I'll prepare a statement after I've had a chance to think about it. You know what was bizarre. Very bizarre.
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Major Nelson/MS issues an official statement regarding Used Games on XBox One
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I'll prepare a statement after I've had a chance to think about it. You know what was bizarre. Very bizarre.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
Exactly. I think MS not being forthcoming only adds to the negative momentum.
The Librarian
Banned
:lol Lookin' forward to it.
I read it out-loud, my sprite turned into blood? And something is banging on the front door.
Uhm..
UberTag
Member
Let's just hope Sony doesn't follow suit... otherwise, we'll be choosing between these two guys in November...
Dragon1893
Member
Another vague statement full of nothing. Surely they're just trolling us at this point right?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Goddamn, I can't breathe.
Fixed1979
Member
Winterfang
Banned
LOL
I am putting the coffee down slowly.
Take it easy, don't take it personally. Remember that the PR people don't really know who you are.
NullPointer
Member
The likelihood is really up in the air though isn't it? Why are we only hearing bad rumors about the xbox and not the PS4? The ONLY smoke on the PS4 side is silence.
So yeah, you might be right on the mark and Sony is biding its time before announcing the same policies, but I don't know why you think that is so likely.
Sola Scriptura
Member
*Sony's E3 Press Conference*
*Sizzle reel*
*Tretton takes the stage*
"PS4 plays used games without you having to buy a license."
"PS4 doesn't require you to connect to the Internet at regular intervals."
"You can resell PS4 games whenever you like, to whomever you want, and for whatever price you choose."
*Tretton drops mic and walks off*
/E3
*Sizzle reel*
*Tretton takes the stage*
"PS4 plays used games without you having to buy a license."
"PS4 doesn't require you to connect to the Internet at regular intervals."
"You can resell PS4 games whenever you like, to whomever you want, and for whatever price you choose."
*Tretton drops mic and walks off*
/E3
Winterfang
Banned
Microsoft had all those rumors while Sony didn't had any of that. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised by any direction they take.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
it wasn't particularly traumatic - I liked a lot of what they showed, but not a lot of what they said.
But their coms have been a complete joke... a real mess.
Is Ken Kutaragi heading up Xbox now?
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
ii Stryker
Banned
All the gaming press outlets weren't expecting much in the way of games at tuesdays event so I guess it comes down to me being more informed about it than you.
The only gamers they've alienated are the ones who are having a knee jerk reaction to a policy that's not even clearly set in stone yet.
All I'm saying is wait until E3 until we have more definitive specifics of what both Sony and MS have planned.
soul creator
Member
All of that is backroom stuff. I meant "wiggle room" to the end user. There's no Xbox One systems or games available for me to buy yet, so them elaborating or not elaborating now doesn't change anything for a consumer.
When the system is actually out, that's when all the policies ultimately matter. Of course, that doesn't mean people can't discuss it, but just that things like making final purchasing decisions are kind of meaningless right now.
PedroLumpy
Member
Okay, I have a feeling I'm way late to the party, but what's with all the 'Only on Xbox' avatars? Didn't really think much of them when I saw them sparingly. But I've been on NeoGAF a bunch since the announcement, and it seems a bit odd. What did I miss?
Ace Harding
Member
Thanks for clearing that up Larry.
This should be a case study in a PR class. What a fucking debacle.
This should be a case study in a PR class. What a fucking debacle.
sublimit
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Why Sony should bother speaking now?They weren't the ones that fucked up by having employers saying random shit to the media.
MS fucked up so the sooner they are upfront about it the better for them.
There were a lot more leading up to the announcement. A bunch of them were gone/changed back after the event.
It was just a little fun that started in a discussion in the xbox reveal countdown thread, I believe. Spread quite a bit.
Dax01 is not a dude.found that out myself yesterday.
It's cool. We're all just human beings. Except Major Nelson, of course.
ii Stryker
Banned
I think Sony's silence is kinda telling and the way they danced around the subject at their event in february.
It begs the question though if Sony doesn't do this what kind of support will they get from publishers? Do they run the risk of being shunned like EA with WiiU if they don't support some kind of tariff on used games?
