BadManEd
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spot on, coudn't agree more.
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spot on, coudn't agree more.
In your case, it's both. Hopefully you will avail yourself of more context and information before you puff up your chest to say how much you don't care, at least for appearances sake.
So this is your answer, Evilore.
Game over man, game over. How incredibly disappointing.
Not what you might or might not have done, or to what degree, or even how often. That's a proper stinker on its own.
However, I vehemently disagree both with your handling of this event, and the current outcome. I really don't need to go into detail any more than this, it has been regurgitated again and again in this thread.
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Well, for the sake of all the good memories and fun I had, I wish y'all the best. Good luck and have fun everyone. o7
Game over man, game over. How incredibly disappointing.
Not what you might or might not have done, or to what degree, or even how often. That's a proper stinker on its own.
However, I vehemently disagree both with your handling of this event, and the current outcome. I really don't need to go into detail any more than this, it has been regurgitated again and again in this thread.
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Well, for the sake of all the good memories and fun I had, I wish y'all the best. Good luck and have fun everyone. o7
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
In the interest of clarity, and since moderation is now being handed by untagged staffers, I'd like to say that I'm one of the mods who have decided to step out. I'm going to dearly miss out the euro politics threads and the people at the CW/Cinemax OTs being crazier than a bag of wet cats (in a good way). Huge thanks to all the folks who made NeoGAF an awesome community for so many people, over so many years. You are/were the best.
ChackanKun
Member
Even if my voice is one in a few thousand, specially in a place as big as NeoGAF, I'm still going to lay here my 5cents.
I'm not going to comment on what happened or did not happen between EvilLore and the girl. I do not know the story, I do not know EvilLore and I certainly do not know the girl in question. So, I do not pass judgment.
I do know that things on the Internet travel too fast and the voice of anonymity speaks too loud so things get out of hand and people loose touch with reality.
This being said, I've been on NeoGAF for almost a decade and it has become my main website, not only for news but also diverse discussions.
The Gaming side was where I had most presence, but the Off-Topic also had some interesting topics I used to check. It is a gaming website in it's core and genesis, so I understand the "going back to the roots" thing, if it is to demote toxic behavior.
I do worry that the community went too much bezerk and things will fall apart.
Let's wait and see.
I'm not going to comment on what happened or did not happen between EvilLore and the girl. I do not know the story, I do not know EvilLore and I certainly do not know the girl in question. So, I do not pass judgment.
I do know that things on the Internet travel too fast and the voice of anonymity speaks too loud so things get out of hand and people loose touch with reality.
This being said, I've been on NeoGAF for almost a decade and it has become my main website, not only for news but also diverse discussions.
The Gaming side was where I had most presence, but the Off-Topic also had some interesting topics I used to check. It is a gaming website in it's core and genesis, so I understand the "going back to the roots" thing, if it is to demote toxic behavior.
I do worry that the community went too much bezerk and things will fall apart.
Let's wait and see.
I never said the shower move was okay based on the follow up events.
What I did imply is that the story doesn't add up as easily as some would like it to.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Ah. I've been here for 10 years, been banned a few times justifiably so. NeoGaf I believe has helped me become a better person and broadened my views and beliefs on race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality and many other things. It's disheartening to see it come to this though it isn't completely surprising. I have posted far less frequently of late because of a general feeling of unease.
There does seem to be a history with the persons involved so these allegations should be taken seriously. That said "innocent until proven guilty" is still a thing even though as of late it's seems to be the other way around. I'll probably not post anymore going forward though I do use GAF to get my gaming news. Hopefully it doesn't devolve into what Gaffers have fought hard against and hopefully the people in charge are half as good as the people who post here and practice what is preached.
There does seem to be a history with the persons involved so these allegations should be taken seriously. That said "innocent until proven guilty" is still a thing even though as of late it's seems to be the other way around. I'll probably not post anymore going forward though I do use GAF to get my gaming news. Hopefully it doesn't devolve into what Gaffers have fought hard against and hopefully the people in charge are half as good as the people who post here and practice what is preached.
