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The Wii U Speculation Thread V: The Final Frontier

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antonz

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You are evidently not interested in an intelligent discussion based on precedent and well documented knowledge regarding the functions and operations of modern graphics engines. Since you've already made up your mind about what is true and not true and merely want to hear it repeated, I suggest you obtain for yourself a box with slightly larger dimensions then that of your head and speak your opinions to yourself while your head is enclosed in said box.

He has no interest in a discussion. He basically said the same thing in the other thread then felt the need to jump over here and repeat himself
 

Linkhero1

Member
The issue isn't even whether he's legitimate any more. Even if he has the best source and the best information anyone outside of Nintendo has about the Wii U, he's still a smug attention seeker.

This is why I kind of get irritated at these small so called hints. Luckily E3 is only a few weeks away and I can withstand it.
 

starmud

Member
these threads have been bar none the oddest i've followed on gaf. well, one of the oddest and one of the only threads to give me a headache while reading. e3 may be the death of me.

"ok I have news about dev kit
But first things first. A teaser :p"

We're so desperate for info that we've been led around for months like poor little children analyzing breadcrumbs from this odd french guy. "OMG THE RAM/FLOPS/DEV KITS!? HYPE MAYBE!?"

and...

as a frenchmen (french-canadian, i lie), i say, no more leaks for the americans. im taking my ubi'd beret brothers and going home ;(
 

donny2112

Member
Is this real, is this old?

It's real in that it's a screenshot of Blockbuster's database. It's old, as it's been discussed the last two days. It's not real in that it's not a real list of launch games for Wii U. A Blockbuster manager in another thread flat-out said he helped to create the list for Blockbuster's database in order to give customers something to preorder. It's not a real list of launch games, though, even if some of them happen to be real launch games. :p
 
It's real in that it's a screenshot of Blockbuster's database. It's old, as it's been discussed the last two days. It's not real in that it's not a real list. A Blockbuster manager in another thread flat-out said he helped to create the list for Blockbuster's database in order to give customers something to preorder. It's not a real list of launch games, though, even if some of them happen to be real launch games. :p

Heh, sorry for that post then.
 

Van Owen

Banned
Because it's not a superset of all the detailed technical features in the current-gen consoles, not because it's weaker or even on-par. PS2 games have to be re-made to work on PS3. That does not make PS3 weaker than PS2, though. :p

Ps3 and ps2 have vastly different architectures, and the ps3 versions have resolution and framerate improvements Wii U and 360 don't.

You are evidently not interested in an intelligent discussion based on precedent and well documented knowledge regarding the functions and operations of modern graphics engines. Since you've already made up your mind about what is true and not true and merely want to hear it repeated, I suggest you obtain for yourself a box with slightly larger dimensions then that of your head and speak your opinions to yourself while your head is enclosed in said box.

Ok, I'm a fool for making up my mind that best case scenario is slightly better than 360, and you're not for thinking it's much better than 360 based on 0 evidence. Sounds great.
 
It really is like taking to a wall with some people in here. Epic is flat out telling you that UE4 is for platforms that aren't announced yet, and some of you are still grasping at straws. Not to mention there are rumors about 360 and PS3 ports having trouble running on Wii U, but somehow it's still going to run UE4 at 720p 30fps?

You're going to be disappointed.

Have you ever thought about asking yourself WHY this might be the case? Not only have you not seemed to have heard of the word "scalable" but the word "optimized" seems to not be in your vocabulary as well.

EDIT: Not to mention that the only source that we've heard saying the ports have a bit of trouble is the Darksiders team, which has said everything from "on par" to "exceeds expectations" about the Wii U. So there's that.
 
I like Ideaman. Even if his style is because of ego, he's at least giving us something to chew on. If we lynch him, it's going to be a long 20-whatever days to E3.


...

hey, ideaman. down here. yo, you can PM me and tell me how many pikmins are running the wii u. it's all good, bro.
 

Terrell

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What I find disturbing is that so many gaffers feel that this gen was all roses and gumdrops.

People are dumb.

Yep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyms7KpXlGM

This is what I wanted last year. This is the minimum of what I want this year (not necessarily the same franchises).

All over my face.

It's so obnoxiously over the top, though. At the time, it was necessary, arguably, but NOW?! No. Just... no.

Actually, for the optimists here, what are your expectations for E3, hardware/software-wise? Just for comparison's sake.

- Galvanizes Japan's development community

- Hits the "sweet spot" of being JUST enough of a jump to be a full generational leap on the lowest possible scale

Everything else is just... what happens.

Yea well, I've been here for over 7 years, have I ever once taunted people or played with news because it was 'fun'? I have far too much respect for the industry, my career, and that of my friends' jobs. I think what's going on here is kind of rude, obnoxious, and not fair to people who generally are excited about an upcoming product announcement.

