Samir Sedlar
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The shit that people complain about is astonishing, the game is as fucking far from reality as space to earth, and yet the complain about not so realistic Gigolo Mode.
I would certainly much prefer that the playing field in video games was more level (less emphasis on sexy/pointless,disproportionately endowed women), but there are all kinds of audiences and there is one for this kind of mini-game. Some people like sex, some like boobs and titillating fantasy. If it wasn't so frustratingly prevalent in this form of entertainment, I don't think there would be such a reaction, so it's definitely not a bad thing to be more aware of content like this. It's be great for that passion to be applied to making other kinds of games too, though.
And, yes, my involvement does definitely suggest a grain of salt (which is why my affiliation is front and center), but the misinformation was bothering me. I do understand the dislike for it, and it's a valid reaction. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't unduly turning people off for the wrong reasons.
lol this sounds pretty fucked up even for a Suda51 game, and I have played like all of them.
I mean I can kind of understand the... idea... for this 'mode', and that Japanese culture would probably laugh this off, and I don't think it's meant to be purposefully offensive, they probably didn't think much of it.
I'm always amused at the people who fake disgust and outrage over a game's sexual content, yet they don't seem to think the rest of the game revolving solely about murdering and maiming other human beings as offensive. It's a highly fascinating look at modern society's obsession with preset agendas
Because not being fully accepting of a minigame where a guy is a creeper who spies on a woman in a bar as he sneaks looks at her boobs, crotch, what have you when it is quite apparent that she doesn't approve (she slaps you if she sees you) is totally the same as reinforcing that women shouldn't have sexual freedom and control over her body and will lead back to burning people at the stake. Well done.
You wanna make a minigame where a woman gets it on as much as the man, fine by me. A woman can have as much sex as she wants with whoever she wants. But this is about a dude being a creeper in a bar. Context is everything.
The american culture are being castrated for this puritanism. Is like this stupid Bob Mackey review of Lollipop Chainsaw:
http://www.1up.com/reviews/lollipop-chainsaw-review
So basically soft core porn in videogame form?
Absolutely fucking outrageous. I can't believe what Suda has done this time, soft core porn is going to taint this medium and the total of 250k people that buy this game will end up being badder people.
Shame on you Suda 51 team, shame on you.
So basically soft core porn in videogame form?
Absolutely fucking outrageous. I can't believe what Suda has done this time, soft core porn is going to taint this medium and the total of 25k people that buy this game will end up being badder people.
Shame on you Suda 51 team, shame on you.
We just had someone who's actually spoken to Suda say the description isn't actually accurate.I'm surprised so many people are defending this. He's not saying it sucks based on any feminist mountain he's standing on, he just thinks it freaking creepy, and from the description I have to agree with him.
Dismissive reasoning that stunts conversation i something I gotta say something about , brah. At least that is how I saw it. Anyways I am done just got back my DCUO member ship, going to super hero for a while.Well then, what's the point?
I usually don't argue or challenge people unless I care about something.
Bored? Lol
is there anything about this mode that goes beyond satire and actively into actual hateful misogyny?
these posters are sick of anything even remotely risque being brow-beaten into the ground as "harmful".
did you hate bayonetta? this game takes the satirical sexuality of that game and reduces it to a purposely over the top minigame.
Suda 51 isn't fucking Tolstoy, but he isn't an idiot.
What I find embarrassing is male feminism white knight claptrap. Holding the opinions isn't so bad, it's the fucking trumpeting them from the mountain tops that gets me. It really does reek of "Hey ladies, check it out... I'm on your side."
I'm surprised so many people are defending this. He's not saying it sucks based on any feminist mountain he's standing on, he just thinks it freaking creepy, and from the description I have to agree with him.
he said that the game is a disaster, it's embarassing, suda 51 lost his respect, he should quit, the game should be thrown into space because a mini-game that you can skip. that's overreacting to me.
Fixed, though I don't know numbers of his last few lol, though Lollipop had the WB advertising dollars.
Maybe if she looked a little more moe I would be interested.
Japan don´t really care about feminism.
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I'm surprised so many people are defending this. He's not saying it sucks based on any feminist mountain he's standing on, he just thinks it freaking creepy, and from the description I have to agree with him.
