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Israel Admits Birth Control Program for Ethiopians (2010, new info 2013)
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Still don't see how discussing Palestineans equate to anti-semitism. Please elaborate.
I can't help but wonder how the world would react if it was discovered that tap water going into Palestinian territories contains chemical additives that reduce fertility. Obviously it would get blamed on domestic terrorism and without any involvement or knowledge of government agencies but no single Islamic government would be able to accept that explanation even if they wanted to due to public opinion.
I'm not a fan of a Jewish State but even less of war, I hope the Israeli administration works on their sanity and behavior.
I'm not a fan of a Jewish State but even less of war, I hope the Israeli administration works on their sanity and behavior.
crazy monkey
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harper is a pet dog of israel. He will lick them till he die.
And you were surprised?
Instigator
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Not necessary. You can squeeze out Palestinians from the West Bank without killing them. That's the beauty, or the evil, of the continuing settlement policy.
As for Gaza, the place looks like an open sewer and a prison. Some areas are bound to be detrimental to the health of the people living there, affecting their birthrate. Gaza is also small so there can only be so many Palestinians living there already.
Palestinians living in Israel, now, that's the real tricky problem. The strategy seems to be to make them second class citizens, limit their rights, marginalize them just enough they might decide to pack their bags for good. Not too successful so far though.
Such propaganda .... do mods even allow such bullshit to be said?
Exactly which bit is "propaganda"? The reducing Palestinian population? The strategic bi-secting and division or Palestian land with settlements? The terrible conditions in Gaza? The discrimination against Israeli citizens of arab origin?
and lol at calling for the mods for daring to state the view from the other side. Censorship is sure to get rid of the Godwinning!
Instigator
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Hahaha, so salty. I love being right.
Wow, I never saw it that way before! We should petition the UN to sanction Israel right away. I'm calling my congressman as we speak!
So? You are welcome to disagree with me all you like, but *I* think he is an anti-semite. Am I not allowed to have an opinion? So many of you are calling me an idiot or worse for defending Israel and I never cried about it. You will also note that I didn't call everyone who disagreed with me an anti-semite. I'm not making the assertion that anti-Israel = anti-semite, you are.
I do find it funny that you have chosen to focus on that one incredulous line out of everything else I said to try to discredit my entire argument. "Oh no esquire thinks someone is an anti-semite!" Obviously I'm not going to convince you of all my opinions, yet you insist on extrapolating on this one point as if it somehow invalidates everything else I'm saying. Here's the thing; it doesn't. The knee-jerk overreactions to any perceived misstep of Israel is ridiculous and unfair. No other country on earth gets scrutinized this much for what other countries would otherwise get away with easily. There is so much injustice in this world and you choose to focus on an issue that hasn't even been fully reported yet. We don't know all the facts yet, but no, how rude of me to interject to the Israel-hate circle jerk. Please go on with your baseless accusations of genocidal intent.
BTW, *love* FyreWulff pointing out their former religion to gain more credibility. That kind of desperate cry for attention is priceless.
But,
how would that story even get published when Jews control the media???
Where did he made anti Jew statement ?
can you please elaborate on it. Quote me where in here he made a general anti Jewish race.
Ingueferroque
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This is just crazy. Wow. Ugh.
Isn't this just the usual case of "any criticism of group X" = INSTANTLY scream persecution?
Ah no, you got the wrong guy, I love speculating but I'm not a fool, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is fiction and plagiarism. Greed controls the media and I don't believe any ethnic group (or lol religion) is better at it than another.
But you do smartly avoid my supposition, if an artificial and systematic decrease of the birth rate is deemed acceptable on a group of your own people who as far as I know pose no threat then what stops them from doing something similar to their enemies?
Can't you just admit that you overreacted? You're making yourself really look dumb.
You're proud of trying to turn gaf into a forum of cheap propaganda? Good for you .
I love your bit about Israeli Arabs being so marginalized and discriminated against by Jews so they can leave Israel meanwhile in reality an overwhelming majority of Israeli Arabs would rather live in Israel than any other country in the world. Also more Arabs in "occupied" east Jerusalem would rather live under Israeli rule. I guess that's because the EVIL JEWISH NAZI ROBOTS ARE keeping them under DAS BOOT. PRAISE TO THY ELDERS.