If people in the know are repulsed by this behavior, lead by example instead of keeping mouth closed and letting it happen unchallenged. If you don't like the tease and the attention it garners, drop info and shut them up. Simple, right?


It really is like taking to a wall with some people in here. Epic is flat out telling you that UE4 is for platforms that aren't announced yet, and some of you are still grasping at straws. Not to mention there are rumors about 360 and PS3 ports having trouble running on Wii U, but somehow it's still going to run UE4 at 720p 30fps?

You're going to be disappointed.
So yeah, if none of the platforms currently announced can do it, that should also include the Southern Islands and Nvidia Keplar architecture. So looks like NONE of the next generation consoles will run it. Nothing lost then.
 

donny2112

Member
Ps3 and ps2 have vastly different architectures,

And it didn't occur to you that something similar could be going with PS360 -> Wii U ports. ;)

and the ps3 versions have resolution and framerate improvements Wii U and 360 don't.

What Wii U ports have you seen running on the system?

based on 0 evidence.

Someone shouldn't make up their mind based on "0 evidence" either way. Thankfully, we're not at a level of "0 evidence," just un-confirmed evidence. :p
 

Van Owen

Banned
Have you ever thought about asking yourself WHY this might be the case? Not only have you not seemed to have heard of the word "scalable" but the word "optimized" seems to not be in your vocabulary as well.

EDIT: Not to mention that the only source that we've heard saying the ports have a bit of trouble is the Darksiders team, which has said everything from "on par" to "exceeds expectations" about the Wii U. So there's that.

Dont you think if Epic viewed Wii U is a potential UE4 platform they'd mention it like they have with UE3? Or are they just selectively excluding it from discussion for the hell of it?
 
The guy has been having fun at the thread's expense for a good while now and getting worshipped for it. A big backlash has been a long time coming.

You wanted a big back lash? I don't take anyone's word for anything here but I give them enough to warrant a discussion on the possibilities. It is a speculation thread after all. If it was concrete news it would not be speculation anymore but confimred insider info that would be best suited to its own thread.

Let the guy post what he wants, if it is bullshit he will be called out on it and be banned accordingly if his info is proven to be false. He even said his info is second hand and is limited so what he does find out he has to speculate on himself.

If you had some new info what would you decide would be the best way to say it without endangering your source? If you can find a better way then by all means let him know but a backlash is not what we want in this thread.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
If people in the know are repulsed by this behavior, lead by example instead of keeping mouth closed and letting it happen unchallenged. If you don't like the tease and the attention it garners, drop info and shut them up. Simple, right?
John Harker already does lead by example, though. He occasionally drops some information, but it's always out of the blue and unannounced. He never teases people about it.
 

Van Owen

Banned
And it didn't occur to you that something similar could be going with PS360 -> Wii U ports. ;)



What Wii U ports have you seen running on the system?



Someone shouldn't make up their mind based on "0 evidence" either way. Thankfully, we're not at a level of "0 evidence," just un-confirmed evidence. :p

Everything I've seen on Wii U looks like current gen stuff. And ports like Darksiders and Rayman aren't running at 1080p 60fps.
 

guek

Banned
Ok, I'm a fool for making up my mind that best case scenario is slightly better than 360, and you're not for thinking it's much better than 360 based on 0 evidence. Sounds great.

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That's not what I think at all. But you're right, you sure are acting the fool.

Now go and follow the advice I gave you. I assure you you'll be much happier.
 
Dont you think if Epic viewed Wii U is a potential UE4 platform they'd mention it like they have with UE3? Or are they just selectively excluding it from discussion for the hell of it?

No one has really talking about anything in almost a year. The only reason we know about UE3 is because of the announced ports that Epic is obviously going to confirm are using their engine. Its a bit to early to assume quietness means anything i think
 
Dont you think if Epic viewed Wii U is a potential UE4 platform they'd mention it like they have with UE3? Or are they just selectively excluding it from discussion for the hell of it?

Not for the hell of it but if they had an NDA and the knowlededge of the engine support might confirm the wiiU's power, then it will affect knowledge about the wiiU. If it was indeed mentioned then specualtion would be rife and stock prices would be affected and decisions that competitors would make regarding preemptive strategies would also be affected.

Not mentioning it will continue the current status quo and not cause any fluctuations in stock speculation or decisions and strategies by competitors.
 

Linkhero1

Member
If people in the know are repulsed by this behavior, lead by example instead of keeping mouth closed and letting it happen unchallenged. If you don't like the tease and the attention it garners, drop info and shut them up. Simple, right?

two words. Clicky sticks
 

lednerg

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Dont you think if Epic viewed Wii U is a potential UE4 platform they'd mention it like they have with UE3? Or are they just selectively excluding it from discussion for the hell of it?

