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Wii U sales in France: 120k in 2012
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Phoenician_Viking
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Lol.
Germany is not big N market. WiiU software did not chart in the top 100.
probably more like 450k on the high end, 300k on the low end
Captain Smoker
Member
France - 3DS 2012:
Jan 12: +
Feb 12: +
Mar 12: +
Apr 12: +
May 12: +
Jun 12: 236.000
Jul 12: +
Aug 12: +
Sep 12: +
Oct 12: 243.000
Nov 12: +
Dec 12: 471.000
471.000 in November and December alone, that's half of the YTD numbers.
Majmun
Member
I think the 3DS sold more than 80K during holiday period...
And yeah, WiiU month is launch+holiday numbers
Very much doubt it'll be 100k yet.
Latest estimates we had where numbers were worked out was around 55,000-65,000 after its launch weekend and first two weeks. After that, Nintendoland dropped off the top 40 charts (from the week ending 22nd December).
That means of course we don't have very good estimates of figures, but we can say that sales of the premium can't have been very good since then (since bundles count towards the chart) - and the premium is the best selling SKU. For example, last week it was revealed Anarchy Reigns (16/40 in the chart) sold 4,500 copies. Nintendoland failed to make any of the 24 positions below that, so sales won't exactly be high.
Germany IS a big N market. And that's why most of us are surprised in a bad way by Wii U software performance so far in that country.
Thx, always rely on french sites to post GfK data.
Numbers are ok.
3DS France:
2011: 761.000
2012: 950.000
Total: 1.711.000
It would be more imterestimg to compare the sales in the months who followeed the price cut last year. Comsidering that 3ds was not released in january and that it sold pretty bad worldwide for the first months, this year the sales could have been lower in the same period.
Captain Smoker
Member
France and Germany are the best market for the Wii U in PALland up to now.
UK numbers are lower, despite being the market slightly bigger, while the other countries are smaller overall speaking.
Btw not so bad as I though, too.
Just realized Wii sold more than x360 in 2012.Not "in one month", it was the launch-month. That's a difference.
Sales are ok I think, not bad and not very strong either.
But that was expected since it's france after all.
This is everything I have:
(Blue number is from IDG / rest from GfK)
Ah, so if I understand correctly, 3DS in 2011 did just over 500k in October, November, December, while in 2012 it did 471k in November and December, right?
On the low hand you would put 40% of the consoles sold in France. It's the second biggest market in Europe, but they aren't THAT big.
Ok, having calculated a bit more, this is where I land:
The UK should be somewhere between 60k & 100k (and 60k would be a flop in EU's biggest market), germany is about the same size as France in console%% and usually nintendo-friendly but with the lackluster performance let's put it between 75k & 100k.
The next 2 markets are Spain and Italy. Spain is +/- 45% of the market compared to france, Italy about 40%. I'd put both around 35-50k.
All other countries should also come to 70k combined (netherlands, finland, denmark, swiss, belgium, portugal, greece, ... )
So my guesttimate put's it at 400k on the low end, 600k on the high end.
Captain Smoker
Member
Correct.
I couldn't find numbers for every month, so I needed to combine some of them with "+".
So, Holiday season 2012 better than 2011 in France confirmed. And this with a worse Holiday lineup. I can't even imagine what kind of numbers the console will do this Holiday with Pokémon coming.
Captain Smoker
Member
Wii U:
EU: 400.000 - 600.000
US: 885.000
JP: 715.085
Total: 2.000.085 - 2.200.085
Also, Canada, Australia and others should contribute ~100.000 units probably.
Gianni Merryman
Member
Considering that based only on France + UK numbers we know so far Wii U should have sold at least 200k+, your low end estimation seems too low.
Germany is another big market - allegedly nearly as much big as France and also one where Nintendo consoles are usually well received -, then there's Australia(also a PAL region), Italy, Spain, Netherlands and all other countries, so putting all these together I think 100k+ should be a lock.
Interesting, where did you get the October figure from?
Yeah, there's like almost no iPhones and iPads in France, cause we don't like americans... You would be surprise how the french people love the US, especially since Obama !
Anyway, the xbox brand is weak in europe (except UK) because of the lack of software that match people tastes. And during the PS1/PS2 era, France was Playstationland, so there's a stong brand loyalty to Sony in the young adults crowd.
And concerning the Wii U numbers, it seems pretty good considering that the ads were confusing, and given the difficult economical context.
Captain Smoker
Member
http://www.gamescharts.fr/2012/11/les-ventes-de-la-3ds-en-france/
"Le directeur général adjoint de Nintendo France, Philippe Lavoué, nous a communiqué l’information lors de la Paris Game Week. La Nintendo 3DS accumule à ce jour un total de 1 240 000 exemplaires vendus en France, selon les chiffres de GfK. En juin dernier, la console venait de dépassait le million. Au sujet de la Wii U, Philippe Lavoué déclare prévoir un stock de 240 000 exemplaires qui sera distribué pour la fin de l’année en France. Attention, ce nombre ne représente pas le stock de lancement mais bien ce qui sera normalement distribué entre la sortie de la console, le 30 novembre, et la fin du mois de décembre."
That article is from 01.11.2012, so the numbers should be until the end of October 2012.
