Napalm_Frank
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Gamescom ''gameplay'' trailer of Killzone 4 by Square-Enix cgi studios ending with PS4 logo. Kutaragi enters the stage and starts talking about 5D experience.
Do it Sony.
Do it Sony.
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New PS3 Model (CECH-4000) Registered on FCC (Jeff_Rigby alert)
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jeff_rigby
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PSN: Sony Introduces Instant Play Streaming Movies On PS3
PSN expansion starts, they now have a DASH player which would be the same as used by the Webkit2 HTML5 <video> support. Already have Playready DRM from Microsoft since middle of last year.
jeff_rigby
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It looks like a 32nm Xbox 360 is coming but PS3 nothing but testing @ 22nm. Just one person who may not have worked PS3 projects as much as Xbox.
Sony - Microsoft - AMD ? Oban Japanese Gold Coin and WiiU SoC is at 45nm.
phosphor112
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Assume I'm an idiot Jeff.
What does this mean!?!? (I have an idea... but I don't want to guess and sound stupid).
What does this mean!?!? (I have an idea... but I don't want to guess and sound stupid).
pharmboy044
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I'm guessing this is not showing up at Gamescom next week?
£99? I would buy one.
jeff_rigby
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It confirms part of what I have been saying, a Xbox 360 refresh @32nm is coming and most likely the Oban chip produced by IBM and GloFlo8 is for the XBOX 360 not the WiiU or Xbox 720.
For the PS3, just testing for 22nm which doesn't tell us much. In early 2010 news had Sony skipping the 32nm process node and a guess was they were waiting for 22nm. This testing of 22nm listed might be early 2010 and then nothing as there would be a completely different design/cache array and different project if my speculation is correct. Really it tells us nothing of PS3 plans.
phosphor112
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Graphics Horse
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As I've never downloaded a movie on PS3, how does this differ from normal, did the whole file need to be saved first?
brandonh83
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I'm sure its been discussed but do we still have no idea when to expect a concrete announcement or even release date? The MGS4 update has me wanting a new PS3 pretty bad since my last one failed on me a few months ago.
AgentP
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No, just enough to get a head start, depended on your connection speed.
Not necessarily. You would start downloading a movie but then have an option from the XMB to play it as it downloaded. This is likely a small change to purchasing/renting where the streaming option is presented to you immediately.
Graphics Horse
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Well I'd still hold out for Gamescom announcement for an instant price cut or announcement.
Thanks, I see.
Ah it works with trailers too. There's a connection test first.
brandonh83
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Is that relatively soon? If not, I guess I have the 3DS XL and Darksiders 2 to hold me over.
jeff_rigby
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No, it's instant and they have preview mode. It's a IPTV DASH player with full screen mode. This is the first time SONY has had this feature and the player/dialog box can be used for HTML5 <video>.
Graphics Horse
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Yeah the 14th. Rumoured bunch of games getting a price cut (U.S.?) for that day.
Yeah tried it, it's instantish. But haven't you been able to stream from a LAN media server for years?
jeff_rigby
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Maybe with good reason. Having to listen for both WiFi G & N adds latency to a response. There is already time sliced Blu-tooth & WiFi to deal with.
I guess what I find odd is I've rented 3 movies over the last 2-3 weeks, & the option to stream was there already. Idk why this is just being announced now... Imma look over my email to get the confirmation email & date of my rentals...
Edit. Last movie I rented was July 28th, the option to stream was there then if not before...
phosphor112
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Streaming is different from downloading it to your hard drive and watching it as it downloads.
somuchwater
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Has anyone confirmed this? Nowgamer is the only source. It seems weird that Sony would announce a (sorta) significant feature and wouldn't even send out a press release or email blast etc.
pharmboy044
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It's being promoted on the video section of the NA PSN store. I tried using the preview function but they were just trailers for the moie and were not instant streaming it.
