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[Interfectum]

So much for all the industry insiders on GAF.

<3 8 GB DDR5

 

[tapedeck]

it wasn't in the last week that's for sure.


he dev kits have &#8220;either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM. Deduce from that what you will.&#8221;



We have confirmed with sources that recently leaked tech specs are accurate. Though Durango devkits offer 8GB of DDR3 RAM, compared to Orbis&#8217;s 4GB, Sony&#8217;s GDDR5 solution is capable of moving data at 176 gigabytes per second, which should eliminate the sort of bottlenecks that hampered PS3 game performance. Importantly, we&#8217;ve learned that Sony has told developers that it is pushing for the final PS4 RAM to match up to Microsoft&#8217;s 8GB.




Kotaku(Jan23): Have official Orbis docs; Devkit: PS4- 8GBRAM,2.2GBVRAM, Controller




so many signs but they all went ignored because of people holding on to old inside info & not believing it could happen.

Its amazing how many people instantly interpreted this statement of PS4 having 8 GBs of ram as being an "obvious miss-interpretation" or straight up miss-print.

 

[Fafalada]

4x200Gflops = 0.8TFlops
Both consoles have 2 arrays of jaguar cores so 1.6 Tflops?

200000 Flops = 200 KFlops.

 

[BradleyLove]

it wasn't in the last week that's for sure.


he dev kits have “either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM. Deduce from that what you will.”



We have confirmed with sources that recently leaked tech specs are accurate. Though Durango devkits offer 8GB of DDR3 RAM, compared to Orbis’s 4GB, Sony’s GDDR5 solution is capable of moving data at 176 gigabytes per second, which should eliminate the sort of bottlenecks that hampered PS3 game performance. Importantly, we’ve learned that Sony has told developers that it is pushing for the final PS4 RAM to match up to Microsoft’s 8GB.




Kotaku(Jan23): Have official Orbis docs; Devkit: PS4- 8GBRAM,2.2GBVRAM, Controller




so many signs but they all went ignored because of people holding on to old inside info & not believing it could happen.

Fair enough. The point still stands tho: calling for other members to be banned for getting stuff wrong is a bit shit, some might even say sneaky...

 

[onQ123]

Fair enough. The point still stands tho: calling for other members to be banned for getting stuff wrong is a bit shit, some might even say sneaky...

I think he was replying to something that one of the mods said but I can't remember who or what they said but I think it was in this thread & it was about the insiders.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Doesn't the Titan a $1000 card only have 6GB of GDDR5 of RAM?

The PS4 is going to cost an arm and a leg when it comes out.

Nvidia would sell the Titan to hardcore PC enthusiasts. Think about how many of those they'll be producing and selling, compared to Sony and the PS4. The markup on the Titan...I wouldn't be surprised if it was a good $500+ but someone with more knowledge on the subject could probably offer up a better estimate.

 

[BruiserBear]

I always got a chuckle out of the "insiders". If you put yourself out there like that you are taking the risk that people throw it right back at you when it's wrong.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Fair enough. The point still stands tho: calling for other members to be banned for getting stuff wrong is a bit shit, some might even say sneaky...

Not really. If you're gonna make yourself out to be some kind of insider you better have the courage to stand by your convictions.

 

[onQ123]

From that Mike R guy on Byond3D

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1714745&postcount=815

Jaguar Vanilla
* 1.8GHz LC Clocks (can be under-clocked for specific low-powered battery device needs - tablets, etc...).
* 2MB shared L2 cache per CUs
* 1-4 CUs can be outfitted per chip. (i.e. 4-16 logical cores)
* 5-25 watts depending on the device/product. (45 watts is achievable under proper conditions)

PS4 Jaguar with chocolate syrup.
* 2GHz is correct as of now.
* 4MB of total L2 cache (2MB L2 x 2 CUs)
* 2 CUs (8 Logical cores).
* idles around 7 watts during non-gaming operations and around 12 watts during Blu-ray movie operations. Gaming is a mixed bag...

What would be nice is a fully loaded Jaguar chip. To handle Kinect's 2 CPU intensive operations - keep LC count at 8 for developer needs. I did not say that...

I wonder if he means that the Xbox Next will have 16 Cores?

