ii Stryker
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I live in america tell that to Iraq and saddam hussein.
seriously though thats exactly what everyone in this forum is doing.
The system hasn't even launched and we aren't even clear on what or how the policy will be implemented.
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Major Nelson/MS issues an official statement regarding Used Games on XBox One
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I live in america tell that to Iraq and saddam hussein.
seriously though thats exactly what everyone in this forum is doing.
The system hasn't even launched and we aren't even clear on what or how the policy will be implemented.
The Librarian
Banned
Human beings that are different, mister! But what about Don Mattrick?
The policy isn't the only problem though Stryker, how are you not seeing this? Its how it was even worded to begin with, then theres the backfire at the idea of 24 hour connectivity.. etc. I mean come on. People aren't mad at DRM and DRM alone, its doing it in an asinine way.
sublimit
Banned
I don't have the slightest idea how you came up with that based on what i wrote.And why are you trying to make this a Sony thing when all it really is is a MS PR disaster?
Sony will be judged when they make their announcements.But until then at least they don't have their employees going to random sites and saying inconsistent things about important subjects such as the used games market.
There's no indications they wont be doing it this generation with the PS4. The giant bomb crew may be right in what they said in the podcast, that MS are just taking the early flak with this system and Sony may drop a bombshell and announce the same
All Sony have said on the matter is they 'wont block used games'. Well MS havent blocked used games either if you look at it like that.
That will be the day I will turn into a 100% pc gamer. (At the moment I am a 95% pc gamer lol)
I don't get MS here.
Regardless of the merits of blocking or not blocking used games (essentially), I don't see why you would damage your image among customers when we're headed towards a digital future anyway.
Seriously, we're approaching the digital age RAPIDLY, it's hard to fathom how little point there is to this PR disaster for MS. I'm betting Sony (and of course Nintendo) sees this and sends the physical age to its end gracefully, because MS seems too entrenched to back out now (Sony may be too behind closed doors I suppose).
Regardless of the merits of blocking or not blocking used games (essentially), I don't see why you would damage your image among customers when we're headed towards a digital future anyway.
Seriously, we're approaching the digital age RAPIDLY, it's hard to fathom how little point there is to this PR disaster for MS. I'm betting Sony (and of course Nintendo) sees this and sends the physical age to its end gracefully, because MS seems too entrenched to back out now (Sony may be too behind closed doors I suppose).
Relativ9
Member
So basically they're saying that you'll be able to trande in used games and purchase new ones...they're saying this without mentioning the golden words "at no extra cost". This leads me to believe that the reports out there are true; they'll be partnering with a retail outlet to facilitate the transaction of the game "license". In all likelyhood gamers will either have to pay a fee to activate a used game, or when trading in the game a portion of what you would have gotten in credit or cash will go to the publisher and MS instead as compensation for the loss in revenue it reprisents.
weekend_warrior
Banned
ii Stryker
Banned
by all means educate me. =)
The Librarian
Banned
I don't even know what "get to fuck" is supposed to mean.
LOL
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Looks like an ad selling cortana for sex.
China Dont Care
Banned
DAT games
Tallshortman
Member
This statement clarified absolutely nothing. Good job at giving literally zero new information.
NullPointer
Member
Yeah, that's right. Through the magic on Kinect 2.0 you can actually fuck Cortana.
Halo 5, exclusively on the XBone.
I have no clue where to put this but here is what Polygon sources has said.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/43...uire-regular-authentication-checks-used-games
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/43...uire-regular-authentication-checks-used-games
New thread this
okay
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Why does there need to be a fucking diagram? Just allow used games.
Kun Aguero
Member
Then clarify them....FFS.
sublimit
Banned
Please be excited.
edit: the only reason i'm being pointed, is that crecente's tweet parroted their article as definitive truth.
polygon doesn't know much though... just speculation with unnamed sources...
those voices are just added to the pile of speculation.
polygon's article should not be taken as truth.
polygon doesn't know much though... just speculation with unnamed sources...
those voices are just added to the pile of speculation.
polygon's article should not be taken as truth.
Corleth the Fey
Member
'Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games'.
So they designed the thing, but they're unable to make a statement about how it will work? Did they just go and forget or something?
So they designed the thing, but they're unable to make a statement about how it will work? Did they just go and forget or something?
ii Stryker
Banned
I'm just trying to bring some logic and perspective into the conversation. And because the issue goes beyond just MS. Sony should be included in this conversation.
"Confirmed" Issues:
- Forced online activation for all games
- Massive emphasis on TV, services and non game related focus
- Live TV services available in US only at launch, requires separate device
- No self publishing for indie devs
- No headset included
- Over emphasis on Kinect interface
- Xbox One not being backwards compatible with the 360 games or accessories.
- Microsoft's failed attempts to correct PR with contradicting FAQ's, vague responses, misinformation.