Questions:
1) Why does every browser warn me that there's no secure login on this site? Fuck that shit.
2) If it truly is just a false accusation, why did you, EL, take such drastic measures in silencing the community instead of saying that from day 1? (If this has been answered, link me to the post(s), I'm not crawling through 57 pages)
3) Did you save the archives? The one full of all those quality posts. If not, then why the fuck not?
Grazie
1) Why does every browser warn me that there's no secure login on this site? Fuck that shit.
2) If it truly is just a false accusation, why did you, EL, take such drastic measures in silencing the community instead of saying that from day 1? (If this has been answered, link me to the post(s), I'm not crawling through 57 pages)
3) Did you save the archives? The one full of all those quality posts. If not, then why the fuck not?
Grazie
Hypnosekroete
Member
I like the new direction and i honestly dont give a fuck what forum owners, movie makers, streamers or other people do in their private time
Muffin1611
Banned
Was news to me too, which makes it just the more disturbing that that went unnoticed for so long.
Was always nice seeing you and discussing with you in those threads!
You never have been allowed to swear at Tyler or mods. He will get banned.
Other points he made are valid though. For me OT was the main reason. Like a sort of RSS feed of news, but diverse news, all important things showed up there. And my favourite topics like F1...
Seraph_Nicholas
Member
Appearances sake? Who am I trying to impress here? I specifically stated in my first post that it was time to let myself be honest and see if I'll survive in the new GAF. So, here's my honesty. Evilore is pretty bad with women. What he did is deserving of light correction (FROM THOSE CLOSE TO HIM), but it's not bad enough to warrant this kind of reaction.
And I still don't give a shit about a site admin's game level! Moreover, I'm pretty goddamn sure he's learned all kinds of lessons after this, so what even is the objection?
This is not 'rape'. This is social awkwardness. If there's anywhere on the entire great green Internet that should be understanding about that, it's Neogaf.
Christ.
Well now...
With all of this happening over the weekend, the first thought that came up was "man, where am I getting my gaming news now?" Because even with all this happening, the reason I like GAF are videogames and its the only sizeable community who play some smaller releases. I love that. It's about the community, not just one person. The people and cool OT's kept me here. Well and the betrayalton threads ha.
Still, I can't help but wonder if this is the best course of action for the forum. I will refrain from discussion on the accusations, because really, lots of folks already voiced my own thoughts in a better way than I ever could. Still, I want to say the handling of the situation is quite poor and you made the wrong choices. I absolutely disagree with the new policy for the OT and how mods will work from now on. To clarify, I only casually check the OT, but you just can't outright deny discussion about certain topics. I know discussion on subjects like politics, equality and the like can be exhausting and very hard to moderate, but that shouldn't be a good reason to outright forbid it. I assume even with this change of policy I believe many members will still try to voice their concerns about these topics.
While I absolutely understand that some mods called it quits after being targeted by posters and even invaded in their private channels like Facebook, I believe this isyour fault because of your lack of action. While there are always idiots who think it's perfectly fine to bother moderaters from a website in very inappropriate ways, I think this happened because the set of rules that were made didn't help. Another important point, making mods invisible really takes away any form of transparancy. I don't know how to reach a mod if I have any questions. There's no talking point and it will be shrouded in mystery. I fear this will only cause mistrust between the community and the mods. It will cause a rift that will certainly explode one day. You really should reconsider this.
As for a final argument, I'm on GAF for the gaming community and certainly not for one person in particular. If the community however keeps crumbling (and its happening quite rappidly right now) I feel that with these new set of changes GAF will face a swift death. At this point in time I'm seriously considering to stop posting and only lurk. I'm just really disappointed how things are unfolding right now.