I've been to Israel and I've seen how Jews and Arabs live together in peace and friendship for my own eyes. In Haifa where I stayed for most of the time you can't even tell who's who and everyone goes out about their lives. It's actually quite funny when I see the news here in the west and people on forums trying to paint a false picture to others.
http://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/news/press-releases/coexistence-in-israel-study
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...r-be-citizens-of-israel-or-palestine-1.336758
"please quote where I attacked Judiasm or Jewish ethnicity or be seen as a liar by all."
Going for liar then, got it.
And we're allowed to have the opinion that you're ill-informed and wrong. See how it works both ways? Also when facts contradict your opinion, facts win out.
Here's an opinion: only the worst kind of nationalistic scum would close their eyes to the suffering detailed in the OP in order to maintain their fictional view of a country they want to like.
Dreams-Visions
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Esquire, take a break man. Too easily offended, seemingly unable or incapable of objectivity, and all while willfully ignoring historical precedence.
I agree that as far as eugenics programs in the past go, this is not one of the worst in practice since nobody was sterilized. Yet the base reality of race being the guiding factor for who to give these drugs to under veil of them being "vaccinations" paints a very clear picture of the intention: limiting the birth rates of Ethiopian women secondary to some sort of concerns regarding potential population growth. Giving them to these women perpetually simulates sterilization, so it's only marginally better in practice. It's something we've seen play out in other countries in the recent past. This is a reminder that more work needs to be done regarding multiculturalism in Israel. This doesn't make Israel special; only no better than the US and other countries who have dabbled in these practices and struggled with such issues.
Happy to recommend some research books upon request. But really, stop slinging the anti-Semite thing at people. It's poor form at best.
I agree that as far as eugenics programs in the past go, this is not one of the worst in practice since nobody was sterilized. Yet the base reality of race being the guiding factor for who to give these drugs to under veil of them being "vaccinations" paints a very clear picture of the intention: limiting the birth rates of Ethiopian women secondary to some sort of concerns regarding potential population growth. Giving them to these women perpetually simulates sterilization, so it's only marginally better in practice. It's something we've seen play out in other countries in the recent past. This is a reminder that more work needs to be done regarding multiculturalism in Israel. This doesn't make Israel special; only no better than the US and other countries who have dabbled in these practices and struggled with such issues.
Happy to recommend some research books upon request. But really, stop slinging the anti-Semite thing at people. It's poor form at best.
Byakuya769
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Ha, accuse someone of propaganda, then misconstrue studies to create your own. Brilliant. I've never doubted that most people of both groups prefer peace in the abstract, it's the actions of the government that wins elections that lead to the critiques instigator had.
I already did.
He could have used so many examples so the fact that he chose the Palestinian one implies bias (that I call anti-semitism). What exactly is *your* problem with me having that opinion?
Nah, I wasn't attacking you. Just trying to make a dumb joke. I was trying to hint at the implausibility of people's anti-semitic conspiracy theory sentiments and how they don't add up. I do appreciate that you brought up the Protocols Of Zion because that is where a lot of the modern day suspicion of Jewish people and by extension the Jewish state of Israel comes from.
I didn't want to go down that hole because that's the crux of it all. If people are willing to believe Israel is capable of so much "evil" then literally anything is possible. What was that line that the Neo-cons used? Something like, "just because we don't have evidence that something is happening doesn't mean that it isn't happening!" I honestly feel that sums up the negative sentiments expressed towards Israel in this thread really well.
And if I did, then why do you continue to harp on this one line? You are the one making an issue of it. Oh and you just called me dumb. Can you prove that? Ridiculous.
Fair enough man, even I realize that at this point they're just grasping at straws to try to get me banned. Thanks!
Dreams-Visions
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US and other countries did much, much worse.
I invite you to read this OP in one of my past threads:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434915
Talk about reaching, mentioning Palestine is bias even though that argument I was referring to has literally been used on these boards in Israel-Palestine discussion threads? How dare I refer to something that actually happened.
And let's go with your conclusion, that mentioning Palestine is out of bias. How can that bias possibly be linked to hatred of Jews and not the actions of Israel towards Palestine, which is literally what the thing referred to?
You're just a weak troll and a liar.
My problem is that it is very common to get accused of anti-semitism as soon as you critic Israel's policies. And whether you're realizing it or not, you are doing exactly that.
But that is just my opinion. What is *your* problem with that?
(am I doing it right?)
