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[CassidyIzABeast]

Is it bad that I genuinely don't give an iota of a fuck about any of this stuff? I've been trying to force myself to care but I just don't guys :/

 

[M3d10n]

Wasn't it the same with Steam? You get banned you lose everything.

The only ways I know to get truly banned from Steam are:

1) Doing a chargeback.
2) Geting caught trying to sell your account.
3) Use a VPN to gift yourself games from other regions.

I'm not sure if you can get banned by trying to scam people through chat. VAC bans and forum bans are separate things and don't affect your whole account.

 

[legacyzero]

How many nails do you really have to put in a coffin before it's good and closed?

 

[Dogfacedgod]

I know for sure though, I'm never getting my account permanently banned, like I said, those are only for people who Mod their system, Mod games, and Mod their account. Those people aren't "banned innocently", no one is. Everyone who gets banned broke something in the Terms Of Use or Code Of Conduct.

Not for nothing, but Major Nelson got his account banned accidentally once. I'm pretty sure didn't broke ToU or CoC.

 

[Wolves Evolve]

Quit acting like people are dimwits for possibly holding different opinions than you. All this stuff GAF is getting up in arms about? None of it affects me. I like the games MS is offering.

This place is becoming less of a discussion forum and more of a high-fiving convention.

Come on, relax. This place = the internet and the world. This is what a genuine popular revulsion at a bad product looks like. You like it, great - enjoy. But this isn't some gang-attack bandwagon that's happening. No, that is yet to come. This is all well within what they could have expected, and maybe have. Considering the lack of responses from them this week, I think this is what they expected.

It's not unfixable, Microsoft know how to do this because they've done it before.

It's just a bad product. There's no bones about it, and it isn't up for dispute or discussion. Not everything is. Fire is hot, Water is wet, the Xbox One is broken. It doesn't mean you won't enjoy it, it doesn't mean it won't have great games. But it does mean we have to stop talking about bandwagons and piling-on and start talking about a turning point in videogame hardware design. This is the last physical disc generation. From now on, consoles and handhelds, if they exist, will be all-digital and therefore mostly-online. This doesn't mean Microsoft 'jumped the gun' or 'are ahead of their time', they just plain old fucked up. They fucked up looking at what people wanted.

 

[GavinGT]

Not for nothing, but Major Nelson got his account banned accidentally once. I'm pretty sure didn't broke ToU or CoC.

I've heard a couple instances of what I view to be unfair bans. Those bans may have been reversed, I don't know. But, for the most part, they're very good at policing their service.

 

[Sentenza]

Wasn't it the same with Steam? You get banned you lose everything.

No, if you're banned on Steam your account is blocked and you can't buy new stuff, but all the games you bought still work (of course, unless they use the VAC system for multiplayer).

 

[AkIRA_22]

Just..... fuck it. I'm over Xbone shit, it may as well not exist anymore, they are on another planet.

 

[Red-Shift]

That sloth looks like a messenger of death, birthed in the deepest depths of hell. Hilariously disturbing. Imagine that sloth as an enemy in Dark Souls 2 creeping towards you and slowly one hit choking you to death while whispering into your headphones. I'd shit my pants every time.

But it's worth noting that disc games are treated differently than DD games. Disc games can be traded in at stores and rights can be transferred to other users (when these features are made available, that is).

How is that of any importance if you get banned? They are locked to your account, do you really think MS or GS will unregister them for you, so you can register them on a new account? The only thing you could do is sell them, if MS even allows you to do that not terminating the licenses from a banned account to begin with. And even if you do you won't get jack shit from GS or any other participating retailer on a monopolized used games market. If you compare prices on ebay with trade in values at GS you'll always get much less from GS, even after ebay fees. With ebay gone and no private alternative, there is no way in hell you'll get back your entire collection without paying 60% of the original prices again.

 

[Theonik]

Definitely not the case with Steam, it only locks you out of games that use VAC security IIRC. Didn't EA do something like this with Origin and forum bans and there was a huge shitstorm?

That's only if you are VAC banned. If you are proper banned from Steam you do lose access to all your games.

I thought this was known.

Anyone know if that's the case with PSN? I don't think it is with Steam.

Not the case for PSN though you lose store access and therefore re-download privilage but anything on your console is fine, and obviously all your physical games as will apply to PS4 probably.

