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[Jazzem]

I was looking for another of his reviews to watch and only found Star Wars and Trek ones shame i wanted to watch another.

His Titanic and Crystal Skull reviews are absolutely worth a look, they seem more divisive than his Star Wars Ep 1-3 ones but I think they have some of his best critique+analysis.

The Star Trek '09 video is great too even if you're not a fan of the series.

 

[AniHawk]

I was looking for another of his reviews to watch and only found Star Wars and Trek ones shame i wanted to watch another.

he also reviewed titanic, avatar, baby's day out, indiana jones 4, and cop dog

 

[phanphare]

I was looking for another of his reviews to watch and only found Star Wars and Trek ones shame i wanted to watch another.

he has a Titanic one and an Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull one as well

edit: what they said

his Titanic one is probably my favorite. he actually liked the movie so it's really interesting to see his take on why it worked.

 

[DrArchon]

Yeah, with their excuse being "no, no, we just wanted to have her eating something in that scene," I hear an implied "[didn't matter what she was eating, as long as we could collect some ad revenue from it]."

Yeah, they're 100% right when they say that shit like that doesn't get added to a film without going through a legion of lawyers. It was 100% calculated. It may have started out as an ad lib kind of thing, but to imply that it was spur of the moment is completely disingenuous.

And yeah, Sony's the worst about this. I can't remember where I saw it but it was a screenshot from some movie and it was a kid's bedroom and he had posters on his wall for Uncharted 4 and The Last Guardian and it's just like "Gee, I wonder who's behind this movie?"

 

[DavidDesu]

Watched half of this last night. Can't argue Sony are terrible at making movies and Feige is a bit of a hack. Ghostbusters wasn't what I expected and I'm still flabbergasted they decided to do this as a reboot, then completely seal the deal by casting the original actors as totally different characters... why Feig WHY!?

Having said that... I enjoyed the movie. My girlfriend who really loves the original and thought she was going to hate this, absolutely loves it. I dunno, for all its faults it's not bad and has some kick ass moments. If it hadn't had that ridiculous Kevin character it could've been even better.


Sure I'd have loved a better script, far less forgettable ad-libbing and something more visually in line with the old films, but it's not terrible (like so many love to claim it is). It's a far more enjoyable watch than many modern comedy and action films for me personally, and the hate definitely was riled up because it's Ghsotbusters.. and because it's women Ghostbusters.


Edit: Just remembered he makes at least two explicit references to Melissa McCarthy being fat and says "fatso". I do like his comedic review style but didn't see the sarcasm or wit in the way he mentioned that (twice in the first half of the video that I've seen). Was it a joke? Seemed just like he was being a dick for no good reason in the way it came across. Totally unnecessary and harsh.

 

[BatDan]

Yeah, they're 100% right when they say that shit like that doesn't get added to a film without going through a legion of lawyers. It was 100% calculated. It may have started out as an ad lib kind of thing, but to imply that it was spur of the moment is completely disingenuous.

And yeah, Sony's the worst about this. I can't remember where I saw it but it was a screenshot from some movie and it was a kid's bedroom and he had posters on his wall for Uncharted 4 and The Last Guardian and it's just like "Gee, I wonder who's behind this movie?"

That's the upcoming Jumanji movie. Since the majority of the movie takes place in a video game jungle, they probably want to get as much product placement into the first act as they can.

 

[Spieler Eins]

The Rich/Jack skits though... Thankfully they were minor, since that was some Nostalgia Critic-tier shlock.

 

[Marcel]

The Rich/Jack skits though... Thankfully they were minor, since that was some Nostalgia Critic-tier crap.

Let's not be ridiculous.

 

[gutter_trash]

I mean, Cinemassacre is his source of income, no? It's his profession.

Being self-employed doesn't make you not a professional.

selling crap on Ebay is a source of incoming, doesn't make one a "professional" salesman.

 

[Randam]

I cannot really approve of them slamming Spy, Bridesmaids, and Freaks & Geeks. Though maybe that's supposed to be more Plinkett's character?

What? He liked spy and said bridesmaids was a good movie.
He even wishes Kristen Wiig would have worked on the Ghostbusters script.


He also likes Melissa McCarthy.


Biggest problem is the script and all the improve.

 

[Astral Dog]

he has a Titanic one and an Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull one as well

edit: what they said

his Titanic one is probably my favorite. he actually liked the movie so it's really interesting to see his take on why it worked.

he also reviewed titanic, avatar, baby's day out, indiana jones 4, and cop dog

His Titanic and Crystal Skull reviews are absolutely worth a look, they seem more divisive than his Star Wars Ep 1-3 ones but I think they have some of his best critique+analysis.

