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same.
only the first 30min and the last 30min of the game were ok.
super shitty middlepart.
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Jedi Survivor: 147 GB on PS5, 139GB on Series X and 44GB on Series S
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only the first 30min and the last 30min of the game were ok.
super shitty middlepart.
Maybe this is the compression magic & we are getting fullsize uncompressed raw assets
Machiavelli is like what is this crap. Where is the compression magic???
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Insane file sizes across platforms for this game.
Devs need to do a better job compressing their games.
Devs need to do a better job compressing their games.
Dural
Member
WTF are you talking about, it has 10GB of memory.
ResilientBanana
Member
Neat. The problem is, you don't have to worry about resources running in real time. Sure, 4K assets look better, but when it comes to gaming and memory, if you don't need it, or it's too much for the hardware, it gets cast aside.
Feature parity is different than graphics parity and everyone that purchased the S over the X knows this. The game most likely doesn't lack features, but the Xbox Series S was always created to cater to people that want to play games but can't afford or don't want or need the Series X.
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3liteDragon
Member
Ok I’m starting to have second thoughts on whether or not to get this day one lol, what the fuck is going on with these sizes?
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ResurrectedContrarian
Banned
It's always these "made by committee"-feeling big publisher games that have the massive file sizes. Everything about them is off-putting to me.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
PS5 only has 667GB of usable space...
That means Jedi Survivor, one game, will take up over 22% of total storage available on PS5.
That means Jedi Survivor, one game, will take up over 22% of total storage available on PS5.
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feynoob
Gold Member
It's EA. Them and Activitision don't give a crap about compressions.
COD does duplicate audio if I remember correctly.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Loxus
Member
Nah, this game is the most odd one out.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Or, maybe this started off as cross-gen (I am still convinced of this) since it's still on UE4 and they didn't bother to be fucked with using the compression solutions on these boxes. Definitely an outlier.
crackajack
Member
ah, that sort of answers my question I had. Disc releases with mandatory download.
So practically full Steam ahead, i.e. like PC years ago.
Or were games also on multiple discs too?
some PS3 games already used 50GB, with ~720p games. So having mostly the same with PS4/Pro (and XBS) and only thrice of that is actually quite reasonable. VP9 instead of h264 for video compression is doing wonders, Kraken or however you call it might be great but there are limits for everything. PS3 games were compressed too after all.
HYDE
Banned
I’m convinced this is PS4 also. Nothing impressive…
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yes, but this game is clearly uncompressed. 150 GB for this make does not make sense, when there are games like RDR 2, HFW, CP 2077, TLOU 2, GOWR, Spider-Man Remastered that have up to 40-60% smaller file sizes.
Some games like Control, Ghostwire Tokyo, etc. are significantly small (~20-25 GB). Although those games may not match Jedi Survivor's scale, but the different is exponential.
I understand with your take and agree with what you're saying, as in game file sizes will be bigger. But in this particular case, it is too much -- and a lot of it cannot be justified considering there are other games of similar or bigger scopes that are smaller in size.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Yep, in 4k too using H.261
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Maybe they go with the same way like The COD devs.
Even If you buy the retail version you have to download everything from the Internet.
How many discs is this game anyway? Two or three??
I can hardly Imagine.
Even If you buy the retail version you have to download everything from the Internet.
How many discs is this game anyway? Two or three??
I can hardly Imagine.
Asset difference isn't the same as just lower resolution though. You can still play at less than 4k but have "4k assets" you can zoom in on. This is what the supposed next gen features are there to address.
It is for somebody paying attention to textures, particularly in photomode or something like it. For run of the mill usage where you're a given distance maybe you won't notice it. The term "4k assets" have never made sense though.
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Portugeezer
Member
It is still good to have high quality assets for when you're close to things.
Series S doesn't have them (presumably) because it can't, not because of lower pixel count.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Day one! Gonna be an amazing game, this just proves it...right?
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Probably just massively unoptimized
crackajack
Member
I guess only someone with actual knowledge of coding/compression and the assets can really answer this.
My layman (non)understanding: If I adjust the jpeg slider for % of whatever, I don't see much or any difference between 80 or 100%. Difference between png and jpg depending on content can be huge though, while tif is supersmall for black&white. I don't hear much or any difference between original CD or FLAC and mp3, probably down to 128.
Maybe some EA guys chose in every area the slightly better but much bigger solution, and compression is actually the same- why make some yourself if Sony offers theirs?-, just nothing is easily noticeable. Maybe they chose needlessly big bitrates and file formats without any benefit, just blowing up the size.
Especially videos can be huge with some needless bitrate setting.
Sometimes some stupid shit happens but I can't imagine that they blew up their game and no one ever noticed that something is off for no reason. There must be some explanation why it needs to be that size or at least a bit bigger than one would assume.
Or it is really dumb and just happend because no one ever checked before declaring gold master finished.
Mister Wolf
Member
EA"s money is strong so they could care less about catering to one console over the other.
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100GB extra worth of 4K textures
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Edit: 147GB on PS5
So we can install on XSX now??
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, you can use the xbox phone app to pre-install the game.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They didn't even care about compression on either of the big boxes, lol. This has (cancelled) cross-gen asset duplication written all over it.
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ResilientBanana
Member
I know you can, but if you don't have the power or memory to process the assets, you use the assets that are best suited for your use case. In this case Series S.
No shit, but the S can't handle those assets.
You guys clearly don't know the limitations of the GPU in the Series S or how GPU's work in general.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Why would they optimize on the series s and not the series x?
I see a lot of criticism here over the file size, and I honestly dont understand. TLOU is 70GB even though its a tiny game in comparison to TLOU2 which was 79GB. No one had any issues with that. Higher res textures, objects and models take up more space. Id rather have better graphics than a 20GB game.
I just downloaded a 30GB update for Horizon plus another 26GB for the DLC. The game is now 160 GB. I am not even mad. Why would I be? Games are getting bigger and bigger, and we should be celebrating games shipping with the highest quality 4k textures.
SSD prices have fallen to sub $80 for a 1TB drive. There was a deal for a $150 2TB drive. File sizes should no longer be a big deal.
P.S The only time i have an issue with file size is when they make me download 100GB of CoD MP just to play the 20GB warzone map because they want me to buy their stupid weapons from the yearly cod.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
They didn’t optimize on any platform
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Then why is the series s version only 44GB?
because it just has low quality assets suited for low res used, probably?
you think they optimized for s and said "shit we are out of time" when it came to x
Thirty7ven
Banned
Basically confirming that this game is running on dated tech, which it looked like anyway.
Respawn fucking up.
Respawn fucking up.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
No. I think the fact that they optimized for the series s means they optimized the game for all consoles.
Again, why are we assuming larger file sizes mean the game is unoptimized? HFW is 150 GB now. Is it unoptimized?
Was RDR2 which was 100GB in an era where everything was 30-50GB max unoptimized? This is so silly.
kvltus lvlzvs
Banned
Holy moly, I made a shitpost in a gpu thread about 200gb install sizes and 16gb vram becoming the new standard - I didnt expect it to become so true so fast. Somebody, please, I need a hug.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Zimmy68
Member
I'm ok with larger assets, just don't release a console with only 1 TB or make upgrading fairly cheap. PS5 solved this.
I think that's what the post was poking fun at. That the PR was suggesting the S would have the ability to have the same assets and settings via things like SFS, but just rendering at lower res. Unfortunately that ideal isn't reality for most games. Memory did turn out to be an issue for other things.
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hemo memo
Gold Member
They learned their lesson from the Vita.