Yup. I know... Had the option to do either, I downloaded them, but the option to stream was there.
phosphor112
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Yes, there are two options but from what I understand they were:
Downloading: Download the full file to keep on your hard drive to then later play
Streaming: Stream content from server to PS3
Now they are:
Instant view: Download the file progressively while watching the film
Streaming: Stream content from server to PS3
In the end downloading and instant view result in the file on the hard drive, but one allows the file to play before the whole movie is downloaded.
There was a PR and it was on the EU PS Blog.
They also included it on their weekly NA newsletter and are promoting it on the US PS site.
Indeed, it's an important distinction if you don't have enough free disk space to download the movie, previously you couldn't watch the whole movie. Now, presumably, you can. Important for people picking up the 16GB models...
jeff_rigby
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Referencing post# 904 above:
The IBM/Microsoft 360S 45nm SoC on SOI project didn't appear to be "International", why would the next refresh @ 32nm? Also, we have been told that it's not economical to refresh as often so what's justifying this refresh? Just putting eDRAM on the same SOI silicon with CPU-GPU rather than using a transposer? Is this the Xbox 361 with HDMI pass-thru and power modes needed because XTV -Skype is taking off this Sept, the one in the 2010 Xbox 720 powerpoint leak as coming this holiday 2012?
I got ahead of myself; is everyone NOW in HINDSIGHT comfortable that the next Xbox with Oban SoC is a Xbox 360 not 720?
If so, those who built on Charlie's (SimiAccurate) reporting on Oban, did they embellish with guesses and add that it has a 6000 series GPU or did they hear it had a 6000 series GPU. We now can be comfortable the Xbox 720 is going to have a 2014 8000 series Full HSA GPU design @28nm (H1 2014 in one "leak"). (AMD's Chips in 2014 to Support CPU-GPU Context Switching.. Sony filed a patent in 2010 about CPU-GPU context switching.) Context switching absolutely needed to efficiently use parts of the GPU as a compute element (split the GPU up into multiple GPUs/CUs (supported by OpenCL 1.2)) in games and switch back to traditional GPU use when needed.
The point is that if they heard a 6000 series GPU is in the Oban SoC, the Xbox 361 will be software emulating not hardware emulating the Xbox 360 chipset. This because low power modes require OS changes to control the CPU & GPU for the different modes and redesigning the PPC and GPU for this would be less cost effective than using more modern hardware. This could not be done for the Xbox 360S in 2010 with design started 2 years earlier so it had to wait till now (my guess).
No way to know if this is true now because we don't know what parts are guesses and embellishments and what was actually leaked.
I find it interesting that we now know what the Sony 2010 GPU-CPU GPU-GPU context switching post was about. Hindsight is so 20-20 <grin>. Same with the 2010 1PPU4SPU patent that was misunderstood by everyone when it was released. Notice 2010 comes up in my posts about Sony and Microsoft then nothing for 1.5 years till late 2011. Next generation "officially" started in 2010 with AMD most likely outlining their roadmap to 2014 to both Sony and Microsoft. One "leak" has Microsoft deciding to go with X86 rather than Power PC in 2010.
This appears off topic for a PS3 refresh but I believe AMD has a part to play in both a refresh for this generation and for sure next generation. I can be wrong here as it's probable only because/if both Xbox 360 and PS3 refreshes coming at the same time this year (for the first time ever the same year & both have browsers for the first time ever) need low power modes.
Anyone know something about the registers in the Xbox 360 or 360S, what can we tell about the 360 refresh @32 nm given:
- Owned the delivery of a 3.2GHz 128x64 six read two write custom register file array in the 32nm node.
- Owned the delivery of a 3.2GHz 72x66 six read two write custom register file array in the 32nm node.
Next-gen Xbox will launch fall of 2013 with this GPU
Take a A6 AMD APU, remove the X86 processors and put in 3 PPC. Emulate the Xbox GPU and support chips for Game mode only.
A6 series is manufactured on SOI process at 32nm (so is the PPC and the Oban is SOI @32nm being made by both IBM and GloFlo8). Multi-processor architecture for both Xbox 360 and AMD. Clock freq for PPC is an issue with heat but GPU should be scaled down (most likely using built in reliability config/disable) for a Xbox 360 so that should make up the difference. Oh, it supports consumer IR too.
