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The Wii U Speculation Thread V: The Final Frontier

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Krev

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Are we still talking about Ideaman?
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He gave click sticks. Something anyone could have told you was there purely by looking at the games announced for the console. I'm happy that it stopped that conversation, but the conversation could have been avoided with basic deductive reasoning. Gimme something substantial.

Also, drive-by postings don't exactly drown someone out, y'know? I don't expect him to lurk constantly, but y'know.... people have follow-up questions.
He also commented that he thinks the launch line-up should be pretty good after GDC.
The guy makes no promises that he's going to deliver leaks, and he has no obligation to. His random comments that unexpectedly brighten up these threads during a dull patch are actually fun, unlike IdeaMan's obnoxious teasing.
Someone on the team already said they're wouldn't be any of those improvements.

So I guess Ubisoft is in MAJOR NDA VIOLATION for announcing AC3 for Wii U? Or are we just selectively excluding that announcement?
Nintendo gave Ubisoft exclusive clearance to show off Wii U games last year (and even gave them their own roundtable). Assassin's Creed was one of the games they announced back then.
 

donny2112

Member
I've seen the Wii U tech demos that are visually very similar to current gen games.

Ah. That's at least something. You're basing your opinion on the E3 2011 tech demos, which basically just means the Zelda one and the bird one. Others have spent more time on dissecting those, but, regardless, we should see much better representation at E3 2012. It may still look like PS360 games to you after that, but it'd be better to wait until actually seeing the E3 2012 footage before trying to come to conclusions.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
Are you just trolling here, or what? Darksiders and Assassin's Creed were announced last E3. There hasn't been a Wii U game announcement since then, even for games we practically know are coming to the platform like BLOps 2. The one exception is Dragon Quest X, which was announced at a special event with Iwata present.
Do you really think that there are no more third party games in development for Wii U than the ones shown off last E3? An NDA makes a hell of a lot more sense.
 

Fantastical

Death Prophet
He gave click sticks. Something anyone could have told you was there purely by looking at the games announced for the console. I'm happy that it stopped that conversation, but the conversation could have been avoided with basic deductive reasoning. Gimme something substantial.

Also, drive-by postings don't exactly drown someone out, y'know? I don't expect him to lurk constantly, but y'know.... people have follow-up questions.

I think what Harker did was fine. It was just a bit of concrete information about the Wii U that wasn't teased or made to look like more than it was. He isn't obligated to tell more than what he wants to tell, but he told us what we wanted to know without teasing us or being ambiguous. I'm not looking for megatons from IdeaMan, but I need more concrete information that isn't wrapped in teases.

Are you just trolling here, or what? Darksiders and Assassin's Creed were announced last E3. There hasn't been a Wii U game announcement since then, even for games we practically know are coming to the platform like BLOps 2. The one exception is Dragon Quest X, which was announced at a special event with Iwata present.
Do you really think that there are no more third party games in development for Wii U than the ones shown off last E3? An NDA makes a hell of a lot more sense.

He's right that AC3 was announced by Ubisoft in March.
 

aeroslash

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What happened to this thread? Why is everyone jumping on IdeaMan?

I really like his posts, in fact, the best thing to watch this thread is to wait for his little tibdits of info. Someone may not like it, but most of it has been important to speculate on many things.

He has not said anything awesome like iherre or wispel, but he has contributed actively to the discussion in this thread. I don't think anyone of us (no insiders) could provide any of the facts he has stated.

Related to the ue4 engine news...i also find it, at least, worrying.
 

donny2112

Member

Read the actual quote/Watch the actual interview. (Note: Nirolak's breaking of paragraphs is misleading. Watch the video, and you see that he's still on the subject of visuals.) He's talking about the graphics in the game, which we've already pointed out that a later interview flat-out said that they were intentionally trying to make the Wii U version look exactly like the PS360 ones.
 

evangd007

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It really is like taking to a wall with some people in here. Epic is flat out telling you that UE4 is for platforms that aren't announced yet, and some of you are still grasping at straws. Not to mention there are rumors about 360 and PS3 ports having trouble running on Wii U, but somehow it's still going to run UE4 at 720p 30fps?

