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iPhone 8 should cost $1,500?

Apathy

Member
It just feels like phones are getting ludicrously expensive. But hey, if people pay who am I to question it. I got a nexus 4 but I'll get something newer soon
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
I get that people in this thread might just hate capitalism (or their success at it), but this is the world we live in. If Apple can only manufacture 4M OLED iPhones per quarter, then they should be doing this calculus:

* how much would our 4M richest customers be willing to pay (maybe that's $1500)
* how much other stuff can we cram in if that's our price point
* retain 40% margins
* avoid a sellout that also obliterates 7s sales

They just work backwards from there.

I realize a lot of people get angry because they want to have the very best, but can't afford it and so they lash out or rationalize that the product isn't as good as people think it is. I follow the industry pretty closely, I am not a rube, and Apple's software ecosystem and my love for cutting edge hardware and industrial design means I'm squarely the target market for this thing, even at $1500.

Sorry?

Doesn’t work in a vacuum though, they have to also factor in what an 'unreachable' top tier phone does for their core market - those people spending $800 each year on the 'best iPhone ever' that feel put off that they have to pay $800 for the second best
 

reKon

Banned
I get that people in this thread might just hate capitalism (or their success at it), but this is the world we live in. If Apple can only manufacture 4M OLED iPhones per quarter, then they should be doing this calculus:

* how much would our 4M richest customers be willing to pay (maybe that's $1500)
* how much other stuff can we cram in if that's our price point
* retain 40% margins
* avoid a sellout that also obliterates 7s sales

They just work backwards from there.

I realize a lot of people get angry because they want to have the very best, but can't afford it and so they lash out or rationalize that the product isn't as good as people think it is. I follow the industry pretty closely, I am not a rube, and Apple's software ecosystem and my love for cutting edge hardware and industrial design means I'm squarely the target market for this thing, even at $1500.

Sorry?

Fuck off with this bullshit. There will be great competing products that people will find more value in than an iPhone for various reasons (whether it's Android as an OS and it's customization or storage expandability).

If you want to start talking about what most "iPhone owners think" I can promise you that there are millions who have not even began to come with an analysis to compare other products. It's not Apple to them so nothing else matters. If you take all the features that this phone will likely end up having and compare to a flagship like the S8, it's clear as day which sides rationalization seems more silly when you throw in price.

I'm not hating against Apple for their price. Your comments on that make sense. I'm just going in on the fans who always feel justifised on whatever high valued Apple product they purchase. Sure do what you want with your money, but your rationalization send peception of value is hilariously fucked.
 
All these expensive ass phones that cost the manufacturer nothing to make. These are made in developing countries by overworked labour.

When will people realize these flimsy, often times plastic, phones shouldn't cost anywhere close to a grand?

I'd pay max $400 for a phone that should last five to ten years.
 

shira

Member
I get that people in this thread might just hate capitalism (or their success at it), but this is the world we live in. If Apple can only manufacture 4M OLED iPhones per quarter, then they should be doing this calculus:

* how much would our 4M richest customers be willing to pay (maybe that's $1500)
* how much other stuff can we cram in if that's our price point
* retain 40% margins
* avoid a sellout that also obliterates 7s sales

They just work backwards from there.

I realize a lot of people get angry because they want to have the very best, but can't afford it and so they lash out or rationalize that the product isn't as good as people think it is. I follow the industry pretty closely, I am not a rube, and Apple's software ecosystem and my love for cutting edge hardware and industrial design means I'm squarely the target market for this thing, even at $1500.

Sorry?
I think the problem is that the poorest segment of the population will buy or try to buy the phone and run further into debt. IE missing rent/using money lenders/etc
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
The phone will have Touch ID... Apple is not usually that inconsistent with it's design. They just added Touch ID to the MacBooks.

I agree, and they haven't built-up Apple Pay to be as convenient as it is to then kneecap it on the flagship phone.

With the way the rumours have been going more inclined to believe it will be under the screen after all.
 