Debatable at the moment (could be more)... let's just say, there are a handful of mockup system boards with different stand-in components, other than the ram configuration being the same across all boards (no pun intended). At this stage of the game, for a Nov-Dec US/EU release... the ram configuration will definitely be GDDR3.

yep look like he is.

Nice!

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

November - December release date is a bit later than most suspected, no?

 

[Arrogant Menace]

From that Mike R guy on Byond3D

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1714745&postcount=815



I wonder if he means that the Xbox Next will have 16 Cores?




yep look like he is.

Nice!

Is he legit? Of so that sounds good

 

[eastmen]

Is he legit? Of so that sounds good

he registered this month and has 10 posts. I doubt he is legit. I also don't see the point of having so many cpu cores , the system is going to be bandwidth limited but who knows at this point

 

[Arrogant Menace]

he registered this month and has 10 posts. I doubt he is legit. I also don't see the point of having so many cpu cores , the system is going to be bandwidth limited but who knows at this point

Yea I'm also assuming GDDR3 is a mistake by him, everyone on beyond seems to believe him

 

[shinobi602]

From that Mike R guy on Byond3D

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1714745&postcount=815



I wonder if he means that the Xbox Next will have 16 Cores?




yep look like he is.

Nice!

16 core CPU on the Nextbox? 8Gb GDDR3, is that what he's saying?

 

[pieatorium]

16 core CPU on the Nextbox? 8Gb GDDR3, is that what he's saying?

I think he is saying 8 for games, with more for kinect/os and they can't change from dd3 if they want to release this year.

 

[Arrogant Menace]

I think he is saying 8 for games, with more for kinect/os and they can't change from dd3 if they want to release this year.

He said 3 for os/kinect that's insane of true

 

[pieatorium]

He said 3 for os/kinect that's insane of true

iirc 2 cores for OS has been part of the long standing rumours

 

[MaulerX]

Sounds plausible. Reserving some cores for illumiroom and protect fortaleza?

 

[Kaako]

iirc 2 cores for OS has been part of the long standing rumours

Yup, I remember reading this as well.

 

[onQ123]

Seems to be a false alarm.

Who knows... only MS can answer that. I was just wishful thinking out loud on the Jaguar capabilities of supporting 4 CUs on chip. It's somewhat (is) too late for Sony to make any dramatic changes to its current flavor. I'm more inclined to believe (97.9% sure) MS next system has a greater LC count - be it a AMD or IBM solution. The Kinect 2 is somewhat CPU intensive ...it's not hard to fathom the Win8 derivative reserving 1 core and Kinect reserving 1-2 cores alone.

 

[artist]

Some interesting posts from this guy.

On UE4 demo on PS4; http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1712718#post1712718

Honestly you have no clue on what you are talking about. This demo was created/running on approximation hardware - not final dev/PS4 silicon. Also, the demo was created within a constrained timeframe for showing. Just for sh**s and giggles, the demo only used 27-29% of the AH resources - unoptimized. Before you ask, there is no link, I am the link.

And here he's hinting at BC for the Xbox but it conflicts with what he's saying now; http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1713042#post1713042

Random blurp...

I wouldn't count on any major hardware alterations "if" the Xbox next system is Jaguar centric. There's only so much custom-customization one can do within a 25 watt vanilla-envelope, without exceeding TDP and cost. Adding random chips on improving certain compute functions isn't an option either... defeats the purpose of competitive pricing and quicker turnaround times on smaller future designs.

If there was a "secret sauce" (hate that phrase), I wouldn't bet it around the current leaked specs/designs. I Bet MS has B/C in the cards though - don't you think? "IF" B/C is available at the hardware level, then I can see their hardware not being Jaguar centric. AMD GPU yes, the rest not so much. My two cents...

Either way, it's too early to start believing this guy.

 

[Arrogant Menace]

Seems to be a false alarm.

I think he's saying he doesn't know how many cores will be unused yield/os/games etc. We will see though

 

[RoboPlato]

From that Mike R guy on Byond3D

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1714745&postcount=815



I wonder if he means that the Xbox Next will have 16 Cores?




yep look like he is.

Nice!