 

[Shinta]

Come on, relax. This place = the internet and the world. This is what a genuine popular revulsion at a bad product looks like. You like it, great - enjoy. But this isn't some gang-attack bandwagon that's happening. No, that is yet to come. This is all well within what they could have expected, and maybe have. Considering the lack of responses from them this week, I think this is what they expected.

It's not unfixable, Microsoft know how to do this because they've done it before.

It's just a bad product. There's no bones about it, and it isn't up for dispute or discussion. Not everything is. Fire is hot, Water is wet, the Xbox One is broken. It doesn't mean you won't enjoy it, it doesn't mean it won't have great games. But it does mean we have to stop talking about bandwagons and piling-on and start talking about a turning point in videogame hardware design. This is the last physical disc generation. From now on, consoles and handhelds, if they exist, will be all-digital and therefore mostly-online. This doesn't mean Microsoft 'jumped the gun' or 'are ahead of their time', they just plain old fucked up. They fucked up looking at what people wanted.

A valiant effort, but it will fall on deaf ears. Gavin is more devoted to Xbox than almost anyone on NeoGAF. He is unshakable. He is an oak.

P.S.

Spoiler

high five

 

[Grecco]

so its just like the 360 and i think PS3 then? Nothings changed? this needs to be op


wait its not even regarding Xbone?

 

[GavinGT]

How is that of any importance if you get banned? They are locked to your account, do you really think MS or GS will unregister them for you, so you can register them on a new account? The only thing you could do is sell them, if MS even allows you to do that not terminating the licenses from a banned account to begin with. And even if you do you won't get jack shit from GS or any other participating retailer on a monopolized used games market. If you compare prices on ebay with trade in values at GS you'll always get much less from GS, even after ebay fees. With ebay gone and no private alternative, there is no way in hell you'll get back your entire collection without paying 60% of the original prices again.

I was responding to one particular post. You're incorrectly assuming that I'm defending a policy that hasn't even been laid out publically yet.

 

[Kusagari]

I've heard a couple instances of what I view to be unfair bans. Those bans may have been reversed, I don't know. But, for the most part, they're very good at policing their service.

So you admit there's been bans you view as unfair and yet you're fine with MS fucking over people's entire library if an unfair ban happens to them?

 

[Dreaver]

Microsoft is just trolling everyone. In a few weeks they'll unveal the real new Xbox that's actually a great machine.

That must be it right, this can't be all true?

RIGHT?

Spoiler

I wish

 

[benny_a]

so its just like the 360 and i think PS3 then? Nothings changed? this needs to be op

You are wrong about the PS3.

 

[Village]

Quit acting like people are dimwits for possibly holding different opinions than you. All this stuff GAF is getting up in arms about? None of it affects me. I like the games MS is offering.

This place is becoming less of a discussion forum and more of a high-fiving convention.

That doesn't make the choice to buy the black box that infringes on more of your rights than others, not sound dumb. That just makes you sound passive, which is also not a good thing.

 

[GavinGT]

So you admit there's been bans you view as unfair and yet you're fine with MS fucking over people's entire library if an unfair ban happens to them?

I never defended the policy (I assume you're referring to the longstanding 360 policy, since the XONE policy has not been laid out publically).

That doesn't make the choice to buy the black box that infringes on more of your rights than others, not sound dumb. That just makes you sound passive, which is also not a good thing.

It sounds dumb that I want to purchase a product that serves my consumer desires? I'm not buying conflict diamonds here. The product fits me and not you - that's fine. I'm not jumping for joy over the policies, but I buy consoles to play games. And, right now, XONE has the games I want to play.

 

[Mdeezy]

Its almost like Microsoft wants to fail. I can see myself never buying this console.

 

[Dogfacedgod]

I've heard a couple instances of what I view to be unfair bans. Those bans may have been reversed, I don't know. But, for the most part, they're very good at policing their service.

I agree. I was just responding to the comment that any ban is because the user violated the ToU/CoC.

 

[Darklor01]

Come on, relax. This place = the internet and the world. This is what a genuine popular revulsion at a bad product looks like. You like it, great - enjoy. But this isn't some gang-attack bandwagon that's happening. No, that is yet to come. This is all well within what they could have expected, and maybe have. Considering the lack of responses from them this week, I think this is what they expected.

