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Aaron Greenberg: "there are a lot" of big unannounced Xbox games.
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Because banjo was released last gen and it was awful.
Simple, don't make it a Lego car game. Give people what they want.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
But then it would just be a ten minute show of a bunch of sequels and soon-to-be-cancelled games.
Did I do that right?
Seriously though, I dont get all the doom and gloom here. Do people really believe Microsoft has nothing they havent revealed yet?
What the people want =/= what MS wants, which is MIcrotransactions and Subscriptions.
How do you make a Banjo game with those parameters
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Banjo multiplayer with hats. Tack that onto a robust single player mode.
Unless I'm mistaken Super Lucky's Tale doesn't have any of that. I agree though, If Microsoft still is under the impression that Banjo has to be reinvented to get a new game then it's not happening.
Sunset Samurai
Member
And I'll happily play them all 🤷🏽*♂️
Bits N Pieces
Member
Poor Ori and Super Lucky :'(
Sunset Samurai
Member
Yup
"Stop announcing games so early!"
"Ok we've decided to hold off on announcements until they're at least 1yr away from launch
"Ugh stupid Microsoft where's the games!"
Nightengale
Member
Let's avoid being hyperbolic. No one seriously believes that. If they are, they're idiots.
Any publisher signs and invest in games that are anywhere 2-5 years out. MS, Sony, Nintendo, EA, Ubisoft... all of them have a certain level of awareness of what their game portfolio will look like half a decade from now, much less than next 2 years.
However, I do have concerns what what MS hasn't revealed yet, will not reverse the trend of how their announcement line-up has looked in the past 2 years.
People like me who complain a lot regarding MS's first-party announcement slate of their past 2 years a lot wants to see MS of 2013/14 back, where the investments in new AAA IPs like Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Shangheist, Ryse, Scalebound were clearly a big part of their next-gen strategy, on top of existing franchises.
As of right now, the only fresh new AAA IP for the foreseeable future from MS is Sea of Thieves. I'm curious what their next slate of new AAA IP investments will look like.
You're talking as if both things were mutually exclusive. Microsoft announced games too early (Scalebound). Simultaneously, they don't seem to have much coming as proven by these last two years, where they have released fewer games compared to when the console launched or Nintendo/Sony's offerings.
Both problems coexist.
Liliana Eileen
Member
A good majority of the people posting nonsense like that are simply concern trolling, even though there are definitely valid concerns.
Like I said before, for the past 3-4 years the main criticism of Xbox One compared to PS4 was that it was the "weaker, inferior" console. People desperately attempt to downplay this nowadays and push the goalposts to "games," but everyone knows the truth. I even remember Xbox fans defending the XB1 launch, saying they had a better games lineup than PS4, but that was moot because "lol 900p." It got so bad that when I still worked retail I'd have casual customers walk into my store and be pleasantly surprised at our Xbox kiosk because they assumed it had "Wii-like graphics" (yes, one couple told me that verbatim) from all the FUD spread online.
Now, Microsoft has the most powerful console by a good margin (and even has a UHD Blu-ray drive, to boot), and will have this for the next 3 years even though they are obviously working on the next Xbox as we speak (Phil evend saying they have ideas already for the next Xbox). They're going to promote this to kingdom come, and let's not fool ourselves here; the biggest sellers on both platforms will be multiplatform.
Given the change in Microsoft/Xbox since 2013 and how Xbox has been increasingly praised as an important part to the future of Microsoft, and given the nonstop barrage of "games, first party and exclusives" criticisms they have (rightfully) received, it's not farfetched to think Aaron is telling the truth. This will be Microsofts next "Xbox" step. They have been killing it with software and updates and are unparalleled in that regard. Now they have the most powerful console about to launch. Next is games software.
Quote me.
