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RUMOR: So Killzone: SF was only using 1.5GB of VRAM
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Angelus Errare
Banned
Totally not Mark Reign. I mean Mike isn't a short for Mark....that and Mark has an account on B3D already.
Also
MikeR said:
Sorry to kill your enthusiasm
not Mark Rein
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1713046&postcount=144
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1713046&postcount=144
That's not Mark Rein. He said as much, and his name is MikeR
Before people get too exited
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1713046&postcount=144
Edit: ah too slow
Angelus Errare
Banned
No because Mark Reign's name is...Mark not Mike. This is a case of people being herp derps
Boss Man
Member
Indeed, but that would have made Mark Rein one of my new favorite people in gaming.
The poster 'MarkR' admits he's not Mike Reign.
http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1713046#post1713046
http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1713046#post1713046
Glorified G
Member
you might want to go ahead and re-edit that post again to say "Random person on the internet:" instead of "Insider"
Unless MarkR is thuway's mythical insider! That would explain a lot. thuway though he had inside track to the CEO of Epic!
I'm never sourcing my posts again.
Man, you could at least have posted the Kazified version of that GIF.
seattle6418
Member
I've been away for the last two days but it feels to me like people are confusing a lot of stuff. Let's see if my hypetrain of thought is right.
By 2012 Q1 Sony was aiming for 2gb in the final unit, their BOM was set on buying 16 chips of GDDR5 and hoping for increased densities.
Dev kits had that 2.2 + 8 config, but that doesn't mean much, it was just a different build trying to emulate final specs.
Devs working on games were working with 1.5 memory, since the footprint for the OS was 0.5 and the final machine would have 2gb avaliable.
At that time Killzone was being made with 1.5 RAM, since the other 0.5 was for the OS.
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By Q3 of 2013 or so, Sony knew densities improved, so they would be able to get 4gb in the final unit.
Developers were told, but since devkits would only arrive in January, they were still working on 1.5 for a while.
So development of games like Killzone went on, and much of the bulk was being done with this setup of only 1.5 of memory.
They got their new devkits in January, but that was too late to change anything for the PSmeeting, since demos were already locked in and tested.
Sony delivers the new kits and says "hey, we're still trying to match Durango's number, if densities improve we will get 8gb, but that's a long shot, so we'll see".
OS footprint stayed at 0.5gb, so developers knew they had at least 3.5 for games, but they haven't even started coding for that yet.
Just before the meeting and when deals of buying memory in bulk were being set, Sony finds out they got lucky and they can go to 8gb. Some developers know this by February, others knew during the presentation.
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That's a reasonable explanation for having demos with 1.5 in mind (which would later turn on to be 3.5 and them 7.5 for games).
Now, such increase in just a few months sounds too good to be true, because some projects might even have to be restructured to take advantage of so much RAM.
I'm crossing my fingers, because after last minute donwspecs on PS3 i just hope things go well and they don't have to scale it back for launch.
I guess if you followed all the rumors in these last few months, that's the only story that can be told... right? wrong?
By 2012 Q1 Sony was aiming for 2gb in the final unit, their BOM was set on buying 16 chips of GDDR5 and hoping for increased densities.
Dev kits had that 2.2 + 8 config, but that doesn't mean much, it was just a different build trying to emulate final specs.
Devs working on games were working with 1.5 memory, since the footprint for the OS was 0.5 and the final machine would have 2gb avaliable.
At that time Killzone was being made with 1.5 RAM, since the other 0.5 was for the OS.
--------
By Q3 of 2013 or so, Sony knew densities improved, so they would be able to get 4gb in the final unit.
Developers were told, but since devkits would only arrive in January, they were still working on 1.5 for a while.
So development of games like Killzone went on, and much of the bulk was being done with this setup of only 1.5 of memory.
They got their new devkits in January, but that was too late to change anything for the PSmeeting, since demos were already locked in and tested.
Sony delivers the new kits and says "hey, we're still trying to match Durango's number, if densities improve we will get 8gb, but that's a long shot, so we'll see".
OS footprint stayed at 0.5gb, so developers knew they had at least 3.5 for games, but they haven't even started coding for that yet.
Just before the meeting and when deals of buying memory in bulk were being set, Sony finds out they got lucky and they can go to 8gb. Some developers know this by February, others knew during the presentation.
----------
That's a reasonable explanation for having demos with 1.5 in mind (which would later turn on to be 3.5 and them 7.5 for games).