To the cool people on GAF who aren't here anyore, thanks for the many laughs and awesome game discussions over the years. Hopefully we'll meet again.
With all of this happening over the weekend, the first thought that came up was "man, where am I getting my gaming news now?" Because even with all this happening, the reason I like GAF are videogames and its the only sizeable community who play some smaller releases. I love that. It's about the community, not just one person. The people and cool OT's kept me here. Well and the betrayalton threads ha.
Still, I can't help but wonder if this is the best course of action for the forum. I will refrain from discussion on the accusations, because really, lots of folks already voiced my own thoughts in a better way than I ever could. Still, I want to say the handling of the situation is quite poor and you made the wrong choices. I absolutely disagree with the new policy for the OT and how mods will work from now on. To clarify, I only casually check the OT, but you just can't outright deny discussion about certain topics. I know discussion on subjects like politics, equality and the like can be exhausting and very hard to moderate, but that shouldn't be a good reason to outright forbid it. I assume even with this change of policy I believe many members will still try to voice their concerns about these topics.
While I absolutely understand that some mods called it quits after being targeted by posters and even invaded in their private channels like Facebook, I believe this isyour fault because of your lack of action. While there are always idiots who think it's perfectly fine to bother moderaters from a website in very inappropriate ways, I think this happened because the set of rules that were made didn't help. Another important point, making mods invisible really takes away any form of transparancy. I don't know how to reach a mod if I have any questions. There's no talking point and it will be shrouded in mystery. I fear this will only cause mistrust between the community and the mods. It will cause a rift that will certainly explode one day. You really should reconsider this.
As for a final argument, I'm on GAF for the gaming community and certainly not for one person in particular. If the community however keeps crumbling (and its happening quite rappidly right now) I feel that with these new set of changes GAF will face a swift death. At this point in time I'm seriously considering to stop posting and only lurk. I'm just really disappointed how things are unfolding right now.
To the cool people on GAF who aren't here anyore, thanks for the many laughs and awesome game discussions over the years. Hopefully we'll meet again.
The Nazis had flair that they made the Jews wear.
It was never just about that single event. That was just the drop and not because of the accusation, but how it was dealt with. Banning everyone who even tried to talk about it, promising statements while banning people and even making a cheeky comment how it would take longer when people keep trying to talk about it.
Evilore has a history of being like he is. The forum had a history of a lot of issues with the moderation suppressing users and unjustified bans.
Neff
Member
GAF got fixed. And not only that, it got fixed.
Shan't miss the misanthropic witch hunting and zealotic liberal 'guilty until proven innocent' attitude which permeates an e-generation lied to en masse about the state of the world, and found fewer strongholds than this very site.
I came for the games (and the occasional movies) and that's why I'm staying.
Shan't miss the misanthropic witch hunting and zealotic liberal 'guilty until proven innocent' attitude which permeates an e-generation lied to en masse about the state of the world, and found fewer strongholds than this very site.
I came for the games (and the occasional movies) and that's why I'm staying.
FootieGamer
Member
I really hope off topic returns. The main reason I came here was to see discussion on movies, tv shows, phones etc. Please bring it back!
Edit: nevermind, just read that it's coming back.
Edit: nevermind, just read that it's coming back.
I've been here for around a decade. I mostly lurk and discuss a few games (I was sucked in as it was one of the few places you could discuss Disgaea games without being trolled mercilessly) and a few OT fripperies besides but I've never been tempted to venture too far into political or social discussions on the Internet in general, not just GAF. People get polarised very quickly and I wonder what the point of a discussion is if noone is actually discussing anything, people take sides and get upset. This seems to be even worse on social networks.
To discuss sensitive, emotive issues I think you have to do them in person otherwise you miss so much nuance and expression and people's hackles rise very very quickly and before you know it the barricades are up and various sides are lobbing artillery at each other and calling each other pricks.