I feel like there is a growing number of Xbox fans on this forum that desire to be part of an echo chamber. It has been illustrated a great deal in the speculation threads both for Scorpio and for E3 where, again and again, those 'raining on the parade' of Zen, of $399, of Scalebound's return, are treated as if they are somehow anti Xbox or anti Microsoft merely because they aren't willing to jump aboard the hype train.
I've felt underwhelmed by Xbox exclusives for so long now that I can't help but react negatively to Aaron Greenberg, who is frankly infamous for his nonsense, promising the world shortly after Microsoft delivered diddly squat. There is plenty to be positive about in regards to Microsoft and Xbox... but the exclusives lineup ain't it. Not right now, anyway.
SaucyJack
Member
I think people believe that they've got nothing they haven't revealed ...... that's coming any time soon. And they're probably right.
MS went into this gen at a disadvantage in terms of first party studio size and capability, and if anything that's become worse despite all the marketing speak from Phil and co. What first party resource they have is concentrated in a small number of big franchises. IMHO this strategy costs them a lot of customers.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Just chiming in to say, I appreciate your insight into the industry, and thank you for posting here, despite the boneheaded resistance you get sometimes.
Damage control for having too many announced exclusives ?
digoutyoursoul
Member
I have noticed that too, I think with a couple of people here they just want to antagonise or are taking the piss. One person in particular barely plays the platform yet is on here constantly acting like a corporate slave with not one bit of anything constructive to say in the slightest yet is going around having a go at people who are fans and simply don't share their view.
For many, the point of Gaf is to build hype trains. They're not interested in discussion, criticism, or much else. Just get fucking hype off teasers and cryptic announcements by empty salesmen.
Lol if that's the way you wanna look at it man
It's not really fair to suggest that people are moving the goalposts when they suggest, three and a half years into a generation, that games matter more. It's a completely natural and sensible way to look at things. A launch console is an investment in the future and often relies on a lot of guesswork about what is to come. In the middle of a generation you're much more interested in what the console can offer you in the short term. I bought my PlayStation 4 because I believed it would be the best console this generation and I turned out to be correct. I bought my Xbox One because I wanted to play Halo 5. There's no goalpost shifting. It's just a natural shift that occurs every generation.
I wish I had your optimism. My concern is twofold: First, if Microsoft were righting the proverbial ship, we'd already see evidence for it in new studios being bought or created, in hiring patterns etc. Second, I'd argue it's a lot harder to create a great lineup of games and to foster a great group of studios than it is to create a new console. That's not to take away from Microsoft's hardware team, but practically you have to understand that Sony's first party has been built up over a long, long period. If Microsoft are even aiming towards something like that it may take a very long time before they start to harvest the benefits.
Not ready to be announced? I think they have realised CG trailers only do so much for trailers, gameplay is what really turns heads.
Fredrik
Member
Yeah but it takes years to make a game. What can they do? Showing target renders of games that are maybe 2-3 years from release is not okay. Showing a title screen and "In development" is pointless too. And as with Scalebound, games can actually get cancelled if they're shown too early and don't live up to the expectations. Scalebound is seemingly everybody's dream game today but check the gameplay demo reveal. Ouch. I wouldn't be surprised if the harsh feedback from the demo showcase was the reason for the cancellation. In my opinion it's never a good thing to show a game in a pre-alpha stage, it'll either look yanky and rushed or it'll be target render bullshit. I think it's enough to hear that they have stuff in the works, it makes me calm, then when they're finally ready to show something we might actually get to see real polished gameplay and it might come out within 6 months too. Turn 10 is the best, we know they're always working on new Forza games but they don't show or talk about it until 3 month before the release. Perfect. I wish everybody did it that way. I don't need to know what I might play in 3 years, it's just frustrating to wait for it. At this point in the generation I wouldn't even know what hardware I'll play it on.
Stare-Bear
Banned
Microsoft needs to take some risks. Give their studios the time and money to make quirky, innovative games. New exciting IP's that are not grey fps's or racing games.