It's not unfixable, Microsoft know how to do this because they've done it before.

It's just a bad product. There's no bones about it, and it isn't up for dispute or discussion. Not everything is. Fire is hot, Water is wet, the Xbox One is broken. It doesn't mean you won't enjoy it, it doesn't mean it won't have great games. But it does mean we have to stop talking about bandwagons and piling-on and start talking about a turning point in videogame hardware design. This is the last physical disc generation. From now on, consoles and handhelds, if they exist, will be all-digital and therefore mostly-online. This doesn't mean Microsoft 'jumped the gun' or 'are ahead of their time', they just plain old fucked up. They fucked up looking at what people wanted.

I'm not sure I agree entirely. MS can change some of these policies. The hardware is not broken, the policies are broken.

 

[Delicious Waffles]

Is there any angle they didn't fuck up

This is my thought as well after hearing everything they've released over the past month.

It's like they all sat down around a table, saw everything they did well on the 360 and said "how can we make this worse?" I don't understand their thinking.

 

[SGRX]

Is there any angle they didn't fuck up

The controller looks pretty good.

 

[Village]

I never defended the policy (I assume you're referring to the longstanding 360 policy, since the XONE policy has not been laid out publically).



It sounds dumb that I want to purchase a product that serves my consumer desires? I'm not buying conflict diamonds here.

Yes, when that thing infringes on your rights more than other things on the market. And you choose that thing, please do not expect people not to address you choose a shit product.

And on another note, if you cant live with out games, fine do you . However I just do not like halo enough to dip my money into a console that does, well you have seen the lists. I think I have more self control than that, also fun fact the xbone doesn't really effect me either. However I cannot see the value of not owning my games.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

The controller looks pretty good.

Yea. I want a PC version. But knowing them they'll do something stupid and make it window 8 only or something

 

[fluffydelusions]

The controller looks pretty good.

hopefully it plays good

Spoiler

on my PC

 

[Izayoi]

Here's a thought; Maybe you shouldn't get fucking banned

Losing single player access doesn't make any sense, true. (and to reiterate; It does not make sense that I, or anyone, should lose access to all content if there is an illegitimate ban placed on my account)

Here's a thought:

Remember when Microsoft banned a bunch of people for playing legitimate copies of Halo 4 early?

Remember when they didn't reverse many of those "illegitimate" bans?

Have fun losing access to your entire library of games for being too enthusiastic.

 

[Calibus]

I hope that false alarm tweet above is true.

Jimmies would be markedly rustled if I invested a grand plus in a system + games only to have the Sword of Damocles hanging over my head let go by the whims of Microsoft.

 

[GavinGT]

Yes, when that thing infringes on your rights more than other things on the market. And you choose that thing, please do not expect people not to address you choose a shit product.

And on another note, if you cant live with out games, fine do you . However I just do not like halo enough to dip my money into a console that does, well you have seen the lists. I think I have more self control than that, also fun fact the xbone doesn't really effect me either. However I cannot see the value of not owning my games.

I have solid internet. If hell freezes over and my internet goes down for 24 hours, there are like six smartphones in my house with data connections I can use for the online check-in. I also haven't traded in a game in years. I'm not going to spend $400 for a console with games I'll probably like less just to make a statement.

 

[Dogfacedgod]

It sounds dumb that I want to purchase a product that serves my consumer desires?

I understand your point and agree. But, are you really purchasing a product? If you were, if would be yours to do with as you please. You do not have that freedom with Xbone.

 

[Village]

I have solid internet. If hell freezes over and my internet goes down for 24 hours, there are like six smartphones in my house with data connections I can use for the online check-in. I also haven't traded in a game in years. I'm not going to spend $400 for a console with games I'll probably like less just to make a statement.

Do you dude.

I just cannot see the value in it.

 

[Uncle Ulty]

I'm not sure I agree entirely. MS can change some of these policies. The hardware is not broken, the policies are broken.

It appears the hardware is having trouble right now too due to the eSRAM issues. Maybe thats why they used PC's to demo their games at E3.

 

[JakeD]

That's only if you are VAC banned. If you are proper banned from Steam you do lose access to all your games.