To discuss sensitive, emotive issues I think you have to do them in person otherwise you miss so much nuance and expression and people's hackles rise very very quickly and before you know it the barricades are up and various sides are lobbing artillery at each other and calling each other pricks.
psychowave
Member
What the fuck does a woman have to do to be taken seriously as a victim of sexual abuse? Y'all will make excuses for the man no matter what. I'm sick of this.
epicnemesis
Member
I love seeing all the extreme left in this thread in denial. Calling their positions center and everything that dissents with it far right/alt right/nazis. The further you are from center the more extreme dissenting opinions become. It is the same for both sides which is why this country is a shit show.
-A person who once considered himself a republican until the party shoved its head up its ass
EDIT: This post is not commentary on the evilore stuff, just the people in this thread who disagree that gaf has become a hostile echo chamber of the left.
-A person who once considered himself a republican until the party shoved its head up its ass
EDIT: This post is not commentary on the evilore stuff, just the people in this thread who disagree that gaf has become a hostile echo chamber of the left.
This.
Whatever the offense this girl felt when she saw him naked, the redemption happened afterwards. That means 2 things:
1. either there really was something going on between them this night, and his move was in that arrousing context: I wouldn't call it a shameful crime, rather a human misjudgement
2. or he was completely wrong that night, and did hurt her emotions when she saw him naked. But in that case he totally made up for it with his behavior, days and weeks afterwards, leading them to making love together. Redemption happened. End of the story.
Easy to get "polarised" when EL or the mods go on a ban and lock rampage before shutting the forum down for a weekend. Doesn't seem like something an innocent person would do.
Muffin1611
Banned
Also people acting like his 'questionable' behaviour with women is a first or something, smh.
nkarafo
Member
Well, at least with videogames we could express different opinions.
Sad Affleck
Member
This is my take on this whole situation. Some of you may remember my position during the Naughty Dog harassment issue. I fully supported the alleged victim's right to disclose any such incident because making these incidents public helps bring forth change in industries where sexual harassment ends up being institutionalized due to the power structure and fear of retaliation. Hopefully my earlier firm position on this issue will stop people from calling me names.
Evilore might be a cool dude or he might be a giant douchebag, I've never met him so I have no idea. This case of sexual harassment or assault that involves him is different to previous cases like Weinstein or Naughty Dog. There is no power dynamic between him and his accuser, no credible threat of retaliation or abuse of one's position in return for sexual favors. It is an issue between two individuals and it has nothing to do with recent other cases of sexual misconduct in the workplace.
I've read the original Facebook posts, Evilore's response and Patrick Klepek's article. Based on the information at hand I believe there's an equal chance of the alleged victim telling the truth, Evilore telling the truth or both of them bending the truth. As such I find it impossible to determine whether or not Evilore was targeted by a scorned ex lover or if he actually is a sexual predator.
In any case, I won't be boycotting NeoGAF because of this incident. Even if everything the alleged victim said is true, Evilore's behavior doesn't cross the line that I've personally set as the threshold after which I stop supporting an individual or company. Assuming the victim's story is true, I don't think that Evilore completely misinterpreting the victim's intentions and making a cringeworthy move after a night of the two of them drinking and partying is such a heinous crime to warrant a boycott.
Evilore might be a cool dude or he might be a giant douchebag, I've never met him so I have no idea. This case of sexual harassment or assault that involves him is different to previous cases like Weinstein or Naughty Dog. There is no power dynamic between him and his accuser, no credible threat of retaliation or abuse of one's position in return for sexual favors. It is an issue between two individuals and it has nothing to do with recent other cases of sexual misconduct in the workplace.
I've read the original Facebook posts, Evilore's response and Patrick Klepek's article. Based on the information at hand I believe there's an equal chance of the alleged victim telling the truth, Evilore telling the truth or both of them bending the truth. As such I find it impossible to determine whether or not Evilore was targeted by a scorned ex lover or if he actually is a sexual predator.
