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[Papo Swing]

Nintendo can come out and say that the Amiibo will only unlock Fusion Hard Mode 10 that comes after the 10 normal Hard Modes and 99 Fusion Hard Modes and people would still find reasons to complain.

I get that it may seem shitty but come on. Any other developer would put both Hard Modes behind a pay wall DLC.

 

[nicolasacmf]

Needless outrage, but people will do anything to justify getting mad, so... w/e.

 

[TheMoon]

Reply: Some Nintendo defense that you should have gotten a N3DS ages ago and should own 5 3DSes already. Your fault, not Nintendo's.

Show me someone who actually says stuff like this outside of your head canon.

Btw, there were difficulty/sound test and galleries in later handheld entries. But yeah, Metroid 2 didn't, so it's okay to make these neat bonuses hidden behind: 1) A rare plastic toy 2) Under a 15 dollar paywall, if not more.

The gallery is still in there, this just adds new sets to them.

 

[Regiruler]

Nintendo can come out and say that the Amiibo will only unlock Fusion Hard Mode 10 that comes after the 10 normal Hard Modes and 99 Fusion Hard Modes and people would still find reasons to complain.

I get that it may seem shitty but come on. Any other developer would put both Hard Modes behind a pay wall DLC.

A ton of developers still give hard mode for free...?

The biggest hard mode DLC in the past few years was Breath of the Wild.

 

[Alienfan]

Ah yes that makes it totally all better! Forcing people to buy overpriced McDonald's toys to unlock specific extra content is so wrong.

 

[Ged]

Needless outrage, but people will do anything to justify getting mad, so... w/e.

Come on, dude. Don't act all superior just because you don't care, the outrage is not needless.

 

[Madame M]

Nintendo can come out and say that the Amiibo will only unlock Fusion Hard Mode 10 that comes after the 10 normal Hard Modes and 99 Fusion Hard Modes and people would still find reasons to complain.

I get that it may seem shitty but come on. Any other developer would put both Hard Modes behind a pay wall DLC.

Which other developers have put hard modes behind DLC? Any examples?

 

[VDenter]

Needless outrage, but people will do anything to justify getting mad, so... w/e.

Not mad just disappointed that more and more content seems to be locked behind overpriced toys and some are somehow defending this or are willingly pretending that they dont understand why people are displeased.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Before it was just a matter of people gripping because they thought it was the only way to play the game in hard mode. Now people wanna gripe about the actual cosmetics you obtain? Get over yourselves. You had plenty of time after e3 to pre-order the Amiibo. I can respect people's argument that they don't like Amiibo. Does it make you any less of a fan of the series? Maybe. However if you want the unlocks that bad, find the Amiibo, buy them and sell them after you unlock everything. Or simply have a friend that has them, and scan them in your game. Wanna be super hardcore, and have the ultra hard mode experience? Collect the bare minimum in the game, and don't use the new melee attack a single time on hard. This is the dumbest case of "I don't want a solution, I want to be angry".

The Fusion Suit and a separate difficulty mode is not cosmetic.

You aren't offering a solution, you just want to be angry.

 

[Petrae]

Any other developer would put both Hard Modes behind a pay wall DLC.

That moment when the thread turned from fan defense to straight-up bullshit.

 

[LordKano]

Which other developers have put hard modes behind DLC? Any examples?

Naughty Dog.

 

[Spieler Eins]

I don't see how someone can claim as an absolute fact that none of those features were added solely as things for an amiibo to unlock, they were all going to be there anyway but then they took them away to sell amiibos.

It seems pretty clear those were things added as amiibo unlocks, not things that were definitely going to happen regardless.

We just got a remake of 3 Crash Bandicoot games in 1 that added a new character for all titles and a new time trial mode for all levels in the first game. Then every buyer up to that point got a completely new level for free. How did Activision do this without asking players to buy extra Skylander figures? Are they magicians?

 

[VeeP]

Needless outrage, but people will do anything to justify getting mad, so... w/e.

Lol, more fans thinking this isn't a big deal, or thinking people shouldn't be upset. Keep letting Nintendo keep this disgusting practice up.

 

[Uno Venova]

Naughty Dog.

Really? Damn these have really been slipping under the radar.

BOTW pretty much got away with the same thing.

 

[Gxgear]

And even if you want one, popular amiibos are so hard to find outside of preorders.

 

[Revven]

Which other developers have put hard modes behind DLC? Any examples?

The Last of Us with Grounded Mode. $5 on PS3.

 

[yuoke]

Really? Damn these have really been slipping under the radar.