Just off the wall speculation. Add two 1PPU4SPU Multi-processor packages (Sony 2010 patent) to the above and emulate the PS3 GPU and support chips. Overclocking the A6
The IBM/Microsoft 360S 45nm SoC on SOI project didn't appear to be "International", why would the next refresh @ 32nm? Also, we have been told that it's not economical to refresh as often so what's justifying this refresh? Just putting eDRAM on the same SOI silicon with CPU-GPU rather than using a transposer? Is this the Xbox 361 with HDMI pass-thru and power modes needed because XTV -Skype is taking off this Sept, the one in the 2010 Xbox 720 powerpoint leak as coming this holiday 2012?
I got ahead of myself; is everyone NOW in HINDSIGHT comfortable that the next Xbox with Oban SoC is a Xbox 360 not 720?
If so, those who built on Charlie's (SimiAccurate) reporting on Oban, did they embellish with guesses and add that it has a 6000 series GPU or did they hear it had a 6000 series GPU. We now can be comfortable the Xbox 720 is going to have a 2014 8000 series Full HSA GPU design @28nm (H1 2014 in one "leak"). (AMD's Chips in 2014 to Support CPU-GPU Context Switching.. Sony filed a patent in 2010 about CPU-GPU context switching.) Context switching absolutely needed to efficiently use parts of the GPU as a compute element (split the GPU up into multiple GPUs/CUs (supported by OpenCL 1.2)) in games and switch back to traditional GPU use when needed.
The point is that if they heard a 6000 series GPU is in the Oban SoC, the Xbox 361 will be software emulating not hardware emulating the Xbox 360 chipset. This because low power modes require OS changes to control the CPU & GPU for the different modes and redesigning the PPC and GPU for this would be less cost effective than using more modern hardware. This could not be done for the Xbox 360S in 2010 with design started 2 years earlier so it had to wait till now (my guess).
No way to know if this is true now because we don't know what parts are guesses and embellishments and what was actually leaked.
I find it interesting that we now know what the Sony 2010 GPU-CPU GPU-GPU context switching post was about. Hindsight is so 20-20 <grin>. Same with the 2010 1PPU4SPU patent that was misunderstood by everyone when it was released. Notice 2010 comes up in my posts about Sony and Microsoft then nothing for 1.5 years till late 2011. Next generation "officially" started in 2010 with AMD most likely outlining their roadmap to 2014 to both Sony and Microsoft. One "leak" has Microsoft deciding to go with X86 rather than Power PC in 2010.
This appears off topic for a PS3 refresh but I believe AMD has a part to play in both a refresh for this generation and for sure next generation. I can be wrong here as it's probable only because/if both Xbox 360 and PS3 refreshes coming at the same time this year (for the first time ever the same year & both have browsers for the first time ever) need low power modes.
Anyone know something about the registers in the Xbox 360 or 360S, what can we tell about the 360 refresh @32 nm given:
- Owned the delivery of a 3.2GHz 128x64 six read two write custom register file array in the 32nm node.
- Owned the delivery of a 3.2GHz 72x66 six read two write custom register file array in the 32nm node.
Next-gen Xbox will launch fall of 2013 with this GPU
So not for Xbox 720 but might be for Xbox 360 2012 refresh????? This assuming the "source" is accurate. This makes sense given what the GPU has to support but also the I/O interface included with the GPU.
Take a A6 AMD APU, remove the X86 processors and put in 3 PPC. Emulate the Xbox GPU and support chips for Game mode only.
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-A6-Series%20A6-3400M.html said:
A6 series is manufactured on SOI process at 32nm (so is the PPC and the Oban is SOI @32nm being made by both IBM and GloFlo8). Multi-processor architecture for both Xbox 360 and AMD. Clock freq for PPC is an issue with heat but GPU should be scaled down (most likely using built in reliability config/disable) for a Xbox 360 so that should make up the difference. Oh, it supports consumer IR too.
