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Wii U sales in France: 120k in 2012
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Yes, I've never seen the sub-100k estimate referred to the whole Europe.
Portugeezer
Gold Member
33% lower than original Wii, but doesn't seem too bad for launch, though looking at the premium figures it's clear that it was mostly hardcore gamers who bought the system and sales will likely drop fast.
lol I won´t waste my time looking after biased users post histories.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Well, whoever said it, it doesn't matter now. Real figures are going to be somewhere between 300-400k for PAL and most likely a little north of 2m worldwide for 2012. Nintendo's going to be missing their targets (by a lot) but Wii U is still going to manage being the fastest selling HD game platform yet anyway.
What? He asked for a link about this legendary post where someone estimated sub-100k for Wii U for the whole Europe. He asked you to give a proof of your claims. Lol you say? It's not the good answer.
EDIT: But you're continuing with this obsessive (let me say it) enthusiasm in showing someone was so wrong about Wii U, you're doing everything here.
shinra-bansho
Member
I don't recall anyone seriously saying 100K was plausible for Europe as a whole for 2012. Especially when we had a reasonable estimate of UK first week at ~40K.
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As far as best HD launches go, of the prior two, one was DOA in Japan and suffered shortages in other markets, while the other launched in only two regions with a ridiculous price. I'm not sure if it's an achievement to win a race against the disabled.
If you're referring to whom I think you are, I think zomg actually has Gfk data now.
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As far as best HD launches go, of the prior two, one was DOA in Japan and suffered shortages in other markets, while the other launched in only two regions with a ridiculous price. I'm not sure if it's an achievement to win a race against the disabled.
What are you talking about? There is a difference between looking after available facts and looking after some bullshit.
maabus1999
Member
So France has 1/6th the US population and purchased about 1/7th the amount of Nintendo consoles. I believe it had a later release date so in the end it is about the same purchasing rate as the U.S.
Which IMHO isn't great. Maybe not terrible but it is -25% less then the original Wii which from a Nintendo only perspective disappointing on the business side.
Which IMHO isn't great. Maybe not terrible but it is -25% less then the original Wii which from a Nintendo only perspective disappointing on the business side.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Yeah, and 300k is probably on the money for the major regions (France + Germany + UK + Spain + Italy + Ireland + Scandanavia iirc).
I'm talking through March so PS3 would have launched everywhere (and it bombed in NA/JP anyway) and 360 would have been exiting it's NA/EU supply constraints by that point. Also ahead of Vita too.
It'll be interesting to see if Durango and/or Orbis can manage better.
shinra-bansho
Member
Oh I thought you meant during the initial launch period (i.e. launch through to the end of launch year). E.g. the XBOX line will never match, due to Japan, while had the PS3 had enough supply for a simultaneous worldwide launch a similar number wouldn't have been implausible (considering the EU launch was reportedly 600K sell-through in two days) despite the giant weight of a ridiculous price tag around its neck. But then the PS3 had a few extra weeks as well in its launch period.
Visualante2
Member
I just don't see how they can expect to sell 5.5 million world wide on this performance... it's not suddenly going to improve now the holiday period is over. Most people have sobered up to their debt by now.
Europe appears to be a massively weak link in their business.
Europe appears to be a massively weak link in their business.
Psychotext
Member
I don't know, LTD I'd say 400k. France, Germany and the UK should account for 300k on their own.
Joseph Flemming
Member
Smirk.
shinra-bansho
Member
Probably somewhere between 300-400K.
France + UK should be ~200K.
Perhaps the other territories have been as unreceptive as the UK though.
Frankfurter
Member
All things considered 300k (until the end of 2012 I guess) for PAL-Land is pretty much impossible.
120k for France, apparently 70-80k for the UK already puts it at close to 200k. Both markets combined usually have a share of sth. like 40-50% of the European sales. Having ~66% would probably be a first, especially considering that the UK is struggling hard (i.e. its share of the total European sales should be significantly lower than usually).
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
The funny thing was NA/JP sellthrough was so low upfront they probably could've afforded a European launch anyway. It still would've lagged Wii U anyway most likely.
Well, the source certainly could've been rounding down too. Under 350k isn't unlikely given the known UK sales and chart positions sort of gives the indication Gemany wasn't too hot either.
