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Vespa

Member
is there a cliffnotes version? will everdrives wreck ur shit in the long run?

What Damage Can Be Caused?
Prolonged use of components outside of their specified tolerances inevitably leads to failure. On the console side, the stress is excessive current output on digital outputs when driving a logic high. On the cartridge side, the stress is excessive heat dissipation due to conduction of the clamping diodes. I have already heard from several friends that their NES consoles have died most likely due to their admittedly heavy use of cheap multicarts. These are particularly bad. I would avoid these like the plague. I suspect poorly designed Everdrives will require more time before we start seeing failures.

Some NES consoles have died as a result of using a cheap multicart eek! He says those 'bad' Everdrives are suspected of taking longer to cause a failure and that both the console and cart are stressed and under risk.
 
A buddy had his MVS mobo destroyed by a 161 in 1 cart which went pop and took the hardware out with it. Then I found the youtube videos which are linked in that article which confirmed it was the lack of proper components on the cart that caused the fault. Always tell people to stear clear of them if the subject pops up as a result.

Was looking to grab a Super Everdrive so nice to know I should avoid, thanks for posting.
 

thelatestmodel

Junior, please.
A buddy had his MVS mobo destroyed by a 161 in 1 cart which went pop and took the hardware out with it. Then I found the youtube videos which are linked in that article which confirmed it was the lack of proper components on the cart that caused the fault. Always tell people to stear clear of them if the subject pops up as a result.

Was looking to grab a Super Everdrive so nice to know I should avoid, thanks for posting.

Would the NeoSD be a safer option?

edit - I think I've answered my own question, GadgetUK talks about voltage regulation in his review and it sounds like a good design.
 
A buddy had his MVS mobo destroyed by a 161 in 1 cart which went pop and took the hardware out with it. Then I found the youtube videos which are linked in that article which confirmed it was the lack of proper components on the cart that caused the fault. Always tell people to stear clear of them if the subject pops up as a result.

Was looking to grab a Super Everdrive so nice to know I should avoid, thanks for posting.

Go with the SD2SNES instead (also sold by Krikzz and Stone Age Gamer) Rene says its a fantastic design.
 

Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
Well, as I said, day drinking is what inspires me to make new threads. I think I have a problem. This time, I made a thread about arcade game/PCB stuff: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=242680608#post242680608

I'm sure it's riddled with misinformation and things that probably should've been covered that weren't, but... that's the point of a forum -- everyone else gets to fix it. Plz don't let the thread die immediately :(


Irish, can you add it to the list of RetroGAF threads in the OP?
 
Go with the SD2SNES instead (also sold by Krikzz and Stone Age Gamer) Rene says its a fantastic design.

Misread / typed there. I have an SD2SNES already, it was my favourite childhood console so there was no question of buying anything else. What I meant to type was that I was looking to get Mega Everdrive of which the X5 revision seems ok according to the article.
 

Fularu

Banned
I thought this would be an interesting post for here. Rene from dbElectronics put up his blog post about the issues with running 3,3v flash media on a 5v device with out the proper electronics in place to handle it, he also talks about which devices have proper designs and what doesn't.

https://db-electronics.ca/2017/07/05/the-dangers-of-3-3v-flash-in-retro-consoles/#Everdrive_N8

Here's just the introduction to give people some info.

Welp getting an X5 (when I really wanted the X7... smh and getting an SD2SNES ASAP
 

Peltz

Member
A buddy had his MVS mobo destroyed by a 161 in 1 cart which went pop and took the hardware out with it. Then I found the youtube videos which are linked in that article which confirmed it was the lack of proper components on the cart that caused the fault. Always tell people to stear clear of them if the subject pops up as a result.

Was looking to grab a Super Everdrive so nice to know I should avoid, thanks for posting.

Welp... I'm done. Never using my 161 in 1 cart again after reading this.
 

Peltz

Member
Well, as I said, day drinking is what inspires me to make new threads. I think I have a problem. This time, I made a thread about arcade game/PCB stuff: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=242680608#post242680608

I'm sure it's riddled with misinformation and things that probably should've been covered that weren't, but... that's the point of a forum -- everyone else gets to fix it. Plz don't let the thread die immediately :(


Irish, can you add it to the list of RetroGAF threads in the OP?

That OP kicks ass. Nicely done man.

i was just going to text you to take a look at this post. lol

Seriously... thanks. I need to grab legit copies of MS4 and 5 and then I'll have no use for it anyway.
 
Welp... I'm done. Never using my 161 in 1 cart again after reading this.

If you value your mobo then please dont. I also had a 120 in 1 cart fail on me a couple of months before my friends mobo was ruined. But as my hardware was luckily ok I didnt think too much of it at the time, dodged a bullet there!

I have posted about the problems in a quite recent discussion over in the dedicated neogeo thread but stuff like that is easily drowned out...