In any case, I won't be boycotting NeoGAF because of this incident. Even if everything the alleged victim said is true, Evilore's behavior doesn't cross the line that I've personally set as the threshold after which I stop supporting an individual or company. Assuming the victim's story is true, I don't think that Evilore completely misinterpreting the victim's intentions and making a cringeworthy move after a night of the two of them drinking and partying is such a heinous crime to warrant a boycott.
Lys Skygge
Member
Honestly, the more I browse around here the more Im starting to realize nothing will ever be the same. I just feel dirty being here. I wont commit account suicide...but Im definitely going to step away for a time. Maybe check out some of the alternatives that pop up over the coming weeks.
Ill see you
occasionally GAF.
Ill see you
maybe
dannyterrazza
Banned
Are you a fag, dude?
ailes_grises
Neo Member
Welcome back, Neogaf. It's time to Talk about games.
epicnemesis
Member
Their grandstanding cannot happen in a vacuum man. This is the social media age.
DaytimeWhiskey
Banned
But cmon, Evilore seems like a real stand up individual!
Anti-gaf, alt right, gamer gate etc are having a field day over this. There's been a quite a few dormant or alt user accounts becoming active to help promote account suicide and the downfall of gaf so I would suggest to existing members to give it a week for the dust to settle then make a decision on your own.
There really isn't another community like gaf out there. Reset might sound like an alternative on paper but there's already a movement brewing to rot that site from the inside out and its not even up yet.
KarneeKarnay
Member
I joined GAF around GamerGate. I was at first Pro-GG. I stood up for what I saw as ethics in journalism. However during debate with users I realised that while my cause was one worth calling for, the movement origin of GG was only going to hurt the issue. It started as a desire of one person to shame his ex and when I realised this, it became morally impossible for me to associate with GG anymore.
I was with a group that was widely ridiculed and for good reason. Yet I wasn't banned. People all over the shop are making comments that you could get perma-banned for anything. I've never felt like that. I've seen people pro-freedom of speech sticking up for Nazi marchers debate without issue.
I got banned once. I made a joke in poor taste. I got banned for 2 weeks. I survived and moved on. The hate I'm seeing from people over getting banned makes me wonder what it was the posted.
That was until last week. Last week EvilLore was named and shamed for sexual assault. When asked about this he banned users and locked threads. While I don't know why the mods walked, I would be suprsied if it was that:
What we do know is that EvilLore did everything he could to suppress discussion of this. I'm not one to judge until I see more. I even said as much in the thread that revealed all of this and I still do. EvilLore has however mismanaged this appallingly. As the owner he has every right to decide what can and cannot be posted on his site, but people have every right to demand accountability. An online community only exists as long as trust between the userbase and the controllers is maintained. Your actions as owner has hurt that in such a way that it might be years before we see it return.
I'm not going to ask you to step down. That's daft. You are the owner, what I am going to do is ask you to reevaluate how you deal with things. You could have handled this much better. Here are some examples of what you could have done.
1. Ignored it.
2. Take legal action against the accuser. If you are confident that nothing happened, then you are fully within your right to take legal action.
3. Ask the mods to create a single thread to manage this issue. Redirect all discussion to that one thread. Inform the community you are making a statement and then do so.
Thankfully you choose most of option 3, but you still flipped the switch. Shut everything down and to make matters worse your statement. Instead of just refuting the claims, you attack the credibility of the accuser. Instead of dealing with the problems of GAF, you attacked the userbase. These statements are insulting and paint you, EvilLore, in a very bad light. I hope you release a new statement correction this.
A community is only as good as its management and this has been the problem you failed to recognise. The best way to cut down on toxicity is to be transparent with the rules and guidlines on the forum. Hiding the mods is a problem. You don't encourage transparency when it's all one sided. What you should consider is having at least one visible mod for each half of the site. Gaming and OT.
