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[Sunster]

"Muslims = Nazis" whooooo what a thread

 

[JohnMatrix]

I don't understand why this is controversial

It's just made the news here in Australia

umm.... 20 years ago, 40 years ago, as far back in the post war era as you wanna go, anyone wandering around with a swastika on would be asking for trouble, it's not shocking at all that someone got punched for doing that, I thought it was common knowledge

 

[Gordon Shumway]

If someone with an ISIS armband was screaming on the street corner about beheading people then we'd all be happy about him getting punched in the face.

If someone went into a southern Baptist church and started punching people because of Nazis then we wouldn't support that.

It's not even at all hard to understand.

Stop making sense, Schneider..

 

[Vamphuntr]

Do you find it unreasonable?

I have no issues with it myself. But I don't think I would be strong enough to do it. I was bullied for a long time and always wondered if fighting back would have worked but sometimes when I see shooting from ostracized kids in school I feel sick to my stomach.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

"Muslims = Nazis" whooooo what a thread

BLM around the corner..

 

[jiiikoo]

If. You. Say. Only. Violent. Mobs. Can. Stop. Violent. Movements. Then. That. Also. Applies. Here.

To be honest, are we really engaging in rational discussion with ISIS at the moment? I guess those bombs they're dropping on them are truth bombs, not actual bombs.

EDIT: Thankfully you were banned.

 

[Lois_Lane]

BLM around the corner..

What I found horrifying is that it took a good page before people called him out on this. A Muslim is not an automatic ISIS member anymore than a Christian is not an automatic KKK member. This all revolting.

 

[Mr. X]

white supremacist continue random murders of minorities, sometimes on the clock as a LEO, but a nazi gets punched for instigating and provoking and everyone is concerned about the moral fiber of our society.

 

[Breads]

I'm not as eloquent as many others here. I just joined neogaf for the games, maybe I should've stayed away from this thread. I just don't think that violence is the answer, celebrating it is not right, Imo.

This naive and unhelpful stance is how nazi ideology passively spreads. Their views are a deadly threat that has tanked nations. You should treat it as such and that you do not goes in their favor and no one else's.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

So Wong thinks Muslims are equivalent to Nazis, no surprise there lol

and he said virtually no white supremacists hold office!!


boy, that Cracked sure is a hoot lmao

 

[Dishwalla]

White supremacists stick together and gaf is very white. Even white people who don't consider themselves white supremacists are clearly concerned about losing the privilege to enforce their social dominance over others, as evidenced by soooo many posts in this and other like threads. Nazis getting punched shakes white people like nothing else.

The insinuation in this post is insane. I'm white as fuck, punch all the damn Nazis you can. Don't use the broad brush though.

 

[NoRéN]

white supremacist continue random murders of minorities, sometimes on the clock as a LEO, but a nazi gets punched for instigating and provoking and everyone is concerned about the moral fiber of our society.

lol fucking seriously. It's a damn shame.

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

Virtually no open white supremacists hold office in the USA, even though tens of thousands would like to.

See Trump.

 

[CanUKlehead]

So in this one situation of a visible, obvious Nazi walking around one of the most left wing cities in America harrassing people--If him getting ko'd wasn't an appropriate response...what is?

Do we let just let him do his thing? I'm relatively anti-violence, but I've grown up to know nuance and, well, 'si vis pacem, para bellum'.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

 

[David H Wong]

That's actually what I want to know. What should have been their punishment? Germany committed Nazi atrocities for over a decade. If you are guilty for wearing the symbol without taking part in the "violence" what should be your punishment? You said earlier that Nazi should all be wiped from the earth.

I'm not trolling and nor I'm calling you disgusting for not sharing your view about violence so calm down.

And here's the thing - the world actually faced that scenario and those random German citizens who went along with the Nazis actually changed their minds and formed a progressive society. Nazis aren't a different species, they didn't arrive here from another planet. They're people who didn't used to be Nazis, and at some point in the future may not be any longer.

I want Nazis "wiped out" but not in the sense that I want the termites under my house "wiped out." I want them to stop being Nazis. And it happens all the time! People change. But suggesting that only mob violence will change their minds is like suggesting that the death of Heather Heyer will end the movement to get rid of Confederate statues. You know, because violence is how you convince people, right? We're all so scared off by her death that we've dropped the cause?