The Star Trek '09 video is great too even if you're not a fan of the series.

Hmm ok thanks Indiana Jones ahould be interesting to see next

 

[EVOL 100%]

The edit of the dead body in the car joke was so good.

Which just made the original scene look that much worse

 

[Spieler Eins]

Hmm ok thanks Indiana Jones ahould be interesting to see next

Avatar is short and sweet.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

Watched half of this last night. Can't argue Sony are terrible at making movies and Feige is a bit of a hack. Ghostbusters wasn't what I expected and I'm still flabbergasted they decided to do this as a reboot, then completely seal the deal by casting the original actors as totally different characters... why Feig WHY!?

Having said that... I enjoyed the movie. My girlfriend who really loves the original and thought she was going to hate this, absolutely loves it. I dunno, for all its faults it's not bad and has some kick ass moments. If it hadn't had that ridiculous Kevin character it could've been even better.


Sure I'd have loved a better script, far less forgettable ad-libbing and something more visually in line with the old films, but it's not terrible (like so many love to claim it is). It's a far more enjoyable watch than many modern comedy and action films for me personally, and the hate definitely was riled up because it's Ghsotbusters.. and because it's women Ghostbusters.


Edit: Just remembered he makes at least two explicit references to Melissa McCarthy being fat and says "fatso". I do like his comedic review style but didn't see the sarcasm or wit in the way he mentioned that (twice in the first half of the video that I've seen). Was it a joke? Seemed just like he was being a dick for no good reason in the way it came across. Totally unnecessary and harsh.

Her weight is a source of comedy in these movies, it is like poor fart jokes and toilet humor etc. That's the point. Maybe if the writers and directors didn't do that and she wouldn't take those parts it wouldn't be as painful. He isn't fat shaming or hate overweight people. He also doesn't kill people in his basement or want to do the Olsen twins so I find it weird that you get offended first now.

 

[rashbeep]

Yeah, they're 100% right when they say that shit like that doesn't get added to a film without going through a legion of lawyers. It was 100% calculated. It may have started out as an ad lib kind of thing, but to imply that it was spur of the moment is completely disingenuous.

And yeah, Sony's the worst about this. I can't remember where I saw it but it was a screenshot from some movie and it was a kid's bedroom and he had posters on his wall for Uncharted 4 and The Last Guardian and it's just like "Gee, I wonder who's behind this movie?"

nothing tops the Chappie PS4 scene imo

 

[PSlayer]

Started watching it after a long hiatus on Red Letter Media and just kinda got bored.

I mean, it's just a terrible movie that has a lot of structure and writing problems. I don't see the reason on going on for an hour about it.

just like Star wars prequels then? I mean, the goal of this type of review is to break the movie piece by piece and explain why it didn't work, not to beat a dead horse.

Most people who hate those types of movies can't exactly define what is wrong with it outside of "it is boring" or "it is not funny". This type of review help to show in a more objective way what is wrong with the movie(even though this objectivity is hidden behind layers of irony and cynicism)

Anyway i liked the review and agreed with basically everything: Two hacks made an unecessary reboot for a company that will fund any crap hoping it sticks, all because Bill Murray spent the last 30 years cockblocking a so desired sequel.

 

[Sephzilla]

I think the reason the 2016 Ghostbusters went super improv crazy was because it's widely believed/known that Bill Murray ad-libbed a lot of Venkman's dialogue in the original Ghostbusters. But it was only Murray doing ad-libbing, the rest of the cast stuck to the script, and Murray mostly ad-libbed in a way that stayed in character.

So basically Fieg missed the point

 

[Pilgrimzero]

Movie was awful and an overly long SNL skit. I had high hopes and even watched it twice to see if it would grow on me but no, it's just awful.

 

[jetjevons]

My God. Do we ever love hating things these days. How did nerd culture become so vicious?

 

[Snarky(HEART)]

People who love movies and great entertaining analyzes of them.

People who really love shitting on Ghostbusters for some reason, more like.

I liked the review tho.

 

[facelike]

Good review and I agree with it. Poor job keeping the actors to a script and poor job creating characters to root for and care about. I think that if they had done a better job with the characters, the movie would have been fine.

 

[tkscz]

I was hoping to put this movie behind me. Haven't seen the review, but I honestly just found the movie just unfunny. Jokes stretched out too long and only 3 characters being likable. The villain was awful, the ending was awful, the fight scene was ok, but the ghost looks so bad to me.

 

[Sephzilla]

My God. Do we ever love hating things these days. How did nerd culture become so vicious?