You're going to be disappointed.

"Aiming at" and "can be supported" are two different things. Do you think UE3 was "aimed at" the iphone 3gs?
 

Linkhero1

Member
I think what Harker did was fine. It was just a bit of concrete information about the Wii U that wasn't teased or made to look like more than it was. He isn't obligated to tell more than what he wants to tell, but he told us what we wanted to know without teasing us or being ambiguous. I'm not looking for megatons from IdeaMan, but I need more concrete information that isn't wrapped in teases.

Pretty much agree with what you said. The constant teasing leads no where and doesn't really fuel the discussion all too much. I appreciate the details John Harker and Alberto have been dropping.
 

guek

Banned
They said they wouldn't be improving it graphically and cited their budget as the factor. This was back at E3 last year. I don't feel like digging up the article.

This is the main problem with a lot of people who criticize this thread. Often times they're just not up to date on who said what and when and the circumstances of certain comments.

But what's most ironic is that these are the people who constantly accuse spec thread regulars that they're selective in what they want to believe...and then go on to say that all rumors have pointed to Wii U being on par or weaker than 360.

Conveniently forgetting the initial 1 teraflop GPU rumor.

And the 5x 360 IGN rumor.

And the sources that told IGN cafe was packing a HD 4850 equivalent, which is a 1 teraflop card

And the statements by Gearbox talking about how the Wii U version of colonel marines will be graphically improved

And the statement by former IGN editor Craig Harris who is currently at Sega (iirc) stating outright that Wii U is not inferior to the current gen

And the statement by Mark Rein stating Wii U is a stopgap system between this gen and the next

And the middleware document clearly explaining why CPU performance was initially struggling


And no, I am not saying Wii U will be 5x the 360 or that it'll greatly outperform the current gen or even that it WONT be inferior to the current gen in some ways. But there are multiple angles here and a lot of uncertainty, and you can always tell when someone opens their mouth and acts like they want to talk facts when in actuality they're only looking to try to "set you straight" on why Wii U wont be able to do this or that.

And then there are the bozos who, on top of all of that, don't know what engine scaling is.
 

Van Owen

Banned
Isn't saying the hardware is "on par" an NDA violation according to some of you?

I will admit, I'm only around 98% certain that Wii U is at best slightly better than current hardware. I really hope I'm wrong too.
 
Someone on the team already said they're wouldn't be any of those improvements.

So I guess Ubisoft is in MAJOR NDA VIOLATION for announcing AC3 for Wii U? Or are we just selectively excluding that announcement?

Have we seen Wii U-specific shots or footage yet?

Jesus. The evidence you're using to support your case is just plain wrong.
 

JJConrad

Sucks at viral marketing
two words. Clicky sticks
I might have some respect for Harker's mini rant had it not been for his only other post in this thread. It came across more like:

"I'll start 10 pages of speculation but out of respect for the industry just watch and laugh... oh, and my insider information is better than his."
 

Roo

Member
The issue isn't even whether he's legitimate any more. Even if he has the best source and the best information anyone outside of Nintendo has about the Wii U, he's still a smug attention seeker.

That's rude
I'm not a fan of his posts, I do enjoy reading them.
He still needs to learn how to condense all his info in a few lines tho.

Instead of dissipate doubts,his posts make people end up being more confused about what they're reading/expecting.
 
I might have some respect for Harker's mini rant had it not been for his only other post in this thread. It came across more like:

"I'll start 10 pages of speculation but out of respect for the industry just watch and laugh... oh, and my insider information is better than his."
Nah he did it right. He had info. He dropped it on us. Had nothing left to add so didn't. Cooool by me.
 