OR did she become a rallying cry? So what the hell do you think is going to happen the first time some dipshit with a tiki torch gets killed, because the fight got out of hand? You honestly think that makes the racists standing around him realize they're wrong?

If you're not talking about killing them in actual military combat, then you have to think in terms of what actually works in terms of how extremists movements are stopped. And they are stopped - that's how we have a functioning society. Here's a hint: it's not violent mobs on the "good" side.

 

[Tecnniqe]

White supremacists stick together and gaf is very white. Even white people who don't consider themselves white supremacists are clearly concerned about losing the privilege to enforce their social dominance over others, as evidenced by soooo many posts in this and other like threads. Nazis getting punched shakes white people like nothing else.

#AllWhitePeople

Spoiler

Watching Nazis get punched is my favorite sport

 

[Breads]

So Wong thinks Muslims are equivalent to Nazis, no surprise there lol

I thought nazis were catholic though.

 

[Lois_Lane]

And here's the thing - the world actually faced that scenario and those random German citizens who went along with the Nazis actually changed their minds and formed a progressive society. Nazis aren't a different species, they didn't arrive here from another planet. They're people who didn't used to be Nazis, and at some point in the future may not be any longer.

I want Nazis "wiped out" but not in the sense that I want the termites under my house "wiped out." I want them to stop being Nazis. And it happens all the time! People change. But suggesting that only mob violence will change their minds is like suggesting that the death of Heather Heyer will end the movement to get rid of Confederate statues. You know, because violence is how you convince people, right? We're all so scared off by her death that we've dropped the cause?

OR did she become a rallying cry? So what the hell do you think is going to happen the first time some dipshit with a tiki torch gets killed, because the fight got out of hand? You honestly think that makes the racists standing around him realize they're wrong?

If you're not talking about killing them in actual military combat, then you have to think in terms of what actually works in terms of how extremists movements are stopped. And they are stopped - that's how we have a functioning society. Here's a hint: it's not violent mobs on the "good" side.

LOL. Bye.

 

[watershed]

The insinuation in this post is insane. I'm white as fuck, punch all the damn Nazis you can. Don't use the broad brush though.

What insinuation? That white people as a social group are complicit in white supremacy and silently enjoy the benefits and privileges it creates in a deeply unequal society like the US?

 

[Ozigizo]

Muslims and Nazis, brought to you by The Moderates(TM)

Everytime, like fucking clockwork.

 

[FyreWulff]

I would argue Charlottesville demonstrated pretty conclusively the US is not remotely at risk of becoming a candidate for ethnic cleansing, even if it is so fucked up that it elected an incompetent, racist buffoon who was indifferent to what happened. Basically the entire country condemned that shit, even if Trump was limp.

The Japanese internment camps, the genocide of black people in Tulsa, and the well documented efforts to sterilize black and native communities says otherwise.

The US government has sterilized ONE THIRD of women in Puerto Rico.

ONE.

THIRD.

 

[FUME5]

Damn it, I was interested in his response.

 

[Rmagnus]

Having read through most of the thread I am curious to know what the so called non violent ways to approach a Nazi? Another thing for the people proposing such an approach are you the people whom the Nazi are threatening to harm

 

[sirap]

So Wong thinks Muslims are equivalent to Nazis, no surprise there lol

and he said virtually no white supremacists hold office!!


boy, that Cracked sure is a hoot lmao

i'm shocked. Shocked!

I want Nazis "wiped out" but not in the sense that I want the termites under my house "wiped out." I want them to stop being Nazis. And it happens all the time! People change. But suggesting that only mob violence will change their minds is like suggesting that the death of Heather Heyer will end the movement to get rid of Confederate statues. You know, because violence is how you convince people, right? We're all so scared off by her death that we've dropped the cause?

Nazi got KO'd, woke up, immediately took his armband off and shut the fuck up. In this case I'd say it was pretty effective.

 

[Mr. X]

The insinuation in this post is insane. I'm white as fuck, punch all the damn Nazis you can. Don't use the broad brush though.

#AllWhitePeople

Spoiler

Watching Nazis get punched is my favorite sport

Like how your friend complains about all men/women, you don't need to immediately get defensive and say how much that isn't you.

 

[EviLore]

Let's be really, really clear on one thing. Tolerating these viewpoints is not acceptable. And I'm not just talking about the full blown Nazis, with the swastikas and all. It's the underlying shit that's seen as acceptable that enables it, and the pervasive racism. There is to be no defending it. Just because I believe that reacting with violence is not the answer doesn't mean that isn't one of the very few things that I feel so strongly about.