BOTW pretty much got away with the same thing.

Got away with it because it's zelda and more popular I guess?

 

[LoganNotABoganYouKnowIt!!]

At a preview event for Metroid: Samus Returns, Nintendo finally clarified amiibo support for the game, especially with regards to how Hard Mode will work in the game. As it turns out, this probably was a case where better communication could have cleared up the whole problem.

I'd imagine someone's already said as much, but the lack of good communication was probably intentional to fuck over the people who don't want an amiibo.

 

[TheMoon]

Which other developers have put hard modes behind DLC? Any examples?

4A/THQ would be one. (Metro)

 

[RootCause]

Nintendo can come out and say that the Amiibo will only unlock Fusion Hard Mode 10 that comes after the 10 normal Hard Modes and 99 Fusion Hard Modes and people would still find reasons to complain.

I get that it may seem shitty but come on. Any other developer would put both Hard Modes behind a pay wall DLC.

Can you name these devs? Because I can name plenty that have added more features, difficulty modes for free.

 

[Madame M]

Naughty Dog.

Are you referring to Uncharted 4? Wasn't that DLC free?

 

[LordKano]

Are you referring to Uncharted 4? Wasn't that DLC free?

The Last of Us.

 

[Spieler Eins]

Got away with it because it's zelda and more popular I guess?

And people really wanted to believe that hard mode was something way more special than what it actually turned out to be, which kept the narrative low key.

The Last of Us with Grounded Mode. $5 on PS3.

Bullshit too, but in cases like this you can "at least" not support the initial release and wait for the GotY edition/remaster that has all the content on disc. Nintendo content you will only get through scalpers later on.

 

[RootCause]

Can you imagine if From had ng+ as pay dlc. Mjlaugh.gif

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

And people really wanted to believe that hard mode was something way more special than what it actually turned out to be, which kept the narrative low key.



Bullshit too, but in cases like this you can "at least" skip the game for the GotY edition/remaster that has all the content on disc.

Sounds like moving goalposts.

 

[Halifirien]

Were people this upset when you needed a Game Boy Advance and a copy of Metroid Fusion to unlock the Fusion suit in Metroid Prime?

 

[LordRaptor]

How did Activision do this without asking players to buy extra Skylander figures? Are they magicians?

Well thats literally a different point to the one I was making, which is that it is ludicrous to state as an absolute fact that things were definitely going to be added anyway but then removed last minute to sell amiibos rather than added for the sake of giving amiibos something to do.

 

[yuoke]

And people really wanted to believe that hard mode was something way more special than what it actually turned out to be, which kept the narrative low key.



Bullshit too, but in cases like this you can "at least" not support the initial release and wait for the GotY edition/remaster that has all the content on disc. Nintendo content you will only get through scalpers later on.

That's makes it more confusing.

Would people be more pissed if it was more special and they HAD to pay for it, or more pissed if they had to pay for just taking more damage?

 

[Skittzo0413]

And people really wanted to believe that hard mode was something way more special than what it actually turned out to be, which kept the narrative low key.

Low key? Weren't there several threads with several dozens of pages each full of outrage about it?

I'm pretty sure I made a thread about it too. BotW's hard mode was definitely not low key, and it did not get a free pass.

I think the DLC part 1 was redeemed and then some by the Trial of the Sword though, which was excellent new content.

 

[Spieler Eins]

Sounds like moving goalposts.

No? On Disc DLC is always shit, whether it's from Sony, Capcom or anyone else, but Nintendo's figurine method is even worse for the consumer because of multiple factors.

Low key? Weren't there several threads with several dozens of pages each full of outrage about it?

I'm pretty sure I made a thread about it too. BotW's hard mode was definitely not low key, and it did not get a free pass.

I think the DLC part 1 was redeemed and then some by the Trial of the Sword though, which was excellent new content.

Good then. All I remember is certain groups trying to handwave it because we didn't know "what that hard mode really is" (notice a pattern, lol).

 

[kpaadet]

The Last of Us with Grounded Mode. $5 on PS3.

That was bullshit as well.
But at least it wasn't tied to a ~$12 amiibo
Nor were an adaptor required to use if you had a fat PS3
And it also weren't in the game to begin with, meaning it was actual post release DLC.
If Nintendo offered Fusion mode for $5 I would get it, sure beats this situation.

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

Were people this upset when you needed a Game Boy Advance and a copy of Metroid Fusion to unlock the Fusion suit in Metroid Prime?

because they couldn't bitch about it on social media back then

hell hath no fury like a manchild potentially scorned

 

[PSqueak]

So Fusion Mode is even harder than Hard Mode?

