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[Synless]

3.5gb reserved for the OS is a bit ridiculous. X1 is running what? 2-3 OS's? It is only using 3gb. I don't see how they are using that much on one operating system.

 

[childplease]

Qauntic Dream don't make games though. But whatever they decide to make it will look nice.

Lol Yup.

 

[daveo42]

My favorite CEO of all time. Always batting 1000.

 

[kaching]

Maybe it's because SONY is thinking about bigger things than pleasing basement-dwelling core gamers.
Gaming isn't about playing The Last of Us anymore. Gaming is about ordering pizza through xbox LIVE apps. Gaming is about talking to your mom through skype on a Friday night.

Lol, if that's all gaming is about anymore, stick to a tablet and you'll be fine. No need to even include more than 2 GB of RAM, total.

 

[Eclectic Jabber Monkey]

This has to be a joke post right guys??
.....
Guys????

That or he is a guy who used to work for Sony and name rhymes with Mutaragi.

 

[dragonbane]

They're just citing sources. Not confirmed for now. If it is, that's a large amount of memory, but I'm sure they will get the footprint down eventually, maybe even before launch. Right now devs don't even know how to use 5 GB of RAM properly, so this isn't something to be worried about if Sony can be flexible about this. More memory will come when devs are going to need it is my bet.

 

[King_Moc]

Again... if the Dark Sorcerer taught us anything, its that 4GB of GDDR should be enough for all but the most insane graphics. 4GB's ran Quantic Dream's beast.

4GB didn't 'run' anything. It merely stored information and passed it over to the gpu/cpu when it needed processing.

 

[Sethos]

I would hazard a guess that it's partly for recording 15 minutes worth of gameplay/streaming features of the PS4.

Except it has separate recording hardware for that purpose.

 

[Spongebob]

Sad if true, 3.5GB is huge for an OS and makes no sense.

However, since this is Eurogamer, I'll wait for other sources.

KennyLinder who I believe works at Sony seems to think this is true...

Here's something that makes it not matter:

The Last of Us - 512mb split up over CPU/GPU
Naughty Dog game on PS4 - 4.5GB+

It's got at least x4 the RAM of PS3.

 

[José Mourinho]

People are losing their minds without even knowing if it is true.

Even if it is true, so what? I never grasped why the 3GB for the OS on Xbox One somehow dtracted from it. And I don't see why a large pool of memory doing the same on the PS4 is bad either.

 

[nib95]

This is quite frankly rididuclous. Trim down your bloated OS and assign more of that ram to the games. I get that 5.5GB is still a lot, but 2.5GB for the OS is excessive.

EDIT: I Take it this is not 100% confirmed then?

 

[liquidspeed]

Extremely disappointing if true. Is there 100% confirmation that this is reality? If so, what happened?!

 

[ironcreed]

i remember when i purchased my first sony system. it was after christmas and i had finally gathered enough money with my sibling to plunk down $299.99 (plus tax) at a gamestop. we bought final fantasy vii and final fantasy x. ffx was the most technologically advanced thing i had ever seen. i cried when they cried. i laughed when they laughed. it was a true experience that touched me deeply. there were many more experiences on the ps2 like this that made me the person i am today.

flash forward to ps3. the $599.99 announcement stung, but i knew in my heart of hearts that i would come back to the worlds sony had made so dear. years later in 2009, i purchased one, and only a few months later i experienced the tour de force that was david cage's heavy rain. uncharted 2 and the last of us followed (with beyond still on the way). these were experiences that not only further shaped me as a person, but changed the gaming landscape as we knew it.

just a month ago i reserved a ps4. the promise of 8gb gddr5 meant exciting new worlds, new heights in storytelling, new frontiers to be experienced. now i'm not sure if that will be possible. and i don't know with this betrayal how i could ever trust sony again.

LOL, calm down. Even if this is true, it is still a significant boost over this gen and it will be great.

 

[SirIgbyCeaser]

Sony will never respond to this, to confirm or deny. There's just no incentive to do so. Even if it's absolutely true, no one outside of this forum will understand or care. If it's false then they've just validated shoddy journalism by giving them time of day. Besides, their employees probably get a kick out of reading this crap during lunch breaks.

Runaway bad press isn't a good thing. Sony should have Sucker Punch tell us how much ram Second Son is using and call it a day.

I don't believe this because I saw every Cerny Talk, and at develop he again told developers the system has a ton of ram for games, and the logic behind it was to beat microsoft in every catagory.

Jack Tretton said it too, the goal was to make the best gaming console for the market.