What is zero tolerance, though? I don't believe they should be left unchallenged. I don't believe they should be left in any doubt that no right minded person supports them. I draw the line this side of punching them in what appears to have been a premeditated attack rather than a heat of the moment reaction to harassment. I completely understand people on the other side of that line, I just can't condone it myself, and I believe that it is the wrong thing to do, morally and practically. Maybe you believe that punching him was a right thing to do. How about shooting him dead? That's another possibility that meets all the criteria people are raising. It's certainly zero tolerance. It's a sign to other Nazis that they aren't safe. Probably a step too far for a lot of people, though. But I bet you'd find some support for it too.

I don't feel sympathy for the Nazi. But at the same time I don't think this sort of attack is the right thing to do, or that it's a constructive thing to do.

And I'm not sure how I feel about my de-modding either; I can understand why it happened, and it saddens me a bit, but hey. Shit happens. Would quite like a chat about it with EviLore. Not to ask for it back - I'd argue against that if he suggested it - but because he's someone whose opinion I respect enough that I want to make sure he understands where I'm actually coming from on this one, and that it maybe isn't quite what first impressions may suggest.

I demodded you.

Never going to condone this shit. If you think that violently assaulting someone solely for their political views - however reprehensible they might be - is okay, then you are not one of the good guys. Even the person who may or may not have been responsible for this happening is refusing to identify himself - because he believes that exactly the same will happen to him, at the hands of someone who thinks his political position is unacceptable.

This is my understanding of the events that transpired: a man bearing a Nazi Party armband (thus self-identifying with an organization advocating for and previously successfully engaged in mass ethnic genocide, and currently seeing a resurgence specifically for those reasons) walked through downtown Seattle accosting bystanders with hate speech and racial slurs. One of these bystanders confronted him. The Nazi continued by beckoning the bystander to escalate physically. The bystander responded by punching him once, rendering him unconscious, and walked away.

With the "violently assaulting someone solely for their political views" and the "not one of the good guys" lines, you're telling me that when you look at this scene, by contrast, you merely see a victim of unjust violent assault (the Nazi), and a bad guy (the bystander). Further, you've repeatedly claimed that the punch was premeditated, invoked it as a slippery slope to shooting people over political disagreement, and erroneously reframed it as a form of attempted murder.

There's no way for me to reconcile those positions with your continued representation of the site.

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

And here's the thing - the world actually faced that scenario and those random German citizens who went along with the Nazis actually changed their minds and formed a progressive society. Nazis aren't a different species, they didn't arrive here from another planet. They're people who didn't used to be Nazis, and at some point in the future may not be any longer.

I needed a good laugh.

 

[Dishwalla]

What insinuation? That white people as a social group are complicit in white supremacy and silently enjoy the benefits and privileges it creates in a deeply unequal society like the US?

Well for one thing saying "Nazis getting punched shakes white people like nothing else" is bullshit. Your overall point is valid yes, but you are still using a broad brush to paint a situation that isn't entirely there, plenty of white people cheering on the knocking out of nazis.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Like how your friend complains about all men/women, you don't need to immediately get defensive and say how much that isn't you.

Ahh ok. I'll let you live in a bubble where it's ok to broadstroke all people of a certain color then.

 

[Agremont]

Another thing to think about is what would have happened if it was the other way around. One regular dude surrounded by nazis. He'd get clocked and then they'd jump up and down on his head until he stopped breathing.

Like I said earlier, the nazi fuck got off easy really.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

What I found horrifying is that it took a good page before people called him out on this. A Muslim is not an automatic ISIS member anymore than a Christian is not an automatic KKK member. This all revolting.

In your world? Sure..

 

[Tarydax]

And here's the thing - the world actually faced that scenario and those random German citizens who went along with the Nazis actually changed their minds and formed a progressive society. Nazis aren't a different species, they didn't arrive here from another planet. They're people who didn't used to be Nazis, and at some point in the future may not be any longer.

I want Nazis "wiped out" but not in the sense that I want the termites under my house "wiped out." I want them to stop being Nazis. And it happens all the time! People change. But suggesting that only mob violence will change their minds is like suggesting that the death of Heather Heyer will end the movement to get rid of Confederate statues. You know, because violence is how you convince people, right? We're all so scared off by her death that we've dropped the cause?