Where did you see this? I've always seen the worst steam will do is prevent you from buying new games.

 

[Zok310]

Is Xbox the best place to play? NO!

Do they realize that they have to sell this console to people?
I hope they have a place to bury all their consoles because no one is going to buy this thing.

 

[GavinGT]

I understand your point and agree. But, are you really purchasing a product? If you were, if would be yours to do with as you please. You do not have that freedom with Xbone.

I can live with that. I'm not experiencing a moral dilemma over it.

Do you dude.

I just cannot see the value in it.

Games I like.

 

[Chaos17]

I hope that false alarm tweet above is true.

Jimmies would be markedly rustled if I invested a grand plus in a system + games only to have the Sword of Damocles hanging over my head let go by the whims of Microsoft.

No one knows if they will use the same policies with Xbox 1 at the moment.
Stay tunned~

 

[Night_Trekker]

it just enforces everyone to be better gamers and follow the rules.

You can't possibly be that stupid, can you?

How about false positives? How about people who falsely report other peoples' accounts as abusive out of malice? How about actually having access to games you paid for even if they have no online functionality?

Try thinking before posting.

 

[plufim]

I think this "it was only about 360 live games" is bollocks - look at the original tweet, it gets replies re it being an xbox one issue, and they respond to those without correcting them, directing them to xbox one info.

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160

And dig through https://twitter.com/dohertymark to note that the original question was SPECIFCALLY also about the xbox one.

 

[Shinta]

I can live with that. I'm not experiencing a moral dilemma over it.

All in One. Input One. Morals Zero.

 

[GavinGT]

All in One. Input One. Morals Zero.

There's really nothing immoral about selling such a product when the policies are delineated to the consumer up-front.

 

[Berek Halfhand]

I'm glad they're doing this. If you act like a complete asshole towards others you should be banned. Maybe we'll finally see some mature players online.

 

[Kasumi1970]

WTF

Is this for Xbone, 360 or both?

Only the Xbone....i am not buying one. goodbye MS hello Sony.

 

[Dogfacedgod]

I can live with that. I'm not experiencing a moral dilemma over it..

Which is great. I think if you are informed on the pros and cons of any product the decision is yours to make whether or not to buy it. And who the hell am I (or anyone else) to tell you what you can or can't enjoy?

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Here's a thought:

Remember when Microsoft banned a bunch of people for playing legitimate copies of Halo 4 early?

Remember when they didn't reverse many of those "illegitimate" bans?

Have fun losing access to your entire library of games for being too enthusiastic.

good luck with that, there were several people defending the bans!

 

[GavinGT]

Which is great. I think if you are informed on the pros and cons of any product the decision is yours to make whether or not to buy it. And who the hell am I (or anyone else) to tell you what you can or can't enjoy?

That's all I'm saying. I know what I'm getting into and I think I can deal with it. And if PS4 gets some exclusives that interest me (or the multiplats are significantly better), of course I'll get one too.

 

[thefit]

There's really nothing immoral about selling such a product when the policies are delineated to the consumer up-front.

Upfront? We only found out abaut drm and their stance on used games because the sdk documents were leaked by people like superdae wich caused everyone ti start pressing them on an answer, answers that they continued to evade even at e3. You call that upfront, wat uf non of it had leaked you still think they would have told you?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Here's a thought:

Remember when Microsoft banned a bunch of people for playing legitimate copies of Halo 4 early?

Remember when they didn't reverse many of those "illegitimate" bans?

Have fun losing access to your entire library of games for being too enthusiastic.

On Xbox One since you have to activate your games, they'll more than likely lock activation until midnight on launch day. So that situation will be completely avoided.

 

[GavinGT]

Upfront? We only found out abaut drm and their stance on used games because the sdk documents were leaked by people like superdae wich caused everyone ti start pressing them on an answer, answers that they continued to evade even at e3. You call that upfront, wat uf non of it had leaked you still think they would have told you?

It's June and the console comes out in November.

 

[TuXx]

I'm convinced that someone in Sony infiltrated Microsoft, got a high end job and has done nothing but sabotage them internally.

Even the name of the console is a mistake. Someone is gonna wake up Christmas morning and unwrap an original xbox and be pissed.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Fighting the fine fight Gavin.

I have to admit though Titanfall is mighty tempting to me