This type of OS bloating is nothing like their philosophy off their system has been suggesting, especially the cerny logic of going for the simple design choice.

 

[kingocfs]

Lots of excuses itt for Sony limiting game potential so I can upload nonsense to Ustream. If it is true, it's bad news from any angle.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Still waiting for proof that Mark Cerny is a SONY employee.

http://8ball.tridelphia.net/

It said "yes, definitely".

There you go.

 

[gaming_noob]

How are these posts getting through? This shit is getting beyond stupid now.

Do you think those posters should be banned?

 

[pompidu]

My favorite CEO of all time. Always batting 1000.

not actually kaz btw

 

[trmas]

GAF never disappoints... I have to work today and cannot even follow this thread because it is moving so fast. The Bone supporters cannot type fast enough in their outright glee.

I'm not sure what any of you expected, other than engineering miracles

 

[battlefieldfan1]

Lol, if that's all gaming is about anymore, stick to a tablet and you'll be fine. No need to even include more than 2 GB of RAM, total.

It's not about what you or I want. It's about what the general population wants.
You and I may think it's stupid to waste power and resources on a pizza hut app that runs in the background of a gaming machine, but god dammit, every non-core gamer (99% of the gamers) wants it.

 

[140.85]

This is quite frankly rididuclous. Trim down your bloated OS and assign more of that ram to the games. I get that 5.5GB is still a lot, but 2.5GB for the OS is excessive.

I'm sure the OS is still relatively small. If this is true it just means they want space to multitask.

 

[FranXico]

Is that wrong for them to do?

The February reveal Killzone Shadowfall demo had been developed with the 4GB setup in mind, so it isn't the best place to draw such conclusions from.

 

[brandnew]

i remember when i purchased my first sony system. it was after christmas and i had finally gathered enough money with my sibling to plunk down $299.99 (plus tax) at a gamestop. we bought final fantasy vii and final fantasy x. ffx was the most technologically advanced thing i had ever seen. i cried when they cried. i laughed when they laughed. it was a true experience that touched me deeply. there were many more experiences on the ps2 like this that made me the person i am today.

flash forward to ps3. the $599.99 announcement stung, but i knew in my heart of hearts that i would come back to the worlds sony had made so dear. years later in 2009, i purchased one, and only a few months later i experienced the tour de force that was david cage's heavy rain. uncharted 2 and the last of us followed (with beyond still on the way). these were experiences that not only further shaped me as a person, but changed the gaming landscape as we knew it.

just a month ago i reserved a ps4. the promise of 8gb gddr5 meant exciting new worlds, new heights in storytelling, new frontiers to be experienced. now i'm not sure if that will be possible. and i don't know with this betrayal how i could ever trust sony again.

Post of the week.

Spoiler

POTW

 

[R3TRODYCE]

It was all good just a week ago.

 

[LCfiner]

Maybe it's because SONY is thinking about bigger things than pleasing basement-dwelling core gamers.
Gaming isn't about playing The Last of Us anymore. Gaming is about ordering pizza through xbox LIVE apps. Gaming is about talking to your mom through skype on a Friday night.

I think staying in Friday night to order pizza from the internet is exactly in the basement dwelling core gamer demo.

With 3.5 GB reserved, I'm gonna need some serious topping customization options.

 

[spannicus]

Multiplats will run equally confirmed? Man where are all the people who was like 8GB DDR5 AAAAAAHHHH and The amazing power lol lmao im not trolling im laughing at all the people who got a reality check lol. Im still getting one but it is funny. To some of you Sony cant do no wrong lol. Well today they wronged a nation. Lol. Cue the Petitiooooon!

 

[CambriaRising]

Except it has separate recording hardware for that purpose.

I totally forgot about this. Makes these posts even weirder.

 

[Can Crusher]

Might as well pack in the PSEye and make a rap song about T.V while you're at it.

 

[RibbedHero]

Lossless recording which immediately gets compressed once you upload to Facebook. I'd guess the lossless recording will be a key feature for twitch.tv, unless the start compressing uploads

I was talking about FRAPS.

 

[Donos]

How are these posts getting through? This shit is getting beyond stupid now.

What? Read Evogas post history. He's clearly a good supporter of Sony

 

[Fistwell]

The amount of RAM reserved for the OS is kinda baffling. I'm baffling'd.

 

[pushBAK]

"well-placed development sources"

Probably the same source that spread the 192GB/s eSRAM bullshit.

I don't buy it.

Thank you. This article is completely unfounded.

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

not actually kaz btw

SERIOUS?!?