OR did she become a rallying cry? So what the hell do you think is going to happen the first time some dipshit with a tiki torch gets killed, because the fight got out of hand? You honestly think that makes the racists standing around him realize they're wrong?

If you're not talking about killing them in actual military combat, then you have to think in terms of what actually works in terms of how extremists movements are stopped. And they are stopped - that's how we have a functioning society. Here's a hint: it's not violent mobs on the "good" side.

You're disgusting.

 

[bunbun777]

"The more our adversaries believe they can obstruct our development by employing a degree of terror that is characteristic of their nature, the more they encourage it. Nietzsche said that a blow which does not kill a strong man only makes him stronger, and his words are confirmed a thousand times. Every blow strengthens our defiance, every persecution reinforces our single-minded determination, and the elements that do fall are good riddance to the movement.”

-Adolph Hitler


"Love is the only way to grasp another human being in the innermost core of his personality. No one can become fully aware of the very essence of another human being unless he loves him. By his love he is enabled to see the essential traits and features in the beloved person; and even more, he sees that which is potential in him, which is not yet actualized but yet ought to be actualized. Furthermore, by his love, the loving person enables the beloved person to actualize these potentialities. By making him aware of what he can be and of what he should become, he makes these potentialities come true."

-Viktor E Frankl

I wish it was as simple as just punching the problem away. Or putting a bullet in it. I do not condone acts of hate by choosing to not be violent, I condone those acts because of my indifference.

 

[Lois_Lane]

"The more our adversaries believe they can obstruct our development by employing a degree of terror that is characteristic of their nature, the more they encourage it. Nietzsche said that a blow which does not kill a strong man only makes him stronger, and his words are confirmed a thousand times. Every blow strengthens our defiance, every persecution reinforces our single-minded determination, and the elements that do fall are good riddance to the movement."

-Adolph Hitler


"Love is the only way to grasp another human being in the innermost core of his personality. No one can become fully aware of the very essence of another human being unless he loves him. By his love he is enabled to see the essential traits and features in the beloved person; and even more, he sees that which is potential in him, which is not yet actualized but yet ought to be actualized. Furthermore, by his love, the loving person enables the beloved person to actualize these potentialities. By making him aware of what he can be and of what he should become, he makes these potentialities come true."

-Viktor E Frankl

I wish it was as simple as just punching the problem away. Or putting a bullet in it. I do not condone acts of hate by choosing to not be violent, I condone those acts because of my indifference.

The only reason Frankl survived the Holocaust is because we slapped the Reich so hard Hitler killed himself. Try again.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

You intentionally dodged the point because you know you're wrong. If you truly see these as the same as the guys we fought in World War II, you wouldn't be talking about punches - you'd be talking about bombs. Do you support that? Do you support killing them on sight, as if we were in a combat zone?

If not, then yeah, there apparently is nuance in how we react, because we're just talking about mild physical violence and not drone strikes. When you say, "We always treat Nazis the same!" you're saying something you know isn't true. No, we have never treated hate mongers or extreme right politicians the same as we treat uniformed soldiers in a combat zone.

So now that we've agreed on that, let's talk about how we do want to treat them. But remember that 99.9% of the racist/nationalist movements in the world have been put down by peaceful means - David Duke holds no power because he lost one election after another. It required no war to stop him - just public mockery and people going to the polls. Virtually no open white supremacists hold office in the USA, even though tens of thousands would like to. They run for city council, mayor, governor, and they lose. Not at the hands of armed mobs, but because they just fail to sway public opinion or to get donors.

Sorry if that doesn't satisfy the easy dopamine rush of violence, but the vast majority of time, that's what victory looks like.

A. Saying that 99.9% of racist/nationalist movements were put down by peaceful means is straight up fake news. Like that doesn't even make sense. WW2, where a huge amount of Allied soldiers died to fight against Nazism and facism? Are you talking about when the racists/nationalists won, like the Armenian Genocide? Those racist ideologies still exist to this day. How were they 'put down'?

B. Again the idea of 'peaceful' movements is some nostalgia, no other way about it, atleast as far as I know, in the US. For example, The Stonewall Riots were violent. There are tons of examples throughout history.

