hell we already got people crying 'unoptimized, lazy port!!' when an xbox one game doesnt hit 60fps on PC. Imagine if it had higher specs...

 

[gundamkyoukai]

This is another good point that i think gets lost in the bickering. PC has its own limitations which is why many devs in cross platform development have latched onto the consoles as a baseline instead of the lowest common denominator PC.

Its not as simple as PC's being better for development or consoles being better. They both are important, especially for developers who need both userbases

Of course sometimes it won't turn out well like Crytek, which had to destroy what Crysis was to fit on 360 and PS3 with Crysis 2 and 3, but most developers who are working on bigger budget games have found a good balance and compromise

I mean we have gotten to point where budget hold back anything more than hardware .
Come next gen it going to be even more so .

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

This i5 2500k has been the best money I ever spent on a CPU.

 

[v1lla21]

Holding them back from making more remasters and remakes?
This is probably just me but this gen has been pretty shit.

 

[R_thanatos]

lol @ calling Uncharted 4 and Horizon "slideshows"... SMH




Exactly.

Consoles aren't holding devs back. Devs are free to make the biggest, meanest, most demanding games for PC only... but then they won't have the sales to justify their budget.

Yep @ the bolded .. Not everyone has a pc that can sustain insane graphics.

Actually consoles are holding the develloppers from going too far so that they would be able to make a product that would be enjoyed by the largest group of players.
Not to mention that optimisation techniques used on consoles are helpfull for the industry as a whole

 

[7roject28]

"If consoles were as powerful as PC's today"

That doesn't even make sense. As powerful as the most powerful PC? As powerful as a mid tier PC? As powerful as a low tier PC? They still make all those tiers of PCs today. And that is what it looks like consoles are doing now.

 

[Budi]

I'm not native English, always called them turntables, sorry.

Ooooh, me neither. Record player and turntable isn't exactly the same thing either. Record player has built in speakers.

 

[Mass Effect]

And if consoles were as powerful as PCs today there would be nobody to buy your games because nobody* would be able to afford a fucking console.

 

[slit]

Of course that is how it is. That's how the console business operates. Can you imagine how much the big 3 would mess up their business trying to keep up with the latest PC tech.