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He tried saving the "It's... it's Christian" line from Todd Grisham when Christian first came back in 2009. God, Grisham was the worst. Matt Striker was fairly decent to good compared to the standards WWE does now.
I thought Coach was an okay heel commentator, Heyman was also real solid in his spots. Joey Styles kind of got kicked the curb too easily, or they tried transforming him into Michael Cole-lite.
And forgot the team of JR-Foley for Smackdown, they were decent.
Perspicacity
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I'm only going to do current broadcasters or at least people who I like hearing/seeing right now in those roles as all of the real legends (Ventura + Heenan especially) have been named:
5. Gavin Loudspeaker + Bryce Remsburg - Gavin is a phenomenal ring announcer which alone might have given him an honorable mention, but both guys have excellent comedic timing and work really well with the various Chikara characters that join them and commentary. Neither would fit in the big leagues, but they are great in Chikara. Special mention to Ultramantis Black for being perpetually in character on commentary.
4. Nigel McGuinness - Probably the all around most likable guy to ever sit in an ROH commentary booth. He has a great broadcasting voice and is knowledgeable enough to add to matches. But the big things that put him on this list is the production of his DVD, which has the most eloquent and candid narration of a wrestling story I've ever heard, as well as his ongoing advocacy for cleaning up pro wrestling. Rather than rolling over and giving up altogether after his in-ring career ended, he has instead become a force for good in the business.
3. Renee (Paquette) Young - She's been a part of Raw for a long time now if you are fortunate enough to be Canadian, but it's been great to see her as part of the regular show for the past few months. The thing that really stands out to me is that she has unique interactions with every single character she interviews, which feels totally natural. Whereas Striker (and Cole in his day) only had two modes (Smarmy Asshole or Terrified Stooge), it seems like Renee understands things like character motivations and responds accordingly.
It also helps that she is one of the most naturally beautiful people they have ever had in that role.
2. CM Punk - He's hanging around the top 3 on my current (and all time) wrestler list at any given time, but if he had to hang up the boots tomorrow and switched to commentary I wouldn't be that upset. He is great at still playing his character on commentary without letting it detract from the in-ring action, in the same vein as Jesse Ventura I'd say.
1. William Regal - Adds instant credibility to just about everything that happens on NXT, because he highlights everyone's strengths and completely means what he says. I actually learn things by listening to him. I'd like to see him on Raw, but I totally understand why that would never happen.
Special mention to the commentary team at PWG (Excalibur, Steen, etc.), their commentary is closer to "two guys who like wrestling watching wrestling" than it is actual athletic commentary, but everyone has a pretty good sense of humour and it just works for that particular promotion.
5. Gavin Loudspeaker + Bryce Remsburg - Gavin is a phenomenal ring announcer which alone might have given him an honorable mention, but both guys have excellent comedic timing and work really well with the various Chikara characters that join them and commentary. Neither would fit in the big leagues, but they are great in Chikara. Special mention to Ultramantis Black for being perpetually in character on commentary.
4. Nigel McGuinness - Probably the all around most likable guy to ever sit in an ROH commentary booth. He has a great broadcasting voice and is knowledgeable enough to add to matches. But the big things that put him on this list is the production of his DVD, which has the most eloquent and candid narration of a wrestling story I've ever heard, as well as his ongoing advocacy for cleaning up pro wrestling. Rather than rolling over and giving up altogether after his in-ring career ended, he has instead become a force for good in the business.
3. Renee (Paquette) Young - She's been a part of Raw for a long time now if you are fortunate enough to be Canadian, but it's been great to see her as part of the regular show for the past few months. The thing that really stands out to me is that she has unique interactions with every single character she interviews, which feels totally natural. Whereas Striker (and Cole in his day) only had two modes (Smarmy Asshole or Terrified Stooge), it seems like Renee understands things like character motivations and responds accordingly.
It also helps that she is one of the most naturally beautiful people they have ever had in that role.
2. CM Punk - He's hanging around the top 3 on my current (and all time) wrestler list at any given time, but if he had to hang up the boots tomorrow and switched to commentary I wouldn't be that upset. He is great at still playing his character on commentary without letting it detract from the in-ring action, in the same vein as Jesse Ventura I'd say.