Absence of proof isn't proof of absence. Also, there's a little thing called an NDA which would keep anyone from announcing anything for the Wii U.
 

donny2112

Member
Or are they just selectively excluding it from discussion for the heck of it?

Nintendo has NDAs about pretty much everything to do with the system, at this point. It was mentioned just a couple of pages ago that Treyarch is showing BlOps2 Wii U to press, but it was nowhere on the annoucement trailer.

All that aside, I highly doubt Epic is too concerned with Wii U, at this point. First they have to get UE4 going to their targeted systems/specs. Then, they may spend time trying to allow lesser systems, such as Wii U, to run under the same engine. That'll still be some time away. The hope for Wii U is that whatever base featureset UE4 will need will be present on Wii U. It's definitely not a targeted/intended system, but just like UE3 support widened, so will UE4 support. It's just a matter of if it'll widen to the Wii U, too. ;)

Everything I've seen on Wii U looks like current gen stuff.

What ports have you seen on Wii U?

And ports like Darksiders and Rayman aren't running at 1080p 60fps.

The Darksiders team said that they had a definite goal to make all versions look the same. They're intentionally not trying to make the Wii U version look better. Still, there's the question of where you saw a Wii U port running.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
If you had some new info what would you decide would be the best way to say it without endangering your source? If you can find a better way then by all means let him know but a backlash is not what we want in this thread.
I would either chose to keep the information to myself, or I would do what John Harker does. IdeaMan's teases that ensure all eyes are on him (and bring in hits from other websites) is a terrible strategy if the utmost goal is to protect your source.
I and many other posters have suggested better ways that IdeaMan could post his information here, but he acts personally affronted that anyone could dislike his 'fun' posting style.
Everything I've seen on Wii U looks like current gen stuff. And ports like Darksiders and Rayman aren't running at 1080p 60fps.
I would be very surprised if Rayman isn't 1080p 60fps. Origins was on PS360.
 

guek

Banned
You guys are talking to a guy who thinks 360 footage of Darksiders II is indicative of the Wii U's graphical abilities. Come on.
 

Fantastical

Death Prophet
You wanted a big back lash? I don't take anyone's word for anything here but I give them enough to warrant a discussion on the possibilities. It is a speculation thread after all. If it was concrete news it would not be speculation anymore but confimred insider info that would be best suited to its own thread.

Let the guy post what he wants, if it is bullshit he will be called out on it and be banned accordingly if his info is proven to be false. He even said his info is second hand and is limited so what he does find out he has to speculate on himself.

If you had some new info what would you decide would be the best way to say it without endangering your source? If you can find a better way then by all means let him know but a backlash is not what we want in this thread.

What exactly can be concretely disproven from what he's said? I've lost track of the IdeaMan leaks but they all seem very cryptic. He did get Rayman right which is cool.
 

lednerg

Member
Guys, dont feed the troll!

I gotta admit, we've been pretty lucky as far as trolls go in these threads. There are some pessimists and a few jerks here and there, but for the most part, people have been well behaved. It's a pleasure being part of NintendoGAF, especially considering the alternatives.
 

Van Owen

Banned
I never said I saw Darksiders running on Wii U. I'm referring to comments by team members that there wouldn't be resolution improvements.

I've seen the Wii U tech demos that are visually very similar to current gen games.
 

Terrell

Member
John Harker already does lead by example, though. He occasionally drops some information, but it's always out of the blue and unannounced. He never teases people about it.

He gave click sticks. Something anyone could have told you was there purely by looking at the games announced for the console. I'm happy that it stopped that conversation, but the conversation could have been avoided with basic deductive reasoning. Gimme something substantial.

Also, drive-by postings don't exactly drown someone out, y'know? I don't expect him to lurk constantly, but y'know.... people have follow-up questions.

It's not about feeding us tiny nuggets, it's about a dialogue. That's what IdeaMan offers, no matter whether his antics rub the wrong way or not.

I'd say ShockingAlberto is a much better example of what I'm talking about with his de facto BlOps2 confirmation.
 
Someone on the team already said they're wouldn't be any of those improvements.

So I guess Ubisoft is in MAJOR NDA VIOLATION for announcing AC3 for Wii U? Or are we just selectively excluding that announcement?

Well, we all kind of new it existed because the president of the company said so last year and seeing as how they are probably the major partner for Nintendo, i think it didnt matter. There are plenty of ports being made and yet not a single preview of anything Wii U related so the NDAs must cover pretty much everything new or specific about its version.
 

lednerg

Member
I never said I saw Darksiders running on Wii U. I'm referring to comments by team members that there wouldn't be resolution improvements.

I've seen the Wii U tech demos that are visually very similar to current gen games.

They said they wouldn't be improving it graphically and cited their budget as the factor. This was back at E3 last year. I don't feel like digging up the article.
 
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