Father_Brain
Banned
I'm still not convinced that PS4/Durango will do as well as their manufacturers or the third parties supporting them are hoping, but Wii U has done so badly in certain respects (PAL sales, software attach rates) that it would be hard for those platforms to not fare better.
Frankfurter
Member
What source are you talking about? Again, 300k would be absolutely unprecedented considering the sales numbers we have (UK+Fr ~200k). Anything under 400k would be.
Edit: Dunno if people don't realize that Europe consists of more countries than the UK, France and Germany. BeNeLux alone could easily have shifted 40k.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Even if France is their biggest EU country that still seems like really solid numbers just looking at it on the surface.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Just to toss out the facts since past LTDs have been coming up:
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
300k wasn't all Europe, just the "major" markets. But yeah, that figure looks too low even for that given these French sales.
metalslimer
Member
Wow, so either Wii U sold almost nothing everywhere else or people saying it didn't reach 200-250k were horribly wrong.
soundahfekz
Member
This reminds me of when the ps3 was doing horribly & people would post about how well its doing in small terriories. They def won't meet their projections and will have to revise their outlook without a better perceived value in the system.
Captain Smoker
Member
electroplankton
Banned
If they really enter in the market during 2013 holiday seasons, I don't see how at least one of them won't underperform, given how PS3 and 360 still sells well.
Interesting. But what conclusion should be drawn from this?
That EU is traditionally weak for Nintendo? Or that each generation EU has been more significant than the last for Nintendo?
GalacticSushiman
Member
Is everyone seriously saying in this thread that France is the leading Nintendo country in EU for installed base with the Wii U (or any other Nintendo platform for that matter)?
FYI, I worked at Nintendo France during 4 years, and I doubt this VERY much.
FYI, I worked at Nintendo France during 4 years, and I doubt this VERY much.
Captain Smoker
Member
France - annual hardware sales.
grimshawish
Banned
Am not sure what your meaning. Could you expand at all?
Thanks. I now see that France got ~240K shipped. So what are global estimates of what have been shipped so far? Is it more or less double what actually sold?These numbers are sold-through.
The 5.500.000 are shipped numbers.
edit: too slow.
It'd be great if someone could do the math on what's actually been shipped worldwide so far in each territory and give an educated guess as to how much extra can be shipped before the March 31 cut off.
I think Nintendo France beat Germany last year or a couple of years ago.
One more thing is sure: all remaining Wii U stock that was in GAME channel was sold. January numbers should be very good.
Psychotext
Member
Once you're out of the big three the numbers drop very quickly. Lets say those made up 10m of sales, all the others together would probably make up about 6m.
etc...
My sarcasm wasn't sarcastic enough. I was being hyperbolic. Really just saying I didn't think it was a bad number. I had hoped my edit would clarify that I was just kidding. Sorry all.
France - annual hardware sales.
I think MS really needs to target Europe next time around!!
...still seems pretty reasonable.
Was that discounted at all?
GalacticSushiman
Member
Just browsing this thread and I see a lot of :
'France is the flagship of Nintendo in Europe' which has some truth when it comes to market share but surely not when it comes to installed base or global revenue.
'120k france + sub 100k Uk means 300k EU', which is just pointing out the ignorance of the poster in terms of territory market share in Europe.
grimshawish
Banned
Yup! Been saying this whenever people claim MS is in the best position for next gen. I wonder if WiiU>360 in December.
Ah gotcha. Yeah its a bad assumption seeing the size of Europe, at first I thought you meant France wasn't a big market at all.
So how much more significant do you feel the rest of Europe can be to sales? Think we sometimes forget how big Europe is, PAL charts are basically UK threads.
30% off consoles, 60% off games.
Psychotext
Member
In 2011 Germany and France were almost identical in pure gaming revenue. That's with PC gaming being far more popular in Germany (I'd expect more console sales in France).
$2,974,041,900 vs $2,926,635,700
I can't speak for 2012 but I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar again. It would be very interesting to see if Germany sold more or less Wii U than France managed so far.
I'd wager a little less, but given the Just Dance games are still very strong in Germany I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong.
Most of people got their Wii U under 300€ for sure. It depends of the shops, but this gone from -20% to -60% on hardwares. Not sure to remeber the exact numbers, but I posted it not so long ago in the Game is dead thread.
France - annual hardware sales.
Do you have French numbers for DS and PSP too? Thanks
GalacticSushiman
Member
You do realize I was talking about the UK, right?