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=232916415
 
Well, Krikzz has a new one that uses PSRAM for GB/GBC coming soon.
Sure, but understanding these others aspects of the electronics might demonstrate a different reason to upgrade to krikzz new device, or a reason to avoid it. More information is always a plus.
 

Vespa

Member
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I forgot I had an Everdrive 64 and it's not in that article, good to know it should be okay.
 

Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
Very nice, could I also recommend the below forums as pretty invaluable sources for both the trade sections and as a repository of knowledge.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com

http://www.jammaplus.co.uk/forum/default.asp

Lastly shmupmame has been made obsolete by groovymame which manages to remove even more frames of input lag whilst removing all the hacks shmupmame used. Being picky I know....

Ah, that's right - forgot about that. I haven't paid particularly close attention to that whole thing. I'll change that, and add those links.
 

Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
I didn't realize the 161-in-1 also had worse audio quality. I mean, it never interested me, but that's ghetto. I would've thought it'd just work properly.
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
I thought this would be an interesting post for here. Rene from dbElectronics put up his blog post about the issues with running 3,3v flash media on a 5v device with out the proper electronics in place to handle it, he also talks about which devices have proper designs and what doesn't.

https://db-electronics.ca/2017/07/05/the-dangers-of-3-3v-flash-in-retro-consoles/#Everdrive_N8

Here's just the introduction to give people some info.
He went into this on the last Retro Roundtable. Glad he put up a blog post also. Thanks.

EDIT:
SD2SNES
Verdict = Pure Gold!
It feels like that's what I paid for it. I'm glad I did now.
 

D.Lo

Member
Wow thanks for this dude.

Super Everdrive and Mega Everdrive going in the trash methinks. I'm not damaging my RGB modded Super Famicom Jr with crap carts!
 

BTails

Member
At least I got my PS2 reading games off an SD card today! Hopefully that won't cause any issues, but the PS2 is a launch model with an absolutely destroyed laser, so I'm not TOO worried if it finally dies.

Must... Replace... Disc drives... in ALL systems...
 
At least I got my PS2 reading games off an SD card today! Hopefully that won't cause any issues, but the PS2 is a launch model with an absolutely destroyed laser, so I'm not TOO worried if it finally dies.

Must... Replace... Disc drives... in ALL systems...

i need to do this. brought the rails and HDD to mess around with and throw ps2 games on it but haven't had time get to it yet.
 
At least I got my PS2 reading games off an SD card today! Hopefully that won't cause any issues, but the PS2 is a launch model with an absolutely destroyed laser, so I'm not TOO worried if it finally dies.

Must... Replace... Disc drives... in ALL systems...

FHDB + OPL is the dream.
 
Slept on the 8-bit Final game because I was really moving locations during the release. Tacked it onto the new SFC game. I totally dig these releases.

I2GWK
i can't see the photo on my laptop, (it might be just my computer,) but is the link broken?

i got Super Metroid in the mail today and picked up this neat controller/game while grabbing dinner:
ZQc2zXMh.jpg

i used to suck at it in the arcade.
 
i can't see the photo on my laptop, (it might be just my computer,) but is the link broken?

i got Super Metroid in the mail today and picked up this neat controller/game while grabbing dinner:

i used to suck at it in the arcade.

Link works if you open it in a new tab.

That Arkanoid paddle looks pretty cool. I'd definitely pick that up if I saw it even though I don't usually go for NES.
 

mosaic

go eat paint
HD Retrovision component cables for SNES/Genesis are still in stock, btw.

They're on Wave 2 right now.

Thank you for the heads up! Why people pay upwards of $150 for these cables on eBay, I'll never know... but I can personally vouch for the Genesis and Genesis+Neo Geo adapter set I got during the original Kickstarter campaign. They work phenomenal with my Samsung Plasma HDTV. And now I finally have a SNES cable on the way.

I agree that there is a limited use case for these cables, but for those of us in that use case, they are magnificent. The build quality is stellar as well.
 

Krelian

Member
Damn, I gotta replace my Super Everdrive with an SD2SNES. I thought I didn't need its extra features, but a working console in the long run is worth it.

Too bad there's no definitive info on the Mega Everdrive X3. Now I'm contemplating replacing it, too.

Thanks for linking the article, Shin Johnpv!
 

Galdelico

Member
My friends MVS board stopped working not long ago and he's got one of the multi-carts wonder if that's what killed it now.
Messaged the link to a friend of mine last night, as soon as I read the article... He replied something like 'ahhh, maybe that's why my console started to act funny and needed carts to be insterted multiple times, in order for it to read them properly'. Only, he uses an AES console + MVS adapter of sort.
I'm not an NG person, so I have no idea how things work on that system, but... Any chance the 161-in-1 may have only busted the adapter and not the console? Not that it would make any sense, by logic. Just to give him hope his AES isn't gonna die.