God damn it.

sounds more like Fusion Mode is Hard Mode with a different skin.

 

[VDenter]

Were people this upset when you needed a Game Boy Advance and a copy of Metroid Fusion to unlock the Fusion suit in Metroid Prime?

I do not think this situation is comparable at all.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

No? On Disc DLC is always shit, whether it's from Sony, Capcom or anyone else, but Nintendo's figurine method is even worse for the consumer because of multiple factors.



Good then. All I remember is certain groups trying to handwave it because we didn't know "what that hard mode really is" (notice a pattern, lol).

Arguably worse in some ways but also better in others. Either system has flaws and issues.

 

[Uno Venova]

because they couldn't bitch about it on social media back then

hell hath no fury like a manchild potentially scorned

wheew

 

[greenhadoken]

I do not think this situation is comparable at all.

I believe it's comparable in that the Metroid Prime unlock most likely wouldn't have happened without the game-link cable, and this fusion mode unlock probably wouldn't be happening without amiibo, but as many have pointed out there is no proof either way

 

[SummitAve]

What specifically about the fusion hard mode are people upset about missing or needing to buy an amiibo for?

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

I believe it's comparable in that the Metroid Prime unlock most likely wouldn't have happened without the game-link cable, and this fusion mode unlock probably wouldn't be happening without amiibo, but as many have pointed out there is no proof either way

Also an ongoing argument since horse armor.

 

[yuoke]

What specifically about the fusion hard mode are people upset about missing?

That it could potentially be harder than regular hard mode.

 

[SummitAve]

That it could potentially be harder than regular hard mode.

And if it's not?

 

[Madame M]

Well thats literally a different point to the one I was making, which is that it is ludicrous to state as an absolute fact that things were definitely going to be added anyway but then removed last minute to sell amiibos rather than added for the sake of giving amiibos something to do.

It's ludicrous to state as an absolute fact that the modes were added to give the amiibo something to do.

 

[Petrae]

That was bullshit as well.
But at least it wasn't tied to a ~$12 amiibo
Nor were an adaptor required to use if you had a fat PS3
And it also weren't in the game to begin with, meaning it was actual post release DLC.
If Nintendo offered Fusion mode for $5 I would get it, sure beats this situation.

And that's the thing. Had Nintendo put the DLC up on the eShop, so that everyone who bought the game would get a realistic and not-at-all-inflated-price-point shot at the extra content, it would be a bit more acceptable than this.

I wouldn't LIKE having to pay an extra $5 or whatever for this stuff, but I'd be more inclined to do so than to try and find one of those amiibo-- that are already sold out and what walk-in inventory will be left is gonna get snapped up by resellers with quickness.

 

[Scrawnton]

And if it's not?

Then they'll complain about sound test and art gallery content being amiibo locked.

 

[kpaadet]

I believe it's comparable in that the Metroid Prime unlock most likely wouldn't have happened without the game-link cable, and this fusion mode unlock probably wouldn't be happening without amiibo, but as many have pointed out there is no proof either way

Maybe the entire game wouldn't be possible without the profit Nintendo have made on amiibos, wow think about it. The hole reason we get a new 2D Metroid might be because of amiibos.

 

[JackelZXA]

I wonder if the fusion mode and ingame unlockable hard mode are identical.

 

[LordRaptor]

It's ludicrous to state as an absolute fact that the modes were added to give the amiibo something to do.

Which is something I didn't do. I was countering your assertion, not making one of my own.

 

[VDenter]

I believe it's comparable in that the Metroid Prime unlock most likely wouldn't have happened without the game-link cable, and this fusion mode unlock probably wouldn't be happening without amiibo, but as many have pointed out there is no proof either way

Did the link cable cost 15$?

Did the Fusion suit effect Gameplay in any way?

Was the Link cable next to impossible to find?

Did Nintendo continue to lock more and more content in future Nintendo games behind the link cable?

Oh it was still bad but not to this degree.

 

[boiled goose]

The Last of Us with Grounded Mode. $5 on PS3.

Megaman 9 .
Shovel knight

 

[HardRojo]

I see the defense force is still strong, simply because Nintendo. Holy shit, it's a freaking difficulty mode (harder than Hard it seems?) behind an amiibo, that's still shitty af.

Edit: And to the people bringing up The Last of Us, Grounded mode didn't come until later and it was included in the PS4 version, not sure whether the $5 for it on PS3 included something other than the new difficulty.