1. William Regal - Adds instant credibility to just about everything that happens on NXT, because he highlights everyone's strengths and completely means what he says. I actually learn things by listening to him. I'd like to see him on Raw, but I totally understand why that would never happen.
Special mention to the commentary team at PWG (Excalibur, Steen, etc.), their commentary is closer to "two guys who like wrestling watching wrestling" than it is actual athletic commentary, but everyone has a pretty good sense of humour and it just works for that particular promotion.
Net_Wrecker
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Mr. Luchador
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SoulPlaya will be happy to know they are making a "See No Evil 2" starring Kane
http://variety.com/2013/film/news/wwe-studios-lionsgate-scare-up-see-no-evil-sequel-1200574613/
http://variety.com/2013/film/news/wwe-studios-lionsgate-scare-up-see-no-evil-sequel-1200574613/
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Huh. Didn't expect that at all.
SousedLouse
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So brevs, people at school keep dropping the phrase "Chocolate in places she doesn't wanna talk about" at school, and I know one person said that King was a dumbass for saying it, so I know it's from RAW. So, uh, what exactly did I miss last night?
5. JBL - His style's short, sweet and to the point. I wouldn't have put him here a few years ago, but it seems like he's really improved since coming back to the announcer's table - he does a much better job of batting for the heels now.
4: Hugo Savinovich - Very entertaining broadcaster, stresses all the big moves in a really satisfying way.
3: Lord Alfred Hayes - very subtle, soft-spoken commentator. His style made everything seem more grounded.
2: Joey Styles - similar logic to Savinovich - he had this way of keeping the timbre of his voice in step with the pace of the match, and his play-by-play was on point.
1: Jim Ross - Color, play-by-play, tertiary - he's done it all, and he does it so well. The other spots may change when I finally start watching stuff past the mid-90s, but Ross is always aces in my book.
5. JBL - His style's short, sweet and to the point. I wouldn't have put him here a few years ago, but it seems like he's really improved since coming back to the announcer's table - he does a much better job of batting for the heels now.
4: Hugo Savinovich - Very entertaining broadcaster, stresses all the big moves in a really satisfying way.
3: Lord Alfred Hayes - very subtle, soft-spoken commentator. His style made everything seem more grounded.
2: Joey Styles - similar logic to Savinovich - he had this way of keeping the timbre of his voice in step with the pace of the match, and his play-by-play was on point.
1: Jim Ross - Color, play-by-play, tertiary - he's done it all, and he does it so well. The other spots may change when I finally start watching stuff past the mid-90s, but Ross is always aces in my book.
Woot. Going on my Facebook.
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I guess my current fave five announcers would be;
1. Blue Justice Nogami - so much enthusiasm, no idea what he's saying, except when he's screaming "RAINMAKAAAAAAAA!!!!", or some such.
2. Regal - the type of insight and commentary a ring veteran SHOULD be providing. It's nice when JBL name drops a wrestler or promotion, but I wish he'd spend more time analysing like Regal does, rather than arguing with Cole.
3. Excalibur & Kevin Steen - there are a lot of cool pairings on the PWG commentary table, but Steen & Excalibur are probably my favourite.
4. Nigel McGuinness - his commentary is solid and I find his reactions, especially given the circumstances of his career, to be very genuine.
5. Bryce Remsburg & Gavin Loudspeaker - I guess these two aren't really current, as CHIKARA is no more, but Bryce has great reactions and Gavin was clearly so very passionate about the promotion, he was excellent at getting over the feuds and motivations of the roster.
A few DVDs back, I thought it was pretty funny that Steen mentions Super Dragon chewing him out for trying to do actual play-by-play of the matches, lol.
1. Blue Justice Nogami - so much enthusiasm, no idea what he's saying, except when he's screaming "RAINMAKAAAAAAAA!!!!", or some such.
2. Regal - the type of insight and commentary a ring veteran SHOULD be providing. It's nice when JBL name drops a wrestler or promotion, but I wish he'd spend more time analysing like Regal does, rather than arguing with Cole.