While this guy seems sketchy in terms of validity that would be a nice CPU for PS4. 25% more powerful than previous rumors. Combine that with the RAM upgrade and how efficient the GPU sound like it's going to be and PS4 will be a damn nice system.

 

[onQ123]

Some interesting posts from this guy.

On UE4 demo on PS4; http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1712718#post1712718


And here he's hinting at BC for the Xbox but it conflicts with what he's saying now; http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1713042#post1713042

Either way, it's too early to start believing this guy.

Read the last post he was only wishful thinking on the 16 Core Jaguar part but he is still hinting that it might be IBM that's making the CPU. he says that it's a few designs on the table.

 

[RoboPlato]

Read the last post he was only wishful thinking on the 16 Core Jaguar part but he is still hinting that it might be IBM that's making the CPU. he says that it's a few designs on the table.

Isn't it incredibly late to be considering an entirely different CPU from a different company on a different architecture?

 

[shinobi602]

Am I reading this right, that's Mark Rein? Any way that's verified?

EDIT: Nevermind.

 

[onQ123]

I think he's saying he doesn't know how many cores will be unused yield/os/games etc. We will see though

Seems more like he is saying that the fully-loaded Jaguar design with 16 cores is the one that he likes & there is a few designs still on the table including IBM CPU.

 

[Arrogant Menace]

Isn't it incredibly late to be considering an entirely different CPU from a different company on a different architecture?

MS has ex IBM engineers employees working on Durango

 

[onQ123]

Am I reading this right, that's Mark Rein? Any way that's verified?

No he even said that he wasn't Mark Rein.

 

[MaulerX]

If they're planning hardware BC then it has to be IBM. I don't see it any other way.

 

[artist]

Isn't it incredibly late to be considering an entirely different CPU from a different company on a different architecture?

Completely different instruction set, dont believe it can be done this late.

 

[eastmen]

Isn't it incredibly late to be considering an entirely different CPU from a different company on a different architecture?

Do you know the story of the dreamcast ?

There were two systems being considered an 3dfx based one and a power vr based one. In the end the power vr based one had won.

Some companys can have multiple designs being developed at the same time and they can choose either one before production starts. The Durango leaks were from early 2012. MS could have decided to just use amd for the gpu if they didn't like the jaguar cpu.

It will be interesting to see.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Is there anything to remotely verify this person's credibility?

 

[vpance]

Sounds like he's trying to do his best Rigby impression, minus the links.

 

[RoboPlato]

Do you know the story of the dreamcast ?

There were two systems being considered an 3dfx based one and a power vr based one. In the end the power vr based one had won.

Some companys can have multiple designs being developed at the same time and they can choose either one before production starts. The Durango leaks were from early 2012. MS could have decided to just use amd for the gpu if they didn't like the jaguar cpu.

It will be interesting to see.

Huh, that's interesting. I didn't know the story about the Dreamcast. I always assumed that multiple console designs was a ridiculous myth whenever people mention it.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Huh, that's interesting. I didn't know the story about the Dreamcast. I always assumed that multiple console designs was a ridiculous myth whenever people mention it.

Wii supposedly had an alternate design too. I know that both Sega and Nintendo seriously played with an M2 chipset at one point.

 

[Reiko]

Do you know the story of the dreamcast ?

There were two systems being considered an 3dfx based one and a power vr based one. In the end the power vr based one had won.

Some companys can have multiple designs being developed at the same time and they can choose either one before production starts. The Durango leaks were from early 2012. MS could have decided to just use amd for the gpu if they didn't like the jaguar cpu.

It will be interesting to see.

One of the things I find odd is the 100% GPU efficiency leak does not even talk about the CPU or go into depth about it. Maybe it's not finalized yet.

Maybe that's what the next "secret meeting" will cover. (If it hasn't already happened.)

 

[RoboPlato]

One of the things I find odd is the 100% GPU efficiency leak does not even talk about the CPU or go into depth about it. Maybe it's not finalized yet.

Maybe that's what the next "secret meeting" will cover.

I'm really surprised at how little CPU info we have on either console.

 

[USC-fan]

Is there anything to remotely verify this person's credibility?