Critiquing something =/= hating or being vicious on something

People forget that RLM/Plinkett have critiqued stuff they've liked as well

 

[The Hobo]

One of the biggest problems with the film is that almost no-one feels like a real person. They've all got this "wacky zany" moments that make them more like caricatures than actual people.

Pattie is the only person in the film who seems like a normal human.

 

[Blue Lou]

I'm not totally on board with the 'Pringles had to be signed off' idea. They didn't need consent to use the product.

 

[Discotheque]

think I might double bill this review with the old movie this weekend. should be fun.

haven't seen it in its entirety in a while. always just catch it on cable mid-airing.

 

[The Elite]

Critiquing something =/= hating or being vicious on something

People forget that RLM/Plinkett have critiqued stuff they've liked as well

They do a great job of backing their shit up. There is a reason the reviews are long. I agree that there is a lot of vicious random hating on the internet but when you look past the silly presentation there are some good points in these reviews.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

People who really love shitting on Ghostbusters for some reason, more like.

I liked the review tho.

Reason being many people were fans of the franchise and people don't like bad movies.

 

[PSlayer]

My God. Do we ever love hating things these days. How did nerd culture become so vicious?

And the alternative is what? being corporate shills like Collider that will praise everything geek related because "it has star wars in it! of course we gonna like it"

Spoiler

They literally said that once

Besides is not like RLM is the polar opposite.They criticize what they don't like,yes, but it is not like they hate everything.(they like most marvel movies,EP7 and Wonder Woman for instance)

 

[Marcel]

My God. Do we ever love hating things these days. How did nerd culture become so vicious?

This "Woe is nerd culture! How do we live with such hate?" tack is more cringeworthy than any sincere meltdowns on either "side" about the terrible Ghostbusters movie.

 

[guggnichso]

I think the reason the 2016 Ghostbusters went super improv crazy was because it's widely believed/known that Bill Murray ad-libbed a lot of Venkman's dialogue in the original Ghostbusters. But it was only Murray doing ad-libbing, the rest of the cast stuck to the script, and Murray mostly ad-libbed in a way that stayed in character.

So basically Fieg missed the point

There’s also no one really on the level of Murrayin movies today (well, except Murray) who can ad lib IN CHARACTER.

He’s a legend and rightfully so.

The cast of the 2016 Ghostbusters consisted of extremely talented and capable and fucking funny women. But the whole thing, the script, the premise, the director, the sfx, the fucking racist shit they pulled with Jones‘ character, it all made that movie so far worse than it should have been. It’s a shame, really.

 

[Sendero]

Edit: Just remembered he makes at least two explicit references to Melissa McCarthy being fat and says "fatso". I do like his comedic review style but didn't see the sarcasm or wit in the way he mentioned that (twice in the first half of the video that I've seen). Was it a joke? Seemed just like he was being a dick for no good reason in the way it came across. Totally unnecessary and harsh.

I haven't seen the movie, but did watch this and their Half in the Bag review.

They are very clearly criticizing the movie for resorting to crass & cheap humor, including fat jokes, instead of being a more restrained/cerebral type of comedy. In the other review, they wonder on why the movie was defended as being a positive force, when the film includes denigrating elements like that (Paul Blart and Adam Sandler's typical movies were lumped into that, as well).

 

[UncleSporky]

My God. Do we ever love hating things these days. How did nerd culture become so vicious?

Nothing new. Like, just one random example, criticism of F. Scott Fitzgerald and The Great Gatsby from 1925:

There may be those who like to read him. But why he should be called an author, or why any of us should behave as If he were, has never been explained satisfactorily to me.

Hardly different from saying "Feig is a hack who doesn't know what he's doing."

 

[Camwi]

I thought the review was great. I loved the shot at Bill Murray at the end.

 

[jetjevons]

And the alternative is what? being corporate shills like Collider that will praise everything geek related because "it has star wars in it! of course we gonna like it"

Spoiler

They literally said that once

Besides is not like RLM is the polar opposite.They criticize what they don't like,yes, but it is not like they hate everything.(they like most marvel movies,EP7 and Wonder Woman for instance)

Because somehow, at some point, unabridged criticism became "cool". It's far cooler to hate and deride something than just enjoy it on its own merits.

And I'll add, people have become so concerned with other people's regards of their online persona...

 

[Marcel]

Because somehow, at some point, unabridged criticism became "cool". It's far cooler to hate and deride something than just enjoy it on its own merits.

You must have a limited understanding of film writing and criticism if you think longform structure for a review is a new, cool thing.

 

[Veitsev]

Because somehow, at some point, unabridged criticism became "cool". It's far cooler to hate and deride something than just enjoy it on its own merits.