3. Excalibur & Kevin Steen - there are a lot of cool pairings on the PWG commentary table, but Steen & Excalibur are probably my favourite.
4. Nigel McGuinness - his commentary is solid and I find his reactions, especially given the circumstances of his career, to be very genuine.
5. Bryce Remsburg & Gavin Loudspeaker - I guess these two aren't really current, as CHIKARA is no more, but Bryce has great reactions and Gavin was clearly so very passionate about the promotion, he was excellent at getting over the feuds and motivations of the roster.
Perspicacity said:
A few DVDs back, I thought it was pretty funny that Steen mentions Super Dragon chewing him out for trying to do actual play-by-play of the matches, lol.
Speaking of Joey Styles. Bryan's promo last night about being a wrestler and not an entertainer kind of reminded me of Joey Styles promo when he quit WWE.
'I'm not allowed to say wrestler'
'I'm not allowed to say wrestler'
I liked Matt Striker at first, but the whole giving everyone twenty nicknames in a match got old really fast. Then there's also the 2010 Royal Rumble debacle.
SousedLouse
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You made a good point about JBL - I actually forgot about all the mollycoddling JBL has to do with Cole during a match. I don't know how I forgot about that when I made my list; I guess I've become adept at tuning that out, unfortunately. Regal would have been my 5th if I had remembered that.
BronsonLee
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It was pretty hilarious in ECW, actually
THE NEON GENESIS
THE LIVEWIRE
WHATEVER HE WOULD SAY ABOUT GOLDUST
I liked the nickname stuff, it was fun. Great enthusiasm.
Was 2010 the one where Booker came back/markout moment? Cause I wouldn't really blame him for that one, more Cole having to force heel stuff. If anything, I'd say the 'CENA'S FREE!' moment was where the writing started going on the wall for him, sadly. HUGE mistake.
On that note, how much of a trooper is Cole to keep plugging away like he has been for almost 15 years now? Dude is pro as hell. Now that I think about it..
Fave Five Broadcasters/Teams
5) Rob Naylor (muahahaha)
4) Cole/Tazz
3) Cole/JBL
2) JR/King
1) Monsoon/Heenan
So just have Cena show up on ROH and act like he normally acts?
Kind of, except fully embracing the heel turn and living off the boos the crowd give him instead of just acknowledging their right to boo him.
Foley quit announcing because of Vince always yelling in his headset, or at least is a strong reason for leaving the company. It's probably why we've been stuck with Cole and King for so long, that nobody else either a) wants to put up with it 2) doesn't get that billing for being one of Vince's 'guys'. JBL coming back is fine and all, but he's stuck with pandering to the social commentary and self-promotion.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa9627_kevin-sullivan-vs-brian-pillman-str_sport
Start of the best swerve angle ever.
Start of the best swerve angle ever.
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Striker marking out when punk and Brian were 1 and 2 in the rumble was great.
Then cole shouting "Who cares about the Internet "
Then cole shouting "Who cares about the Internet "
My mistake, that was the 2011 Rumble. Was it when Big Show or Diesel came out, that Striker just starts saying a bunch of facts, and Cole (probably channeling Vince yelling at him) says, "SHUT UP. NOBODY CARES!"
Also, it seemed that Cole was actually selling the Punk-Brock match last night.
BronsonLee
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Yeah, that sounds right. I think he was trying to go over how Big Show is the largest athlete in the world and was giving comparisons. It was really long winded.
And again, Cole was probably told to nuke him a lot because that was literally right at the beginning of the heel run (didn't he just screw over Lawler in that TLC match?)
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Lol at at yano and Suzuki
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Tanahashi needs to take a hike back to the back of the line!
Daniel Bryan on 20 wrestling beards that grow on you
sample:
BRYAN SAYS: Mike Knox’s beard is everything I aspire to. It is length, it is girth, it is anything anyone could want.
sample:
BRYAN SAYS: Mike Knox’s beard is everything I aspire to. It is length, it is girth, it is anything anyone could want.