Secondly you should crate a Hall of Infamy thread. People are tired of being banned for what they see as no reason. If a Mod bans someone or suspends an account they should have to post their reasoning and evidence in this thread. Having this is not just good for the community, it's good for its image. People can't claim they were punished because GAF is a Alt-Leftist paradise if the reason they were banned is right there for the whole world to see. It also allows us to hold mods accountable. If they ban for no reason other than opinion then the evidence is there for all to see.
Off Topic is the reason I stuck around. GD got me in, OT is why I stayed. I've never encountered a better community for challenging ideas and encouraging debate. If you have evidence and a solid reasoning you should have no problems. Blaming the community toxicity for the problem is absurd and so is banning politics threads. This site may be predominantly for gaming, but it is just as much for news. You aren't cutting off an arm, your cutting out a lung. I hope you change your mind on this because like others, I can't guarantee I will stick around as much with just GD left.
I hope things improve for the better and prove me wrong.
I was with a group that was widely ridiculed and for good reason. Yet I wasn't banned. People all over the shop are making comments that you could get perma-banned for anything. I've never felt like that. I've seen people pro-freedom of speech sticking up for Nazi marchers debate without issue.
I got banned once. I made a joke in poor taste. I got banned for 2 weeks. I survived and moved on. The hate I'm seeing from people over getting banned makes me wonder what it was the posted.
That was until last week. Last week EvilLore was named and shamed for sexual assault. When asked about this he banned users and locked threads. While I don't know why the mods walked, I would be suprsied if it was that:
What we do know is that EvilLore did everything he could to suppress discussion of this. I'm not one to judge until I see more. I even said as much in the thread that revealed all of this and I still do. EvilLore has however mismanaged this appallingly. As the owner he has every right to decide what can and cannot be posted on his site, but people have every right to demand accountability. An online community only exists as long as trust between the userbase and the controllers is maintained. Your actions as owner has hurt that in such a way that it might be years before we see it return.
I'm not going to ask you to step down. That's daft. You are the owner, what I am going to do is ask you to reevaluate how you deal with things. You could have handled this much better. Here are some examples of what you could have done.
1. Ignored it.
2. Take legal action against the accuser. If you are confident that nothing happened, then you are fully within your right to take legal action.
3. Ask the mods to create a single thread to manage this issue. Redirect all discussion to that one thread. Inform the community you are making a statement and then do so.
Thankfully you choose most of option 3, but you still flipped the switch. Shut everything down and to make matters worse your statement. Instead of just refuting the claims, you attack the credibility of the accuser. Instead of dealing with the problems of GAF, you attacked the userbase. These statements are insulting and paint you, EvilLore, in a very bad light. I hope you release a new statement correction this.
A community is only as good as its management and this has been the problem you failed to recognise. The best way to cut down on toxicity is to be transparent with the rules and guidlines on the forum. Hiding the mods is a problem. You don't encourage transparency when it's all one sided. What you should consider is having at least one visible mod for each half of the site. Gaming and OT.
Secondly you should crate a Hall of Infamy thread. People are tired of being banned for what they see as no reason. If a Mod bans someone or suspends an account they should have to post their reasoning and evidence in this thread. Having this is not just good for the community, it's good for its image. People can't claim they were punished because GAF is a Alt-Leftist paradise if the reason they were banned is right there for the whole world to see. It also allows us to hold mods accountable. If they ban for no reason other than opinion then the evidence is there for all to see.
Off Topic is the reason I stuck around. GD got me in, OT is why I stayed. I've never encountered a better community for challenging ideas and encouraging debate. If you have evidence and a solid reasoning you should have no problems. Blaming the community toxicity for the problem is absurd and so is banning politics threads. This site may be predominantly for gaming, but it is just as much for news. You aren't cutting off an arm, your cutting out a lung. I hope you change your mind on this because like others, I can't guarantee I will stick around as much with just GD left.
I hope things improve for the better and prove me wrong.