The top of the line + model already is around 1350 euro here so I believe it.
nothing new for an iphone speaking as a none US buyer.

[edit] spelling error.
 

x3sphere

Member
no, for me phones aren't even worth spending $700 on anymore. There used to be a big difference from the mid range and high end, but I don't feel that way anymore. Besides, at least on the Android side, you can pick up a heavily discounted flagship if you're willing to wait a bit.

But yes, I'm sure a lot of people will buy it that must need the newest gadget.
 

VoxPop

Member
I think I would only pay that much for a phone if it was modular and somewhat futureproofed. $1000 is probably the cut off for me on an iPhone. $650 on Android.
 

BobLoblaw

Banned
There's like a thousand things you can do with that much money. Why spend all that shit on a phone you'll be replacing in 2 years?
 
This speculation reminds me of the days preceding the iPad. Constant speculation over price, with many guessing something in the realm around $1000. Just silly season all around.



How good? NVMe in iOS devices hits 400/150 sequential read/write.

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The Storage in my S8 is faster than every iPhone/iPad

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DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
For me personally if they don't bodge the design with TouchID I'd probably jump in even at that price. Although like the iPad speculation I don't think they will go that high. Definitely premium, especially with the storage to match, but not the luxury talk.

Only way I can see that happening is if they push it as an anniversary model and the reports of low yields are true and there will be a low supply of them. Even then low by iPhone standards would still mean shitloads of them.

The iPhone has been stagnating since the 4/4S for me. Always solid but never spectacular, and always compromised designs from antenna panels to bands. If they can actually nail the new design and produce something that is as good as the 4 again I'm in.
 

Steejee

Member
I'd be curious to see what a company could build with a high price point like that if the extra cost was all dedicated to bleeding edge tech and not a pretty case or side services.
 
J

JeremyEtcetera

Unconfirmed Member
People love spending 3k or more on MacBooks, and for those people I don't see the issue here. I'm just hoping this doesn't trickle into Android phone prices. I don't want a trend started where phones cost as much as laptops.

Also why hasn't MS revealed their surface phone reboot yet? We need more competition.
 

Juice

Member
I think the problem is that the poorest segment of the population will buy or try to buy the phone and run further into debt. IE missing rent/using money lenders/etc

Not much Apple can do to solve that problem ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
People love spending 3k or more on MacBooks, and for those people I don't see the issue here. I'm just hoping this doesn't trickle into Android phone prices. I don't want a trend started where phones cost as much as laptops.

Also why hasn't MS revealed their surface phone reboot yet? We need more competition.

Because they have a competent CEO now.
 

Patriots7

Member
I'm in.

I mean, I spent $2K on my MacBook Pro. I use my iPhone significantly more than I do my MacBook. So I don't see why it would be hard for me to justify it.
 

Apt101

Member
I would not spend more than about $700 on a phone before taxes (ignoring future inflation and such).

If they really do get rid of touch ID I'll just switch to an Android phone that supports it when my 6s finally dies. It's too convenient. I don't want to hold the phone up to my face and/or eyeball when I can instead scan my finger while my phone is held up to the POS system and be done with checkout in 2 seconds.
 

Ecotic

Member
There's likely a sufficiently large market for such a premium phone. It's the trend nowadays to segment the market like this to capture different types of users.
 

Juice

Member
People cheerleading for corporations is always amazing to me.

If there was a way to have an incredibly high-end OLED display and top-notch parts at iPhone-volume and existing prices, I'd want that too. As far as anyone knows, that's physically impossible. So… I guess that's cheereleading?
 

Guess Who

Banned
I get that people in this thread might just hate capitalism (or their success at it), but this is the world we live in. If Apple can only manufacture 4M OLED iPhones per quarter

The rumor is they've ordered 80mil OLED panels for the end of this year alone.
 

giga

Member
This is good analysis/post. Maybe the iPhone j8sus features will be better implemented than the competition.