Hardware:
- DDR3 confirmed instead of GDDR5
- Potentially Only 5GB of the 8GB ram available for games
- Only HDMI for output.
- 3 OS's? At best, confusing, at worst, a nightmare.
- Kinect needed to be plugged in for Xbox One to function
- Non-replaceable Hard Drive (though not as much an issue, as external drives are supported similar to other consoles. could be a repair issue, though)
- Console uses a large external power brick (Conflirmed by DF/Wired)
- Console is not designed to be placed on its side
Problems with the announcement itself:
- EA games prerendered using in game assets
- COD looked less than stellar
- Quantum break reveal was confusing
Unconfirmed issues that still need clarification:
- How much is this gonna cost?
- Complex used games system that is anti consumer?
- How the hell does game borrowing work?
- Charged fee for playing used games on non linked profile?
- Console that needs to be connected to internet every 24 hrs to play games? (Phil Harrison says one thing, ms backtracked a bit later)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=561777
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/05/24/microsoft-xbox-one-let-down-says-steven-butts-ign/
Beer Monkey
Member
Well that's not going to be a target for piracy. I guess maybe each console will have a public key and they'll give you a key for the game that only works with that console?
Still, mandatory Kinect isn't going to go so well with the military.
EDIT: You know, this system is probably more likely to get a major hack, there's so many extra places to accidentally leave a hole.
Jmanunknown
Member
Why should Sony at this point be included in the conversation? That is like trying to make them an accessory to something they currently have no part in and are not rumored to be apart of. If they do this they will take their lumps when or if it happens.
BlastProcessing
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NullPointer
Member
Microsoft is a slave to their own internal systems. They have to say something at least every 24 hours otherwise the company locks down.
Its protection from pirates you see.
this would be an epic troll & they forgot to mention the quantum processing and their exclusive Gran Turismo/Metal Gear/Final Fantasy deals.
RedNumberFive
Banned
I wouldn't trust a single word that comes out of this man's mouth.
Meus Renaissance
Member
"I wanted to clarify... we will say more later."
What was the point of that? How do they not understand this is just making them look worse?
By now everyone has figured out there's something in the rumours otherwise they'd have denied them days ago, so they might as well get it over and done with.
What was the point of that? How do they not understand this is just making them look worse?
By now everyone has figured out there's something in the rumours otherwise they'd have denied them days ago, so they might as well get it over and done with.
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dragonbane
Member
Probably not. They likely hope to shut us up with all the games.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
You don't need to own the code to own a copy of the game. If you own a copy you have the right to resell it, give it away, trash it, etc...
Technology. being ahead of the law, has found a way to take all of that away from you.
This is a massive hole for them to dig themselves out of. One weekend at E3 won't be enough time to fix/clarify all of these issues.
"Inaccurate and incomplete" doesn't seem to imply that we'll be able to simply sell off old games like we do now.
It sounds more like, "There's more to this than what people are reporting. There are hoops you'll have to jump through, but we're hoping that people will be able to accept them once we get the details out there." And they want to be able to try to sell this to the public on their terms, using carefully-crafted PR speeches that are calculated to make whatever they've got in mind sound more palatable, rather than blurting out the unvarnished truth.
They may surprise me, but I'm not really expecting much at this point.
ibun
Member
How can it be inaccurate and incomplete? It's just 3 Bullet points
- the Game you buy has to be installed an activated via code
- the Game gets linked to your Gamertag, so other people can not register it
- fee must be paid to register the game for a third party
what can they change? the activation? well that would mean he had to say "no the reports are wrong there is no activation" so everything is as before.
the game doesnt get linked to a gamer tag? that would mean, i can lend my disc to my friend and he can play it as i can do. this solution is not satisfactory, since it gets installed and only one did pay. only inaccurate infor could be "yeah you can install it but the disc has to be in the tray" still no problem for the user
if a fee isnt needed for registering to a gamertag, the game can freely sold or given away but still, there is the problem with the multiple installed games but only one is paid.
only incomplete thing could be the official retailer thing. if MS and the Publisher gets a cut from the reseller the game might un-linked free of charge. In reverse the reseller might not pay youfor your used game as much as before, might sell it more expensive or a mix of both, since the business has to share the tight margins with MS+publisher.
Kill Your Masters
Member
I know they dont comment on rumors but cant they read the reactions to accurate ones? They had time to prepare statements...
Also Sony is very quiet about this which I dont like one bit. Perfect time to counter with a consumer friendly policy if there is one...
Also Sony is very quiet about this which I dont like one bit. Perfect time to counter with a consumer friendly policy if there is one...
MrNyarlathotep
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I'm convinced that they thought the Xbone was such a great system that they could ride the wave of kudos and cheering from everyone at the reveal and not have to answer any awkward questions because everyone was so in love with tv tv tv sport sports call of duty.
Probably. If Phil Harrison hadn't started talking, this whole mess wouldn't be happening, at least, not yet.