Just off the wall speculation. Add two 1PPU4SPU Multi-processor packages (Sony 2010 patent) to the above and emulate the PS3 GPU and support chips. Overclocking the A6
I should be doing hw
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So is this thing getting revealed sometime during Gamescom or what? I'm getting kinda ansty to replace my dead phat already.
HotHamWater
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Evidently not, at it wasn't at the presser. Previous rumours suggest they are waiting for current stock levels to drop, but it's just as likely they're waiting for Nintendo to price and date the WiiU so they can jump in.
Not looking like it. If they were gonna announce it at the show they would have done so during the press conference.
This makes a lot of sense
TGS probably. If not, then I don't see it coming out this year.
Based on what I read in this thread, you get less for more money with the new S3.
HotHamWater
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Not this month.
jeff_rigby
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So now we have:http://www.vg247.com/2012/08/20/sony-shrugs-off-ps3-4000-chatter/ said:
1) inventory of older PS3s too high
2) Well, we had so much to talk about on the software side, and thats all we wanted to talk about.
What's to talk about? We already had a Slim so a Super slim shouldn't be much different; right? Or there are differences and new features? But the Technoblog pictures confirm no external difference and they are accurate; right? Just does not make sense for just a cheaper PS3 refresh.
I should be doing hw
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I wouldn't read into that statement at all. If older inventory is too high and they are trying to sell it off, what logical reason would there be to admit that there is a 'newer' model on the way?
jeff_rigby
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If the newer hardware has no new feature and in fact has LESS with a flip lid Blu-ray drive not front load then what reason would anyone have to buy the new one over the old one?
The argument in this thread by all except me is that it's just a smaller case and top load drive. The 16 gig Flash drive must be an external drive drop in replacement for a hard Disk as ALL motherboards in all 4000 chassis models are identical (remember the Sony letter in the FCC application).
So how is this new model going to trash sales of older models?
My opinion; Hirari is waiting till TGS in JAPAN to announce everything. Gesh, they have instant streaming now, I assume Playready DRM protected and they aren't making a big deal about it???????? Instant Streaming is IPTV DASH like Netflix.
A lower price? I thought that was the entire point of this new model - it is less expensive to manufacture.
bigtroyjon
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The whole point of the new model is that they can sell it cheaper than the current PS3's. If they come out with a cheaper model, nobody is going to buy the more expensive one. And Sony can't afford to take a huge loss slashing the price on current inventory.
zomgbbqftw
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Given their FY projections vs shipments Sony are probably sitting on 1-2m worth of PS3 inventory which would need writing down if they released a new cheaper model. On a mid-point estimate a 20% write down would incur a $70m charge, something Sony can ill-afford right now. A month delay is hardly going to make a difference for the new model which will be in production until 2014 and if it saves them $70m it seems like it is worth it.
If this is true they are going to hurt themselves if it doesnt come out for this christmas.
jeff_rigby
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How do they get a significant price drop when they are just condensing parts into a smaller 1 pound lighter case. Shipping costs? The difference between a flip lid drive and front loader $5.00 (correct if wrong). So $15 dollar difference including shipping?
Remember, from the original PS3 till now there have been multiple models and 4 distinct chassis. There is only so much opportunity to reduce price unless you tackle the big one Cell-RSX and according to many here that is not happening. It's not economically practical to reduce RSX from 40nm to 38nm and Cell would require too much redesign. There is no way to put Cell (SOI) and RSX (bulk process) on the same silicon like IBM/Microsoft did for the Xbox 360S @ 45nm.
This is a good point but Software sales is where Sony makes the majority of it's money. Seems we have seen the PS3 sold at a loss before. The time to reduce inventory would be when multiple new titles come out that appeal to a large audience and create new PS3 owners but that's when Sony will want cheaper PS3s (PS3 4000 chassis) in any case. I don't think the price argument holds much weight and suspect the new PS3 has new features that will make the older PS3s hard to sell at any price. Everyone disagrees with this though.zomgbbqftw said:
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