What if that thing has no merits to enjoy?

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

Because somehow, at some point, unabridged criticism became "cool". It's far cooler to hate and deride something than just enjoy it on its own merits.

True and redlettermedia isn't guilty of that.

Wanna see terrible nerd hate just visit the million Nolan and Batman threads on gaf or watch that YouTube guy that has a stopwatch and lists 1000 problems with a movie that don't make any sense and is more useless than Sony in the movie industry.

 

[Afrocious]

Because somehow, at some point, unabridged criticism became "cool". It's far cooler to hate and deride something than just enjoy it on its own merits.

This falls apart when you watch something and don't enjoy it, and you happen to know why you don't enjoy it.

Not everyone has to like everything. If that was the case, everything would be boring since nothing new would be made since everyone likes everything without criticism to makes things better.

 

[Snarky(HEART)]

True and redlettermedia isn't guilty of that.

Wanna see terrible nerd hate just visit the million Nolan and Batman threads on gaf or watch that YouTube guy that has a stopwatch and lists 1000 problems with a movie that don't make any sense and is more useless than Sony in the movie industry.

RLM themselves are totally fine. Their fans, not quite. Or maybe it's just YouTube that sucks idk

 

[UncleSporky]

Because somehow, at some point, unabridged criticism became "cool". It's far cooler to hate and deride something than just enjoy it on its own merits.

I'm gonna need to see some statistics on this. There are plenty of movies (TV shows, video games, books, music) that DON'T have multiple takedown videos about how terrible they are, which are in fact enjoyed on their own merits. You're just not thinking about them because they come and go so often that you forget about them, since no high emotion is associated with them.

So much media is being produced that something historically bad comes out every week. You're just not focusing on the 100 good or middling things that come out the same week.

 

[Cow Mengde]

RLM themselves are totally fine. Their fans, not quite. Or maybe it's just YouTube that sucks idk

Yeah, sometimes it's the fans that ruin things.

 

[Sephzilla]

Because somehow, at some point, unabridged criticism became "cool". It's far cooler to hate and deride something than just enjoy it on its own merits.

It's possible to enjoy something and acknowledge and critique it for its flaws.

 

[ronaldthump]

They do a great job of backing their shit up. There is a reason the reviews are long. I agree that there is a lot of vicious random hating on the internet but when you look past the silly presentation there are some good points in these reviews.

agreed.

the review isn't random shit. its all backed up properly. It doesn't make GB2016 look bad. The movie does plenty to do so by itself. I really loathed it.

I'd forgotten the queffing joke in GB2016. They're right "this is meant to be funny?".

 

[Marcel]

RLM themselves are totally fine. Their fans, not quite. Or maybe it's just YouTube that sucks idk

Protip: Racists, misogynists, and general purpose assholes may watch and enjoy the same things you do and you probably shouldn't overly worry about it.

 

[PSlayer]

Because somehow, at some point, unabridged criticism became "cool". It's far cooler to hate and deride something than just enjoy it on its own merits.

Is this the case of this review though? Besides the Plinket characterization,the video didn't spent an hour saying "GB2016 sucks,am i right?!11"

It actually went in depth explain what didn't work and why,it also pointed out questionable "writing" decisions like the fact that everybody is always talking loudly at the same time and ad-libing because reason?!

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

RLM themselves are totally fine. Their fans, not quite. Or maybe it's just YouTube that sucks idk

Their fans are a meme within a meme lol

I am also a fan of RLM and they are really nice and great guys, avoid YouTube comments always!

 

[Admiral Woofington]

RLM themselves are totally fine. Their fans, not quite. Or maybe it's just YouTube that sucks idk

Redlettermedia fans are fine, go to reddit and you'd see the grand majority are just posting red letter media memes.

YouTube on the other hand regardless of show has turned into shit. Go to Rick and morty videos from season 3 where people are complaining the show hiring more women to write is god awful.

 

[Veitsev]

LOL at judging a fanbase by youtube comments. If you have a problem with RLM fans how about you directly criticize the ones in this very thread. There are plenty.

 

[jetjevons]

This falls apart when you watch something and don't enjoy it, and you happen to know why you don't enjoy it.

Not everyone has to like everything. If that was the case, everything would be boring since nothing new would be made since everyone likes everything without criticism to makes things better.

This reasoning falls apart when you realize some people DO enjoy thing you don't like. Like Valerian or whatever. People RARELY post "I just didn't enjoy it" versus "It's complete shit. Hate." If a majority of your posts are critical, not complimentary maybe take a step back. Think about why you're posting in the first place.