Edit - Any idea if things like the PowerBase Mini FM could be potentially a danger as well? I was going to buy one, but now this whole thing got me a bit more wary...

After A decade of using Photobucket I am trying to figure out a different hoster...but not the most savvy with computers ;(
Imgur + set your profile/gallery as private = good to go.
 
Messaged the link to a friend of mine last night, as soon as I read the article... He replied something like 'ahhh, maybe that's why my console started to act funny and needed carts to be insterted multiple times, in order for it to read them properly'. Only, he uses an AES console + MVS adapter of sort.
I'm not an NG person, so I have no idea how things work on that system, but... Any chance the 161-in-1 may have only busted the adapter and not the console? Not that it would make any sense, by logic. Just to give him hope his AES isn't gonna die.

Edit - Any idea if things like the PowerBase Mini FM could be potentially a danger as well? I was going to buy one, but now this whole thing got me a bit more wary...

In regards to the MVS to AES converter I don't know. I have one myself (though never used a 161 in 1 or any other multicart in it) that just last year or so started giving me problems that so far no one has been able to figure out what's causing them or how to fix them. Though I would think the carts needing to be inserted multiple times is probably either a sign of dirty contacts, or just worn down contacts. I know replacing the cartridge connectors is something done on AES', as mine had brand new ones put in just before I bought it from the person I did. You should suggest to him that he try and clean the contacts with some high percentage rubbing alcohol, and if that doesn't help maybe some deoxit.

In regards to the PowerBase Mini FM, that's actually made by the guy who wrote this article so I wouldn't worry about it. Plus that's not using flash memory. See the problem here is the use of 3.3v flash memory on data lines for systems that run at 5vs with out proper transitioning of the voltage happening.
 

Peltz

Member
i can't see the photo on my laptop, (it might be just my computer,) but is the link broken?

i got Super Metroid in the mail today and picked up this neat controller/game while grabbing dinner:
ZQc2zXMh.jpg

i used to suck at it in the arcade.

Super Metroid is so fucking good. It took me a few attempts to get into it (literally couldn't get into it for years). But when I finally did, it was one of the best games I've ever played. I think I finally beat it for the first time back in 2013 or so on Wii VC, and it was very impressive even then.
 
Super Metroid is one of those games that needs to be brought to each generation. It should be required gaming, a fine example of pretty much everything done right.
 

Galdelico

Member
In regards to the MVS to AES converter I don't know. I have one myself (though never used a 161 in 1 or any other multicart in it) that just last year or so started giving me problems that so far no one has been able to figure out what's causing them or how to fix them. Though I would think the carts needing to be inserted multiple times is probably either a sign of dirty contacts, or just worn down contacts. I know replacing the cartridge connectors is something done on AES', as mine had brand new ones put in just before I bought it from the person I did. You should suggest to him that he try and clean the contacts with some high percentage rubbing alcohol, and if that doesn't help maybe some deoxit.

In regards to the PowerBase Mini FM, that's actually made by the guy who wrote this article so I wouldn't worry about it. Plus that's not using flash memory. See the problem here is the use of 3.3v flash memory on data lines for systems that run at 5vs with out proper transitioning of the voltage happening.

Thanks for all the useful tips/informations. I'll let him know!
And also for the clarification on the PB Mini. ;)

i can't see the photo on my laptop, (it might be just my computer,) but is the link broken?

i got Super Metroid in the mail today and picked up this neat controller/game while grabbing dinner:
ZQc2zXMh.jpg

i used to suck at it in the arcade.
Great stuff as always... And I'm still annoyed we didn't get that sweet special edition for Project X Zone.
 
Super Metroid is one of those games that needs to be brought to each generation. It should be required gaming, a fine example of pretty much everything done right.

It's my favorite SNES game but I'm not gonna fault any new gamers for finding it too archaic mechanically. Stuff like edge grabbing and easier walljumps in MF and M;ZM prolly make those games more accommodating to newcomers.

Slept on the 8-bit Final game because I was really moving locations during the release. Tacked it onto the new SFC game. I totally dig these releases.

https://imgur.com/gallery/I2GWK

Did you know about that stereo accessory thing that plugs into the 15-pin famicom connector port on the side?
 
It's my favorite SNES game but I'm not gonna fault any new gamers for finding it too archaic mechanically. Stuff like edge grabbing and easier walljumps in MF and M;ZM prolly make those games more accommodating to newcomers.

I agree with everything you said. Super metroid laid the groundwork and ZM/F polished them just a little further.

If we were putting together a list of must play games the way people do for movies and books Super Metroid would absolutely be on that list.
 

Yes Boss!

Member
Did you know about that stereo accessory thing that plugs into the 15-pin famicom connector port on the side?

Yeah, I had that one preordered for the longest time. But then cancelled it since I only have an AV Fami and it was gonna be the wrong color and on the side instead of the front. Have not listened to this new one yet...but I LOVED the first.
 
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