Linkhero1

Member
I might have some respect for Harker's mini rant had it not been for his only other post in this thread. It came across more like:

"I'll start 10 pages of speculation but out of respect for the industry just watch and laugh... oh, and my insider information is better than his."

Which post was this? Could you elaborate a bit more? I haven't had time to read every single post in these threads so I tend to miss what some people say or have said.

Nah he did it right. He had info. He dropped it on us. Had nothing left to add so didn't. Cooool by me.

This. I didn't think he needed to elaborate on what he said. It was pretty much clear and teasing-free.
 
I think people are looking at the “Wii U = 360 or PS3 x OVER 9000!” with a skewed perspective. Its seems that people are basing their reaction to this based off of multiplatform 3rd party titles. I always took the IQ multiplier as something akin to 2.5-3 X better IQ than Heavy Rain, God of War, The Last of US, Uncharted, Halo 4 or Forza. Throw in some 3rd party exclusives titles (Gears, Condemned, the 1st Bioshock, etc) and a select handful of multiplatform titles. Wii U will impress In the right/competent & willing hands. Considering what Capcom pulled I’d love to see the 1st MT Framework game optimized for Wii U.
 

EDarkness

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That's rude
I'm not a fan of his posts, I do enjoy reading them.
He still needs to learn how to condense all his info in a few lines tho.

Instead of dissipate doubts,his posts make people end up being more confused about what they're reading/expecting.

At least he's around to discuss things with for more clarification. Unlike others who post and run. I'll take IdeaMan's style over that any day. But all posters have their style whether you like it or not is a different story....
 
Isn't saying the hardware is "on par" an NDA violation according to some of you?

I will admit, I'm only around 98% certain that Wii U is at best slightly better than current hardware. I really hope I'm wrong too.

Well I'm 100% certain Wii U is not at best slightly better than current hardware. So where do we go from here?
 
Isn't saying the hardware is "on par" an NDA violation according to some of you?

That would depend on the specific clauses of the agreement, no?

I will admit, I'm only around 98% certain that Wii U is at best slightly better than current hardware. I really hope I'm wrong too.

For what it is worth, we do know from last year's floor demos that the Wii U is capable of simultaneously outputting two rendered scenes of at least Xbox 360 quality with additional effects not found on the Xbox 360. This seems like a difference of substance.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
Wait.....Blops2 is being shown to press on Wii U? When was that posted in this thread?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37631692&postcount=2751

Pretty obviously referring to Treyarch.
Which post was this? Could you elaborate a bit more? I haven't had time to read every single post in these threads so I tend to miss what some people say or have said.
I think he's referring to John Harker's post about there being clickable sticks in the Wii U controller.
That's rude
It was rude when IdeaMan suggested that anyone questioning him had 'problems' or an unhealthy obsession with him. That's a funny thing for him to criticise people for anyway, since half his posts are draw the thread's attention to himself.
It's a message board, not a dinner party. I call it like I see it.
 

Linkhero1

Member
At least he's around to discuss things with for more clarification. Unlike others who post and run. I'll take IdeaMan's style over that any day. But all posters have their style whether you like it or not is a different story....

Post and run? They post enough for us to at least understand what they're talking about. ShockingAlberto and John Harker's comments have been pretty clear so there was no need for elaboration. At least they are not beating around the bushes.
 
But aren't you one of those deviants Special Guy has tried to selflessly warn us all about?

I seriously laughed at that statement. Only one person said he heard Wii U was getting tweaks to run UE4, then all of a sudden it became multiple people.
 

Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
At least he's around to discuss things with for more clarification. Unlike others who post and run. I'll take IdeaMan's style over that any day. But all posters have their style whether you like it or not is a different story....

What more could John Harker have to say about clicky-sticks?
 

Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Whether they're sticks. Whether they're analog or digital.

Mind, I have no issue with Harker's style of infodump.

He seems to be more of an industry guy or journalist and not a developer. So, I doubt he has direct access to the w.u.c. to give us those kind of details.
 