Nope

 

[shinobi602]

Is there anything to remotely verify this person's credibility?

No. Could be making shit up, could be telling the truth. Who knows.

 

[RiverBed]

How much ram would the PS4 GPU have? Or would the entire system be allocating from the same 8GB RAM?

 

[onQ123]

Completely different instruction set, dont believe it can be done this late.

Unless the IBM CPU is for BC & Kinect.

& remember the AMD SoC design is made so other chips can be added to it.

I think maybe this is the case for both Sony & MS it's 4 spots on the SoC 8 Cores will fill 2 of them , 16 cores will filled the who chip or you can place your own chips into the 2 open spots PS4 will have 2 spots filled with the 8 Jaguar cores & maybe the other 2 will be filled with the vector unit that I seen in the patent & maybe a chip for head tracking & other PSEye stuff.

& maybe Xbox will have 2 spots filled with the 8 Jaguar cores & the IBM CPU for Kinect & BC , or have all 4 spots filled with 16 Jaguar cores.

just my crazy thoughts on this.

 

[KidBeta]

Unless the IBM CPU is for BC & Kinect.

& remember the AMD SoC design is made so other chips can be added to it.

I think maybe this is the case for both Sony & MS it's 4 spots on the SoC 8 Cores will fill 2 of them , 16 cores will filled the who chip or you can place your own chips into the 2 open spots PS4 will have 2 spots filled with the 8 Jaguar cores & maybe the other 2 will be filled with the vector unit that I seen in the patent & maybe a chip for head tracking & other PSEye stuff.

& maybe Xbox will have 2 spots filled with the 8 Jaguar cores & the IBM CPU for Kinect & BC , or have all 4 spots filled with 16 Jaguar cores.

just my crazy thoughts on this.

Thats yukon, yukon was rejected.

 

[Karak]

Do you know the story of the dreamcast ?

There were two systems being considered an 3dfx based one and a power vr based one. In the end the power vr based one had won.

Some companys can have multiple designs being developed at the same time and they can choose either one before production starts. The Durango leaks were from early 2012. MS could have decided to just use amd for the gpu if they didn't like the jaguar cpu.

It will be interesting to see.

You bet. The Blackbelt and the Katana code names were great and duel hardware even triple happen all the time. Look at the 360 and the two systems the belted it out internally. Its common place for some companies.

 

[specialguy]

Well this seems to be the only spec-ish thread going on at the moment and I've been waiting for a chance to post this. It was DM'ed me on twitter by someone (I wont name them to protect) with confirmed developer contacts. This is from a couple days ago:

Just want to say, Durango will be very powerful. Spoke to some developers today about PS4, Durango, Wii U

Note this person is not a techie, and the statement is worded in such a way it doesn't say "more powerful than PS4" or anything. Still, I found it interesting.

 

[Reiko]

You bet. The Blackbelt and the Katana code names were great and duel hardware even triple happen all the time. Look at the 360 and the two systems the belted it out internally. Its common place for some companies.

I remember reading how Blackbelt and Katana would be bringing a perfect port of Virtua Fighter 3 to console.

I think Blackbelt was a add on to Sega Saturn.

 

[onQ123]

Thats yukon, yukon was rejected.

But the logic could still apply.

 

[chubigans]

Well this seems to be the only spec-ish thread going on at the moment and I've been waiting for a chance to post this. It was DM'ed me on twitter by someone (I wont name them to protect) with confirmed developer contacts. This is from a couple days ago:



Note this person is not a techie, and the statement is worded in such a way it doesn't say "more powerful than PS4" or anything. Still, I found it interesting.

Well it's a good thing you're protecting their identity. Wouldn't want to go on the record for such outlandish claims.

 

[specialguy]

Well it's a good thing you're protecting their identity. Wouldn't want to go on the record for such outlandish claims.

Well, since it WAS a DM rather than a public tweet, I just figured should be safe.

 

[FunnyBunny]

I noticed the old slide included "launch price point" of $299 with Kinect.

Honestly, I think that's a long shot. But I will do cartwheels for a backwards compatible XBOX that's 6-8 times as powerful as the 360 and includes Kinect 2.0 for $349. It would be a day one, no brainer, can't say no proposition.