Fredrik
Member
Stop it! I love racing games! Can't believe that I'll actually get to play the real Forza Motorsport 7 at 60fps or higher on a triple screen PC setup in a few months! Aaaawesome!!
They did take risks early on. Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break. Heck, Recore from last year. None of them sold well. (I believe so, I might be wrong).
Expecting new IPs to set the world on fire and then dropping them at the first sight that actual dedication to it is needed for it to grow is exactly the reason why they're in the position that they are in now
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
I think it was actually Bgamer90 that kept banging that drum.
First-party contribution has to be measured in terms of more than direct revenue production. A console that offers a diverse lineup of creative exclusive titles alongside critical darlings and blockbuster hits creates buzz. That kind of positive brand perception sells consoles, which in turn generates revenue from third party content. That's how this industry works, and it's terrifying to think that Microsoft may somehow have lost sight of this basic premise.
Using the word "majority", is one step from the GAF hivemind meme.
You also can't compare homogenize Sony to Microsoft in this case, for obvious reasons. The former has tons of announced games on the way, while the former has neither announced games in the past or present.
Sony saying "we have unannounced games" carries far more credibility than the same statement from Microsoft.
I wonder how they're gonna squeeze microtransactions into Ori 2
CalamityPixel
Member
Although it may be dry now, there is a tide coming in time.
Fredrik
Member
Don't worry, to see what the hardware is capable of we just need to compare the same game on both consoles, like in DF FaceOffs, which I'm sure we'll see a lot of within a few months. It won't be leagues better though, but 4 vs 6 tf will definitely be seen no doubt. The next 3 years will likely be XB1 vs PS4 reversed, as in - Every single multiplat will either be better on Xbox One X or in some rare cases the same as Pro. So don't worry.
All Microsoft can do, and all they should do, and all they need to do is start delivering.
DustyVonEric
Member
Maybe they don't, but they sure as heck help you determine which one to buy first along with price.
MilkyJoe
Member
Quel surpriz.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Oh, I believe him alright, it's just if any of them are interesting to me, that's another matter. Don't think that it's really the best for them to announce stuff too early again only to cancel it later (Phantom Dust & Scalebound style) since it's all bad PR for them which they do not want or need any more of. If one of them is a Phantom Dust revival, then I'm all for that. Their first year was surprisingly good looking back on things (much better than Sony's or Nintendo's [Wii U], imo).
daTRUballin
Member
I don't know about Nuts & Bolts being "awful" necessarily, but I sure do know what you just said is an awful reason to not bring back Banjo.
Aw, I've got a fan.
ethomaz
Banned
Announcing games to be released in two years was never too early... in fact it is the right time to announce... games to be launch in holiday 2018 or March 2019 should be announced at this E3 (2017).
The complain about announcing too early is more about games like FFXV, TLG, Crackdown 3, etc... games that are announced 3, 4, 5 years before the release.
Jaguar Victory
Member
More good kid games like Super Lucy's Tale would go far with a lot of families. And Crimson Skies reboot for me plz.
What are you talking about? MS has released more major games over the last few years than Sony, and between this E3 and next we have Cuphead, Forza 7, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2, and Sea of Thieves. Four major releases and a smaller game over the course of a year is pretty solid and pretty much their standard. We have no idea when all of Sony's games will actually be released, and I'd be shocked if most of them are before next E3. MS hasn't shown anything beyond next E3 by design. Anyone pretending that means they don't have anything in the works beyond what's announced is trying to spread concern trolling and console wars bullshit.
NeloAnjelo
Member
Can't wait to play them on PS4
Stormblessed
Member
I think it's probably true. When you have events like the Scalebound cancellation pissing away all the goodwill the announcement earned them (and more), they have incentive to not reveal things too soon.
I can think of a few (bad) ways. Collectathons are probably ideal for microtransactions.
I can think of a few (bad) ways. Collectathons are probably ideal for microtransactions.
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