The whole UE4 firestorm (in a teacup) thing has pretty much set my expectations at rock bottom now.
Personally, I don't actually care in most respects. I can't imagine UE4 will be as impressive on a screen as it supposedly sounds on paper (but then again, I'm still cool with 480p). What concerns me is that in about 18-24 months, the Wii U will likely be in the same position the Wii was in most much of its life. Considering that I plan on only buying one console next generation – due largely to the fact that I can count the amount of hours I spend gaming in a month on 1 hand – it somehow depresses me knowing that I won't have very many
good
options, in all likelihood.
I shouldn't care at all, but I do.
 

watershed

Banned
Wait a minute, wait a minute, clickable sticks have been confirmed by a reliable source? If so, that's all that matters right now.
 

guek

Banned
The whole UE4 firestorm (in a teacup) thing has pretty much set my expectations at rock bottom now.
Personally, I don't actually care in most respects. I can't imagine UE4 will be as impressive on a screen as it supposedly sounds on paper (but then again, I'm still cool with 480p). What concerns me is that in about 18-24 months, the Wii U will likely be in the same position the Wii was in most much of its life. Considering that I plan on only buying one console next generation – due largely to the fact that I can count the amount of hours I spend gaming in a month on 1 hand – it somehow depresses me knowing that I won't have very many
good
options, in all likelihood.
I shouldn't care at all, but I do.

At this point, I'd say for those of us without any insider contacts, the best thing to do is just wait until E3 before coming to any conclusions whatsoever. We've made it this far, we can make it through these few remaining weeks.
 
I have zero doubt in my mind that the engine can run on the console in some capacity. But whether devs follow through. Now that I don't know.
 

Antioch

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Someone on the team already said they're wouldn't be any of those improvements.

So I guess Ubisoft is in MAJOR NDA VIOLATION for announcing AC3 for Wii U? Or are we just selectively excluding that announcement?

That was most likely confirmed in order to avoid confusion as Ubisoft announced that an AC game would be coming. Had they not confirmed it to be AC3 people would have thought Wii U would get an exclusive.

Wait.....Blops2 is being shown to press on Wii U? When was that posted in this thread?

I think ShockingAlberto hinted at it.

Edit: Beaten
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
If Blops 2 has pointer controls, it's hard to believe, but Nintendo will actually be getting the best version of the game.
Absolutely! I've said it before, but whoever is first to deliver a solid 60fps online shooter using the pointer will get my money.
 
Hey guys, I'm like new here and stuff, and like, I heard about this new console Nintendo is putting out and whatever. My friend told me that like, he has one and its as powerful as like the Atari 2600. Is this true and stuff? Hes like me bestest friend so I believe everything he says and stuff.

The Atari VCS 2600...best console ever. The Empire Strikes Back was seriously addictive, I still play it on my PSP every now and then. Was responsible for plenty of blisters and a few broken controllers lol.
 

lednerg

Member
He seems to be more of an industry guy or journalist and not a developer. So, I doubt he has direct access to the w.u.c. to give us those kind of details.

Really trying to get WUC to stick, eh? There should be a poll about what to call it or something. Wiimote was such an obvious abbreviation for Wii Remote, it was perfect. But Wii U Controller... that's a bit more difficult. Either Nintendo is going to come up with something good to call it (no), or we'll have to invent something. WUC isn't doing it for me for some reason. I dunno... Wumote?
 

Linkup

Member
Where is that post about the response time between controller and tv or whatever, some developer talking I believe? I read somebody quoting it, but not the original post. Page?
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
Really trying to get WUC to stick, eh? There should be a poll about what to call it or something. Wiimote was such an obvious abbreviation for Wii Remote, it was perfect. But Wii U Controller... that's a bit more difficult. Either Nintendo is going to come up with something good to call it (no), or we'll have to invent something. WUC isn't doing it for me for some reason. I dunno... Wumote?
Umote? UPad? UCon? Utab? Tabcon?
Or just subscreen.
 
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