EDIT to add: I think you're the only one who saw my post, though, so it probably won't matter in the end.
I'm surprised so many people are defending this. He's not saying it sucks based on any feminist mountain he's standing on, he just thinks it freaking creepy, and from the description I have to agree with him.
I get that, and I get that some people would refuse to play a game that features said thing, but why should that be an issue with the game and game creators? Why should Suda stop making games and lose respect as a developer because of this? His character is a creeper, so what? He can make a racist pig that shits on people of different race if he wants, that doesn't mean he's one himself. I think the idea of censoring characters is very dangerous and limits creativity. A flawed character can be interesting as well. No one is forcing anyone to play as the creeper if they don't want to, but his statements about Suda and his team were hyperbolic as fuck and he needs to chill.
Mondo Zappa stares at women's tits, that doesn't necessarily imply that the character designer does this, that the sound director does this, the combat designer does this, this is ridiculous.
I know the sex = violence comparison is flawed as hell, but let's see if I can make some sense using it: If you don't like violence in games and refuse to play a game where you kill people, that's fine, go for it! But accusing the creators of murder and saying they shouldn't be allowed to make games anymore is just stupid.
I'd like more sexy men too. Enough with WWE characters, I want shirtless Ian Somerhalder, shirtless Troy Baker (inFAMOUS save us!)
Just you wait for the Matt Lees Kickstarter 2013.In all honestly, people who actually care about women's representations in videogames should be more offended that people are taking advantage of your viewpoint for cheap attention. At the very least, Anita Sarkeesian puts up videos and actually tries to define what exactly she feels is wrong, most gaming journalists harp to score cheap acknowledgment and brownie points.
don't take the bait mates
How is it satire?
I cannot wait for a deep discussion about moe to take place in this thread.Moe is subjective friend.
lol this sounds pretty fucked up even for a Suda51 game, and I have played like all of them.
I mean I can kind of understand the... idea... for this 'mode', and that Japanese culture would probably laugh this off, and I don't think it's meant to be purposefully offensive, they probably didn't think much of it.
I'm always amused at the people who fake disgust and outrage over a game's sexual content, yet they don't seem to think the rest of the game revolving solely about murdering and maiming other human beings as offensive. It's a highly fascinating look at modern society's obsession with preset agendas
Decapitation, mutilation, blood everywhere. No one blinks an eye.
Very silly scene using completely transparent character types featuring dude trying to get laid presented in a blatantly tongue in cheek manner. OUTRAGE. Man people are fucking uptight. Plus, it's a god damn video game!
Suda didn't direct the game, and I'm not sure he even wrote it.
In this thread: People that have no problem with games where you kill thousands act like they're offended by a game that depicts casual sex.
Again, he's free to think that, to hate the game, to think it's disgusting and saying no one should play it. But talking about the team and saying they're no longer suited for making games is going a bit too far.
It's a creepy game and he doesn't want to play creepy games - perfectly fair
It's a creepy game, Suda's carreer is over - what?
Women can't be sexy? You're more a puritan than a feminist, my friend.
Probably shouldn't use video games for guides on how to date or treat women. Kind of like how you shouldn't go on a shooting rampage because you did it in a video game.How isn't this a harmful portrayal of women and how men should treat women?
If it weren't so pathetically misguided and dangerous, it'd be ironic.
Well done.
Murder acceptable, gross sexism not... mmkay.
Sorry folks, but I can't really understand why one thing is problematic and the other isn't, and I really don't understand where this notion that all games now have to be socially responsible has come from.
Being a chauvinistic jerk is less of a problem than being a murderous sociopath, a role that many titles are built around. Honestly if imitation is the concern I'd far rather see some fool ape the former than the latter, especially if I got to watch the (likely painful) rejection of this cavemen seduction technique.
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I was pretty sure he wrote it. He's also an "executive director", whatever that entails.
I'm not making the argument that Suda should stop making games nor am I saying that Suda51 is personally a sexist.
Killer is Dead is actually kind of funny in that regard. Though I would prefer Mondo shirtless, the outfit for David* is pretty, uh... haha. More fair play than many games.
I hear you, though. I'd like a bit more shirt ripping for guys in games. It would please me greatly. Troy Baker is quite fetching in person, I might add.
*Linked it, because it may contain spoilers for some.