C. Are you ignoring Trump and his cohorts of Breitbart fuckers in the damn White House? Are you ignoring the large amounts of Police Chiefs, Sheriffs, individual officers, etc, who are getting away with legit torture and murder? What about the gerrymandering in every single state used to supress the minority vote? No 'open' white supremists, my ass. A volunteer firefighter had to be voted to be removed after saying he'd rather rescue a dog than black people.

 

[obijkenobi]

A. Saying that 99.9% of racist/nationalist movements were put down by peaceful means is straight up fake news. Like that doesn't even make sense. WW2, where a huge amount of Allied soldiers died to fight against Nazism and facism? Are you talking about when the racists/nationalists won, like the Armenian Genocide? Those racist ideologies still exist to this day. How were they 'put down'?

B. Again the idea of 'peaceful' movements is some nostalgia, no other way about it, atleast as far as I know, in the US. For example, The Stonewall Riots were violent. There are tons of examples throughout history.

C. Are you ignoring Trump and his cohorts of Breitbart fuckers in the damn White House? Are you ignoring the large amounts of Police Chiefs, Sheriffs, individual officers, etc, who are getting away with legit torture and murder? What about the gerrymandering in every single state used to supress the minority vote? No 'open' white supremists, my ass. A volunteer firefighter had to be voted to be removed by vote after saying he'd rather rescue a dog than black people.

To add to point C, Trump literally pardoned a racist sheriff who tortured Latinos like me before the dude was even sentenced.

 

[Autoignition]

"The more our adversaries believe they can obstruct our development by employing a degree of terror that is characteristic of their nature, the more they encourage it. Nietzsche said that a blow which does not kill a strong man only makes him stronger, and his words are confirmed a thousand times. Every blow strengthens our defiance, every persecution reinforces our single-minded determination, and the elements that do fall are good riddance to the movement."

-Adolph Hitler


"Love is the only way to grasp another human being in the innermost core of his personality. No one can become fully aware of the very essence of another human being unless he loves him. By his love he is enabled to see the essential traits and features in the beloved person; and even more, he sees that which is potential in him, which is not yet actualized but yet ought to be actualized. Furthermore, by his love, the loving person enables the beloved person to actualize these potentialities. By making him aware of what he can be and of what he should become, he makes these potentialities come true."

-Viktor E Frankl

I wish it was as simple as just punching the problem away. Or putting a bullet in it. I do not condone acts of hate by choosing to not be violent, I condone those acts because of my indifference.

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

- Martin Luther King, Jr.

Your indifference makes you complicit. Also, you're using "condone" wrong. You mean "condemn."

 

[Heshinsi]

Because the Nazis of the WWII era actually committed mass murders and went to war to defend their right to it and this is a racist bigot that unless I'm wrong didn't murder anyone. Let's say North America do like Germany and ban the use of the Nazi symbols . If a guy like him starts bullying minorities about and start talking about white supremacy do you beat him up too? That's what I'm trying to understand. Yes let's quote me saying I'm defending Nazis and that I approve the shooting of minorities by cops.

I'm fine with hunting down and giving the long awaited death penalty to Nazi war criminals that escaped justice through hiding around the world. I'm just not sure beating up people for wearing a symbol is a good idea.

Germans didn't wake up one day and suddenly have Nazis running the place, you do know that right? It started small; a few rallies here and there. Then it got bigger, they got bolder, and eventually they weaselled their way into the political arena. History has already shown us what happens when you let these fucks walk around the place and normalise them. Why on earth do we want to repeat the same idiotic pattern? No, fuck Nazis. It's as simple as that.

 

[jayu26]

I have no issues with it myself. But I don't think I would be strong enough to do it. I was bullied for a long time and always wondered if fighting back would have worked but sometimes when I see shooting from ostracized kids in school I feel sick to my stomach.

If you are going to engage in a fight be ready for what might come back at you. School yard fights are dangerous enough but these Nazis fucks carry around guns. However, standing up to a bully is the only way to get them to back off. Point is, pick your fights carefully and by legally means if possible.

 

[watershed]

Well for one thing saying "Nazis getting punched shakes white people like nothing else" is bullshit. Your overall point is valid yes, but you are still using a broad brush to paint a situation that isn't entirely there, plenty of white people cheering on the knocking out of nazis.