 

[Spongebob]

Multiplats will run equally confirmed? Man where are all the people who was like 8GB DDR5 AAAAAAHHHH and The amazing power lol lmao im not trolling im laughing at all the people who got a reality check lol. Im still getting one but it is funny. To some of you Sony cant do no wrong lol. Well today they wronged a nation. Lol

lol no.

PS4 GPU is still 50% more powerful.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

Can we organise a GAF twitter campaign to contact @yosp about this?

 

[njean777]

Even if it is true, so what? I never grasped why the 3GB for the OS on Xbox One somehow dtracted from it. And I don't see why a large pool of memory doing the same on the PS4 is bad either.

Yeah I don't know why either, most pc games do not require more the 2-3gb still. Really weird that people are going crazy over this.

 

[DC1]

He is president of Cerny Games. I think he said in his speak in Brighton that he is not paid by Sony.

Hmmm... Thanks I could have sworn that he was finally grafted in.

 

[battlefieldfan1]

Multiplats will run equally confirmed? Man where are all the people who was like 8GB DDR5 AAAAAAHHHH and The amazing power lol lmao im not trolling im laughing at all the people who got a reality check lol. Im still getting one but it is funny. To some of you Sony cant do no wrong lol. Well today they wronged a nation. Lol

512 MB of GDDR5 RAM has better performance than 1 GB of DDR3 RAM on the same model of video card.

 

[Nightengale]

Sony will never respond to this, to confirm or deny. There's just no incentive to do so. Even if it's absolutely true, no one outside of this forum will understand or care. If it's false then they've just validated shoddy journalism by giving them time of day. Besides, their employees probably get a kick out of reading this crap during lunch breaks.

It's a no-win situation, really.

If they confirm, then welp. Even if it means nothing, it's seen as a 'loss of an advantage', that will simply reduce the PS4 momentum.

If they deny, they'll have to reveal how much is delegated to system OS. Even if it's just 1GB, this 'weakens' Sony's marketing of the '8GB GDDR5' advantage.

 

[RibbedHero]

Except it has separate recording hardware for that purpose.

ARM chip for recording iirc, but it has a separate HDD/NAND/RAM for recording? I don't think so.

 

[Mihos]

My favorite CEO of all time. Always batting 1000.

Can't tell if you really don't know that is a joke account, or if I am just being very poorly trolled....

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Maybe it's because SONY is thinking about bigger things than pleasing basement-dwelling core gamers.
Gaming isn't about playing The Last of Us anymore. Gaming is about ordering pizza through xbox LIVE apps. Gaming is about talking to your mom through skype on a Friday night.

Wait, are you the chocolate milk kid from CoD?

 

[daveo42]

not actually kaz btw

I tried to think of something whitty without coming off sounding like a douche, but I got nothing.

Spoiler

Totally know he's not the real Kaz

 

[Spongebob]

I'm also willing to bet that Sony like MS, are also reserving 10% of their GPU for the OS.

 

[sub_o]

Thank you. This article is completely unfounded.

Digitally unFounded ?


PS: I'm only in for the pun

 

[Tekku]

Pre-order cancelled. How about you?

Made my day. Outstanding!

 

[njean777]

Multiplats will run equally confirmed? Man where are all the people who was like 8GB DDR5 AAAAAAHHHH and The amazing power lol lmao im not trolling im laughing at all the people who got a reality check lol. Im still getting one but it is funny. To some of you Sony cant do no wrong lol. Well today they wronged a nation. Lol

The ps4 still has a better gpu... Which is what actually matters...

 

[iammeiam]

I think staying in Friday night to order pizza from the internet is exactly in the basement dwelling core gamer demo.

With 3.5 GB reserved, I'm gonna need some serious topping customization options.

Sony can maybe hope to match MS topping selection, but only the magic of Kinect will let you "make" your pizza in real time by making the appropriate gestures to follow along with your constantly updated Order Status. Sure, you can mime tossing a crust in front of your PS4, but no amount of RAM will let it judge your technique.

 

[User 108080]

I think people that have a problem with a next gen console having that much RAM available for GAMES should stick to PC only and create their own gaming rig...... This isn't a problem people

 

[qko]

didnt they already state that developers have access to 7gb of RAM, and this article is purely based on documentation of when the ps4 dev kits where originally distributed with only 4 gigs

http://ps4daily.com/2013/04/playstation-4-developers-7-gb-ram/

Anyway gonna wait and see what sonys official statement is

So when the dev kits had 4GB of RAM, devs had access to 4.5-5.5GB of RAM?

Add Magician to Cerny's job qualifications too