Now, such increase in just a few months sounds too good to be true, because some projects might even have to be restructured to take advantage of so much RAM.
I'm crossing my fingers, because after last minute donwspecs on PS3 i just hope things go well and they don't have to scale it back for launch.
I guess if you followed all the rumors in these last few months, that's the only story that can be told... right? wrong?
Napalm_Frank
Member
I remember when Ground Zeroes was first shown and people went crazy. ''No way that is on PS3/360 this is next gen omggg''
Fast forward to Shadowfall demo running on non finished hardware. ''Not as good as I expected. Not really a leap from KZ3.''
To be fair when I was watching the stream I was really underwhelmed by the demo. Then I saw it again at 1080p on youtube... I am fully content by this leap. Also I am glad that people are fighting a war between Crysis 3 and next gen consoles. Few years ago people were certain that PC already was lightyears ahead the next consoles. I believe we will see some really incredible shit from these consoles and it will finally push the PC multiplat games too.
Fast forward to Shadowfall demo running on non finished hardware. ''Not as good as I expected. Not really a leap from KZ3.''
To be fair when I was watching the stream I was really underwhelmed by the demo. Then I saw it again at 1080p on youtube... I am fully content by this leap. Also I am glad that people are fighting a war between Crysis 3 and next gen consoles. Few years ago people were certain that PC already was lightyears ahead the next consoles. I believe we will see some really incredible shit from these consoles and it will finally push the PC multiplat games too.
Xbudz
Member
My initial reaction to this video was that it was running on PS3. I figured they had just found a new software trick, similar to when LA Noir blew everyone away with the stunning facial animation.
When people jumped on the OMG its next-gen bandwagon- I became confused and dissapointed with the IMO small leap in graphics.
They've been trying to tease us consumers with little tastes of next-gen... but you know what? I want the whole damn meal. FEED ME MORE!
Napalm_Frank
Member
I dunno. What is the memoryhog we saw? The share button recording ect has separate hardware for it and multitasking/crosschat is definately possible with 512. It could be more but I doubt it will be over 1GB. Even the PSEYE as far as I know wouldn't require much.
Pachterballs
Banned
woah!
For an optimised, console specific OS, 512MB should be fine. The only are I can think this would blow out during typical usage is web browsing. Hell, I've got Firefox open now with just one tab open, and it's using 190MB memory. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony do want some of this increased RAM. You'd imagine the OS team would be just as vocal in their needs and wants as ND or GG etc.
The craziest RAM related thing ever is the fact that the WiiU reserves 1GB RAM for its OS. Which doesn't noting special at all. Miiverse just runs in a dedicated browser. The rest of the system applications are just tiny apps.
Xbudz
Member
HA!
Yea, I was looking forward to tech-GAF really delving into the RAM and all. Not a bunch of unfunny post (maybe like 2 or 3 that are actually funny), and people complaining about RAM threads.
But is it gddr5?
Sapphire Dreams
Member
Oh for God's sake, RAM ISN"T EVERYTHING !
It's one of the most important tho.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Does anyone have a link to the Mark Rein video with Geoff Keighley immediately following the PS4 reveal where he said, when asked about the leap from PS3 to PS4 that "No, I disagree....PS2 to PS3 was good..but PS3 to PS4 is spectacular"
Something to that effect.
I wonder if even he was aware of the 8 GB of GDDR5...I know he's been asking for lots of RAM for next-gen consoles.
Something to that effect.
I wonder if even he was aware of the 8 GB of GDDR5...I know he's been asking for lots of RAM for next-gen consoles.
The real Rein does have a GAF account. He posted after the showing of the Unreal demo for PS3 back in 06. He owned someone who was saying it wasn't realtime I think. Could be wrong.
Keep lying and hating. Your future here not so bright.
AstroNut325
Member
I'm getting flashbacks to a Steven Segal movie where he is trying to save a hijacked train. The nerdy villain hacks a military satellite by uploading it several gigs of RAM!
nhlducks35
Member
Edit: LOL wrong thread
Except he is right about about the pixelated shadows. They are rare and the human characters do not cast them. It's the soft shadows cast by distant objects. I bothered me as well. That's the only thing he got right.
I also saw texture flickering/z-fighting in the beginning and later hiccup in an animation. But I am not worried because things like these get fixed.
1. Launch title
2. Underpowered hardware
3. 8 months left of development time
4. Unfinished engine
It's got a long way to go... but don't expect the world from a launch title. I expect it to look a little bit better than Crysis 3 by launch.
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