Read the post I was responding to. Threads about violence against people of color get little traction because it is normal and too many are simply unconcerned. A thread about a Nazi getting punched (we've had many) or PewPie whatever saying nigger and posters come out of the woodwork to concern troll, defend the random white dude who clearly did something awful, or otherwise express their discomfort. If you think that's an insinuation and not an observation of reality then you're not in the same threads I am. I'm using a "broad brush" because when it comes to race I will never not keep race at the center of the discussion. The white guy this thread is about was harassing black people on the bus and intentionally aligns himself with an ideology of mass genocide and racial superiority.

 

[The Kree]

"The more our adversaries believe they can obstruct our development by employing a degree of terror that is characteristic of their nature, the more they encourage it. Nietzsche said that a blow which does not kill a strong man only makes him stronger, and his words are confirmed a thousand times. Every blow strengthens our defiance, every persecution reinforces our single-minded determination, and the elements that do fall are good riddance to the movement."

-Adolph Hitler


"Love is the only way to grasp another human being in the innermost core of his personality. No one can become fully aware of the very essence of another human being unless he loves him. By his love he is enabled to see the essential traits and features in the beloved person; and even more, he sees that which is potential in him, which is not yet actualized but yet ought to be actualized. Furthermore, by his love, the loving person enables the beloved person to actualize these potentialities. By making him aware of what he can be and of what he should become, he makes these potentialities come true."

-Viktor E Frankl

I wish it was as simple as just punching the problem away. Or putting a bullet in it. I do not condone acts of hate by choosing to not be violent, I condone those acts because of my indifference.

"Damn, they whooped our asses so bad I had to shoot myself in the mouth."

-Adolf Hitler

I dunno, seems like a simple case of rinse and repeat in 2017.

 

[Qvoth]

dayum that's a good straight

 

[cdyhybrid]

"The more our adversaries believe they can obstruct our development by employing a degree of terror that is characteristic of their nature, the more they encourage it. Nietzsche said that a blow which does not kill a strong man only makes him stronger, and his words are confirmed a thousand times. Every blow strengthens our defiance, every persecution reinforces our single-minded determination, and the elements that do fall are good riddance to the movement.”

-Adolph Hitler


"Love is the only way to grasp another human being in the innermost core of his personality. No one can become fully aware of the very essence of another human being unless he loves him. By his love he is enabled to see the essential traits and features in the beloved person; and even more, he sees that which is potential in him, which is not yet actualized but yet ought to be actualized. Furthermore, by his love, the loving person enables the beloved person to actualize these potentialities. By making him aware of what he can be and of what he should become, he makes these potentialities come true."

-Viktor E Frankl

I wish it was as simple as just punching the problem away. Or putting a bullet in it. I do not condone acts of hate by choosing to not be violent, I condone those acts because of my indifference.

Man, if only someone had told Eisenhower this.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

dayum that's a good straight

 

[Humidex]

Good throw there, and a completely deserved one at that.

 

[bunbun777]

The only reason Frankl survived the Holocaust is because we slapped the Reich so hard Hitler killed himself. Try again.

Believe it or not convincing you or anyone else is not my motivation. But expressing my belief is. You don't get to win, you are not going to lose. You either value it or throw it in the rubbish bin.

 

[Crimsonlink]

WTF the vid is down for bullying?!? Really?

 

[MikeyB]

I needed a good laugh.

Read up on the sociology of how a people can get conditioned for mass killing. They are normal people who slowly become approving of and used to mass killing.

Jonathan Glover's Humanity is a relatively easy read and points out commonalities in the Armenian genocide, the Holocaust, Stalin and Mao's massacres, the Khmer Rouge, the Balkans, and the Rwandan conflict.

You're no doubt a better person than any of those who took part in those atrocities, but that's a good bit of luck of not being born into those societies. That doesn't mean you aren't righteous, just that being righteous has a lot to do with luck.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

To add to point C, Trump literally pardoned a racist sheriff who tortured Latinos like me before the dude was even sentenced.

Exactly, he kept them in literal concentration camps (which were his own words!) and was still pardoned. Where is the justice for his victims?? As long as these fucks are in power, Nazis have won, to a certain extent.

God dammit. This stuff is so draining.

 

[Lois_Lane]

Believe it or not convincing you or anyone else is not my motivation. But expressing my belief is. You don't get to win, you are not going to lose. You either value it or throw it in the rubbish bin.

Value what? Your belief is a weak one and isn't going to save anyone if the Nazis get what they want. Love doesn't stop bullets.