We already had numbers for 2011, so I subtracted 2011 YTD from October 12 LTD to get the 2012 YTD.
mocolostrocolos
Member
Except from what I've read, there is no damage control. Just logical thoughts such as "given it's the holiday season AND launch sales, that number is good but not astounding".
If anything, it's funnier to see people immediately jump to attack anyone who says anything of the sort as having some sort of agenda against the console or Nintendo.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
name & shame please
Where is that happening? Can you provide a quote?
If you consider 120K for launch and christmas in Nintendos strongest market in Europe good news, you´ll have plenty of fun in the coming months.
Captain Smoker
Member
Wii had 180.000 units.
Wii U is almost 100 € more expensive (no one want's the basic bundle), so 120.000 units are good for December.
The question is how the following months are going to be.
mocolostrocolos
Member
WiiU has sold 2/3 of Wii numbers.
Not bad but not as good as Wii.
Just that.
Let's see how it manages to survive till E3.
Not bad but not as good as Wii.
Just that.
Let's see how it manages to survive till E3.
Psychotext
Member
Damn... given it's their strongest territory in Europe I was expecting far higher. Oh dear.
In fact...
I mean, as for Japanes market: all complaining about the debut weeks because the following months will be (already are, we are in January...) very bad...
I can't understand why we can admit that the launch numbers are not as good as thw Wii ones but not SO BAD to force Nintendo going third party (LOL), even if we clearly admit at the same time that the following months with such a poor release date list (with not so many games and even some important deleay) will be simply terrible.
mocolostrocolos
Member
Plus, I think there are two factor keys that many people are forgetting.
WiiU is 100 more expensive than Wii and economy in Europe is fucked up.
WiiU is 100 more expensive than Wii and economy in Europe is fucked up.
Probably right: after the first few days, there really was no shortage of WiiU here.
For the people wanting to draw comparisons with the Wii launch numbers: you could find a basic WiiU or a premium one everywhere a week after its launch, which was not the case AT ALL for the Wii.
Chû Totoro
Member
Yep exactly. Xbox is still looked by many as the PC players console... specific games are attached to PS3 even if present on Xbox 360 (Fifa, GTA, Final Fantasy...) and the top of mind video game brand is still Nintendo.
Also it may be a little better for Wii U sales by the end of Q1, I've seen many Wii U stands in shopping centers around Paris and it was a big part of Nintendo's strategy for the Wii : "just try it, you'll like it".
WiiU sold 120k in December therefore had a good start, it seems like you just don´t like the idea that WiiU had a good launch in France. Don´t know what the coming months have to do with the available data, other then moving your goalpost and "damage control".
Dude, I'm French, and I live in France. I know there is an anti-American sentiment in France (even though most French people won't admit it, even when you tell them just after they said something clearly anti-Americain). Things have gotten better of the last few years, but I still see/hear stuff that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand.
Actually Germany and France share this honnor, depending on the year.
Billy Big Bollocks
Banned
What were you expecting?
Psychotext
Member
Given the masses of stock? Should have easily done 150k.
The Wii was completely sold out and could´ve sold easily twice as much if it had been available.
As i mentioned earlier, the PS3 sold about 600.000 in the launchweek (in all of Europa of course)alone. And that was in march and for a price of 600.
Then factor in that Nintendo launches are typically very frontloaded (see N64 and Gamecube for example) and Nintendo predicting to sell 5.5 million consoles worldwide by the end of march. These numbers are bad for Nintendo and they will get even worse in the next months.
I'm french and I don't feel this AT ALL. Mocking Bush =/= being anti americain, you're mixing things up.
The americain dream/culture is as strong here as anywhere else, moreso amongst <40 years old.
Majmun
Member
The Wii had massive shortages during that period. It would've sold more. The WiiU can be found everywhere.
Doesn't stop people from buying expensive smartphones and tablets...
Not really.PS3 only managed around 80k and they shipped several hundred thousand at launch in France
People need to FORGET the Wii. If we are gonna be comparing every console going forward to the kind of retarded success it had we are gonna be bombing every console for years to come.
The Wii U is going to follow a very similar path to the PS3/360. Its launching reasonably well but the drought is going to kick its ass for awhile
PS3 launch was 81k for the first week in France. Can't find a X360 number.
Interesting anyway. I've been saying it for a while but more interesting and more important than the Wii U (to Nintendo, IMO) is the 3DS performance. Its at least a positive performance to be up in France YoY in the holidays, even if only be a smidge. I think from this + the other data we have they are very unlikely to meet their FY projections though (US dragging them down bigtime doesn't help).
Edit:
One week vs. one month though.
Thanks for the link.
Interesting anyway. I've been saying it for a while but more interesting and more important than the Wii U (to Nintendo, IMO) is the 3DS performance. Its at least a positive performance to be up in France YoY in the holidays, even if only be a smidge. I think from this + the other data we have they are very unlikely to meet their FY projections though (US dragging them down bigtime doesn't help).
Edit:
One week vs. one month though.
Captain Smoker
Member
We can speculate days about potential sales, we won't ever know it.
PS3 is a special case. Example: It did 165.000 in the UK opening weekend, Wii did 105.000 units in the same timefrime in the holiday season, I doubt that you would say that the Wii had bad numbers?
And Sony shipped 1.000.000 units.
I doubt that you have monthly France numbers for GCN & N64.
Anyway, I didn't deny, that the Wii U numbers in Q1 won't be good.