I think I know how they got to that 40% positive, 40% neutral, 20% negative number they mentioned earlier, hah.
Zen_Arcade
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You don't go after people who you think might do something wrong. If Sony comes out with the same practices then I'm sure there will still be plenty of pitchforks to go around. But until then there's no reason to give Sony backlash just because we think they might do it. No matter how likely it is that they will.
Mammoth Jones
Member
This. So much this.
ii Stryker
Banned
so its okay for sony to charge fees for used games but only if they don't tell consumers about it?
uhh okay
Beer Monkey
Member
Thing is, Sony knows they'll be doing all the same stuff within another generation, so they aren't going to bash it. Everyone has known for a good ten years that the industry will eliminate/control resale and ultimately go online-only.
Hulkamania78
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I think MS were sitting back in a room. Mattrick with his aviators and Top Gun Jacket and Larry with his guitar singing 'we can do this together' feet up a bottle of Bollinger celebrating there reveal slipped Gaf and IGN on .......and thought fuck me what have we done................they went from Tom Cruise and Sting to Abbott and Costello.
Got a feeling were gonna get the Console we want not but not what we deserve.
Got a feeling were gonna get the Console we want not but not what we deserve.
Sony has already clarified one of the issues (online requirement to play games - there is none).
The other stuff they've been vague on and could very well be the same, but nothing is there to indicate so, unlike in MS' case where there is tons of reports, and statements by employees. You don't bash and complain if nothing of the sort has been indicated, in Microsoft's case, it has.
Anyways, I really doubt publishers like EA would think benefiting from a relatively small percentage of users paying for their content twice/getting a small cut of used games sales would be better than the amount of money they can make by having the same game ported to a sony console (with minimal effort due to the architecture).
NullPointer
Member
Oh yeah, the questions are good ones. I just don't see it being as likely as some others do, because there really isn't much smoke. But one can make a fine indirect argument.
Askherserenity
Member
I wasn't name calling! I was just being sarcastic. Wasn't really calling anyone a dumbass. And yeah, they said that a couple of days before the event, doesn't make it right. It's still a game console.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
the damage to the brand must be crazy at this point though.
a guy at work mentioned it today and he is a very casual Xbox owner... He said he "wasn't fussed" about getting it because he likes to trade things in
There is a need to keep the idea that gamers are upset at the unknown. Not just for your post, but in general, people keep trying to make a case that there is nothing to be upset about. There are many problems with the XboxOne outside of the unknown policy. But seeing as how you're not even mentioning that, I can't really go much further.
Thank you. Much better than what I would have come up with.
painful fart
Member
Thanks Larry and will you now keep quite until you have something useful to say?
MS endless spinning pisses me off. "Everything is in the clouds" takes the cake.
MS endless spinning pisses me off. "Everything is in the clouds" takes the cake.
It's our fault were jumping to conclusions. Yeah...our fault. Blame the listener MS. It's not like you had a month+ of internet rumblings, leaks/Adam Orth situations to make it clear you needed to be very specific about all this on the 21st.
This week. Wow. This is becoming a farce. I keep expecting it to end but it just keeps rollin'.
This week. Wow. This is becoming a farce. I keep expecting it to end but it just keeps rollin'.
TheJollyCorner
Member
There are easier and safer ways to do this.
They could have made public comments months ago and gauged people's reactions and adjusted.
I mean, look at the whole Adam Orth debacle.
They have been designing every aspect of the XBox One for the last couple of years. Things like 'internet connection required', the used game strategy, Kinect must always be on, etc. are serious components in the overall foundation of the X1; ones that I hope were batted around in internal meetings and conference calls ad nauseum. A ho-hum "Oh gosh! We had no idea people would be so upset about this" attitude is either: insulting to consumers' intelligence or inexcusably ignorant. Either one is troubling.
Using a reveal event, with all eyes on you, less than a month from (one of) the largest consumer entertainment shows in the world, as an opportunity to 'float ideas out there' just seems comically incompetent to me.
Even if E3 is now ALL ABOUT TEH GAMEZ, there are still a shit ton of questions from their reveal mess to answer. The whole thing just seems like a PR nightmare right now.