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CoffeeJanitor
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Holy shit Israel. Insane!!!
Necromanti
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Ashkenazis, indeed.
I think the issue of anti Semitism comes up when people tend to focus on Israel and only Israel meanwhile there are other more pressing matters in the world.
This is a perfect example of this happening on a world stage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCyNiPHB7E
Came. To. Post. This.
Thank you. I was skimming this thread too fast.
Dreams-Visions
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But this is a specific thread about a specific issue. There are indeed other things going on in the world, many of which have topics here at NeoGaf. If something is missing and you'd like to start one, the New Thread button works for all eligible members. That there are other things to talk about doesn't magically mean this shouldn't be. Life and discussion doesn't work like that even if your personal agenda would prefer it did work like that. There is a problem here worthy of direct address and discussion, and universal repudiation.
Gentleman Jack
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Discussing a current event about Israel is not 'focusing on Israel and only Israel.'
That's a fair argument, but you'll find me (and I'm sure most other people here as well) equally concerned about what is happening in China, Syria etc.
Also one difference is that Israel gets supported by many western governments. Germany just recently send another submarine capable of firing nukes to Israel. You wont find Germany doing the same for China, Syria etc.
As for the world stage, yes Israel gets a ridiculous amount of resolutions directed towards them, but that doesn't mean that there's no reason for those resolution. The problem is not that Israel gets too many, it is that the others get too few.
pathetic.
Yeah no one ever talks about any other issues in the world, that is why do much gets done there becasue the entire world focuses its attention on Israel 100% of the time ... Nice try at saying "Hey look something else is happening, ignore Israel" though.
What propaganda? Israel is pretty much admitting they are slowly expanding on the West bank or the borders of Palestine like they've always done. And they do it with no shame. Even Obama called out Netanyahu on this bullshit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/980...yahu-doesnt-know-what-is-good-for-Israel.html
Focus is on Israel because Israel is doing something that was just recently admitted to. Anti-semitism should not even be in the vocabulary when discussing Israel's antics. Anti-semitism needs to remain reserved for when it actually occurs - when someone commits an action against a group or individual solely based off the fact that they are Jewish - instead of an instant defense in an attempt to shut down critique of the Israeli state.
Israel's actions are disgusting in that they go around trotting "right of return" then use eugenics to attempt to get all the PR feelgood benefits of "saving" Jews from hostile locations while relegating them to being second class Jews in the name of keeping the "real" Jews pure.
If you don't like Israel because of Israel's actions, you are not an anti-semite. Nobody in this thread is an anti-semite. It makes about as much sense as calling US critics anti-christian or critics of India anti-Hindu.
Bullshit.
There's always more pressing matters in the world. There's a war somewhere, a famine elsewhere. Why fix anything because you can always find some worse example?
Angelus Errare
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So basically the republican party? / Not much has changed in the US it seems. It's still a bunch of old white people restricting minorities under BS reasons knowing damn well half the shit they do wouldn't fly if applied to whites.
Humans....we're so awesome.
Its sad that such a backwards country garners so much support here in the US. I can only imagine its a combination of Jews being a large minority in the US and the fact that so many people have an irrational fear of anything Arabic/Islamic. That being said I don't think Israel is beyond redemption, but it is certainly going down the wrong path at the moment. Maybe UN intervention of the collapse of the US and Europe will change things.
Care to elaborate?
Eighty Deuce
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To quote Batman "You Either Die a Hero, or Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become the Villain."
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It's also a flawed excuse because the situation in Israel and the occupied territories is a great source of grievances for a billion Muslim people and in a very unstable region of the world. You can't just brush it off as Western media focusing on something insignificant and blowing out of proportions. It's already out of proportions so media scrutiny is a given.
It's not Darfur or Rwanda where hardly anyone cared, despite the seriousness of those situations.
Really? I quite remember when Israel created refugee camps a few months back and there was a thread on neogaf where people were equating those detention camps with Nazi concentration camps with the goal of demonizing the Jewish people. How did I come to the conclusion? Well because at the same time Italy also created detention camps for illegal refugees that were coming from North Africa and yet the "champions of human rights" on these boards did never mention it once and only cared to focus on Israel. Same way that no one really cares that 60 thousand people are dead in Syria but when Israel killed 6 people on a boat there were 100 pages of supposed "champions of Human rights and anti war" users demonizing Israel and Jews and passionate calls for action to be taken.
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