Just wanted to echo the sentiment, especially since I recall your time here from around when you joined. I've been on this site for the same timeframe at around the same age. Didn't post too much, but I learned a whole lot, and it was an integral part of my everyday life.
All I can say is I may just have to move on from here. I may come back every once in a while, if only for nostalgia's sake.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Holy shit. I was off the site for a few days and everything went to shit.
Read your statement Tyler and I got to say it's weak man, the fact that you had to shut the site down and it took you this long to provide a (poor) statement speaks a ton and also gives weight to the allegations. Nuking off-topic because you got bitten by this is also super weak, there was a lot of good discussion there and even if it did get toxic it was never on r/T_D or 4chan levels, but then again you've always removed discussion you personally didn't jive with especially discussion critical of you so your actions come as no surprise to a lot of people.
In any case, have fun with the new site I guess.
Read your statement Tyler and I got to say it's weak man, the fact that you had to shut the site down and it took you this long to provide a (poor) statement speaks a ton and also gives weight to the allegations. Nuking off-topic because you got bitten by this is also super weak, there was a lot of good discussion there and even if it did get toxic it was never on r/T_D or 4chan levels, but then again you've always removed discussion you personally didn't jive with especially discussion critical of you so your actions come as no surprise to a lot of people.
In any case, have fun with the new site I guess.
I doubt this will even be read. I'm not here to pull out any pitchforks. I wasn't even aware what was going on until yesterday and I haven't really seen any proof either way. That being said it seems this isn't a an isolated incident nor does your handling of the situation made you look any less guilty.
If you truly care about this community and want it to stay alive you have to step away. Hand over the site and sever all ties. NeoGAF is likely to crumble into itself if it stays associated with your name.
Now I understand it might be difficult to do. After the site was handed to you you've literally made millions of it. However it seems to be the only logical recourse here. It's up to you what you care more for. You or the community.
If you truly care about this community and want it to stay alive you have to step away. Hand over the site and sever all ties. NeoGAF is likely to crumble into itself if it stays associated with your name.
Now I understand it might be difficult to do. After the site was handed to you you've literally made millions of it. However it seems to be the only logical recourse here. It's up to you what you care more for. You or the community.
SolidusDave
Member
I mean, I can understand showing face like that because if an exodus is happening it should be visible to maybe induce some thinking.
However, being a troll and posting NSWF content like the one a few posts back (before it was removed) is fucking inconsiderate towards people in your community (who might even browse from work etc.). Not very all high and mighty.
Seems also a bit hypocritical to use female porn gifs in that context...
PREACH
Serious or sarcasm?
What do you think of handling this situation? Why do you think all the former mods left in unison?
Evidence or corroborating witnesses are a good start.
I don't know her. Why should I trust her? Women lie and men have been punished for crimes they didn't commit because of it.
I don't know or trust Evilore either. The more damning thing for him is all the history leading to this point and his attitude that has been on display for years.
So I'm inclined to believe her over him, but if you just trust what she says on face value, with no questions asked, you're a fool.
Is that how you talk about people like Shinobi, Leafhopper and ZhugeEx?
Of course the alt-right has a field day. But that doesn't make everyone who left alt-right. Why do you even bring that up? This kind of argumentation that associates people with the worst kind is bollocks.
As someone who was banned because he called out a moderator for heavily insulting millions of people, I disagree.
I also don't really like the moderation change. Considering you didn't know who banned you before, there was no possiblity to point out abuse of power or non-impartial moderation...now it's even worse since you can't even talk to the team in general anymore.
Pretty much this exactly.
Perhaps your political arguments weren't as sophisticated as your gaming opinions.
There seem to be many aggrieved posters who feel vindicated by any change that makes them never have to confront said discussions again, which seems to subvert their claim that they have such opinions that were beforehand surpressed, and would like to debate the merits of them.
If indeed such discussion was difficult, why remove the possibility of them entirely, instead of looking for a way to better protect minority views?
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