This is garbage analysis/posting. The OP is literally about what the pundit wants. If you don't care why are you in this thread. He isn't just speculating as you say, he is prescribing a solution for what he thinks Apple should do. That's an important difference because Apple has already set expectations to their customers for what an iPhone costs
Who are you to say what threads I'm allowed to be in? People are allowed to comment on threads and say it reminds them of an earlier time where something similar happened.

The Storage in my S8 is faster than every iPhone/iPad

XKhaSi6.png

As it should be considering when it came out.

Edit: Which test are you running? The 256KB test by Ars shows different.


Oh just noticed this is AndroBench. It's not a good idea to compare benchmarks that's not cross platform.
 
Would you spend >$1,000 on an iPhone
Yes

Would you spend >$1,000 on an Android Phone
No
Lmao.

I'm pretty sure if Apple starts taking down payments on their products and leasing them it would work.

The cult of shiny (subpar performance and hardware) is real.

People cheerleading for corporations is always amazing to me.

I've had people actively get pissed at me and DM me over making fun of Apple products. It's insanity.

No phone should cost more than $500.

Apple doesn't need your ilk.
 

reKon

Banned
Lmao.

I'm pretty sure if Apple starts taking down payments on their products and leasing them it would work.

The cult of shiny (subpar performance and hardware) is real.

The cult of people not knowing what the fuck their talking about is real.

I don't buy iPhones mainly because of OS it runs on and in my mind, the competition is better suited for my needs, but what you said is objectively wrong.
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
Lmao.

I'm pretty sure if Apple starts taking down payments on their products and leasing them it would work.

The cult of shiny (subpar performance and hardware) is real.



I've had people actively get pissed at me and DM me over making fun of Apple products. It's insanity.



Apple doesn't need your ilk.

Apple already does have a leasing program for the iPhone.

I think the problem is that the poorest segment of the population will buy or try to buy the phone and run further into debt. IE missing rent/using money lenders/etc

Maybe those people should stop so happhazard with their money and recognize a phone in their current situation is not the best purchase. Almost all of us here have been poor college students or similar and recognize there are times in our lives we couldn't have what we wanted because we needed to be responsible with our money while we were in a situation where we couldn't bring in enough to support all our wants.
 

Vuze

Member
Lmao.

I'm pretty sure if Apple starts taking down payments on their products and leasing them it would work.

The cult of shiny (subpar performance and hardware) is real.



I've had people actively get pissed at me and DM me over making fun of Apple products. It's insanity.
no surprise when you spread factually wrong bs like this lol.

How the hell do people accept paying 1000+ for a phone but lose their mind over a console being 500?
Toy vs daily driver device, hardly comparable.
 
The cult of people not knowing what the fuck their talking about is real.

I don't buy iPhones mainly because of OS it runs on and in my mind, the competition is better suited for my needs, but what you said is objectively wrong.

The iPhone 7 outperforms the S8? Do tell.

And I'm pretty sure the s7 beats the iPhone 7 as well, and it's not even meant to compete with it.


no surprise when you spread factually wrong bs like this lol.

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The fuck are you people doing with your phones that you need a $1500 phone? Making 1mil poly Maya models or something?


Gotta maintain internal sense of superiority somehow 🤣
 

Trace

Banned
The fuck are you people doing with your phones that you need a $1500 phone? Making 1mil poly Maya models or something?
 
How the hell do people accept paying 1000+ for a phone but lose their mind over a console being 500?
because a phone is your bank, your gps, your camera, your contacts, your social media, your wallet, your stock trading tool, your browser, your music library, your movies/shows on the go, your lite games, your point of sale for allot of small businesses, with you from the second it wakes you up in the morning with its alarm until the second you go to bed checking your last work email.


while a console is a toy
 

Trace

Banned
because a phone is your bank, your gps, your camera, your contacts, your social media, your wallet, your stock trading tool, your browser, your music library, your movies/shows on the go, your lite games, your point of sale for allot of small businesses, with you from the second it wakes you up in the morning with its alarm until the second you go to bed checking your last work email.


while a console is a toy

And I'm sure all of those require a $1500 phone? In what way are you better served by that over an $700-800 phone?
 
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