LoserMakesGood
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first post in the august ot. Raw was pretty good last night
FUCK! I just realized that SummerSlam is on the day that I move. For some reason I thought it was the week after. Dammit
FUCK! I just realized that SummerSlam is on the day that I move. For some reason I thought it was the week after. Dammit
Perspicacity
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Nakamura has the most boss style in all of the G1. I know more people here prefer the Rainmaker but Nakamura still looks like a bad motherfucker even as a chibi thing.
I imagine that would go quite a bit like his ONS match against RVD. His matches would all take an additional five minutes to start as hes trying to give away his t-shirt.
Nocturnowl
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I have no clue what I just witnessed, I liked it but i'm still in a state of bewilderment.
Better give Kane another title run to increase awareness, whatever day this movie releases on can be the new may 19th,
What was the big deal with that comment during the Rumble?I never understood why that was such a big no-no.
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Wrestling greatest shoots
Brian Pullman vs Kevin Sullivan
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...oots-volume-5-brian-pillman-vs-kevin-sullivan
Brian Pullman vs Kevin Sullivan
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...oots-volume-5-brian-pillman-vs-kevin-sullivan
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Owl watched it! Hurray!
Man, right out of the GATE those two just went for it. Amazing. Match of the year for a reason. I still need to let it marinate though. My other match of the year is Nakamura vs Sakuraba from January. So damn good.
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Nocturnowl
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Was there any sort of major history between the two? are they both billed as tough bastards who knock peoples lights out? because I don't think i've seen such a strike heavy matchup.
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Bootaaay's better qualified to answer this so I would appeal to him.
If you want to see some heavy strikes, watch the NJPW/AJPW "Total War" event from...2001? Matches were stopped because of legit strikes and throwing out the script to be dicks. Which isn't what Ishii/Shibata was at all - but it had some heeeeavy strikes.
I will do my best impersonation of Boots here:
TheAntiBootaaay said:
that was fucking stupid
I was surprised to look after the match and see that there is only 4 years difference between the two. From the perspective of someone that doesn't watch NJPW that much it felt like the young gun(Shibata) trying to prove he could go shot-for-shot with the seasoned veteran(Ishii). That probably is mainly due to how young Shibata looks even though hes 33.
I wish I understood Japanese during a match like that. I can just imagine the commentators putting over how hard those hits are and how much they wear a person out during a multi-day tournament like the G1.
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Why can't you people just use this thread for the PPV? Sunflower is such a bad influence.
Nocturnowl
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The description from Dishonest Bootaaay makes total sense!
I figured it might have been something similar but I guess not, then you had the whole deal where they let each other take free shots at one another which is another interesting act, i'm sure if we could understand the excited commentary team we'd find that they were detailing the long and storied history between the two involving Pocari Sweat.
You just want us to stay niche, you have no respect for the advancement of THIS BUSINESS.
BronsonLee
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If UFC PPVs get their own thread, Summerslam deserves it too! Can'tKeepUsDown
You know what I thought of when Vince said they've never had a toothpick or a dwarf as WWE Champion?
Eddie's right hand totally looks like he's clutching something. Like a pole or something. It's the weirdest thing until you notice the WHC belt seemingly suspended up in the air. This picture scares me.
Professor Beef
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bean breath said he was leaving, so maybe you won't have to worry about him.
You know what I thought of when Vince said they've never had a toothpick or a dwarf as WWE Champion?
So what is Rey?
A midget? I guess that means the same thing.
Rey barely even got to have a cup of coffee with the WWE Championship.
if you look carefully, he is getting ready to catch the WHC belt. I think someone may have thrown it to him.
British Monsoon
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Naohiro Hoshikawa vs Tsuyoshi Kikuchi - (ZERO1 01/06/02)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPa1_dreOWs
This is a real fun match, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if you'd never heard of either guy. Kikuchi is an old AJPW mainstay who cut his teeth getting his ass handed to him by lower level veterans like Mitsuo Momota & Mighty Inoue in the late 80's, before graduating to become Kenta Kobashi's regular tag team partner in the early 90's. By the mid 90's he was a member of Taue & Kawada's Holy Demon Army and was involved in many of the classic 6-man and regular tag matches from that period, but as his career wound down he became more of a comedy act, the perenial underdog who the crowd adore. Meanwhile, Naohiro Hoshikawa was a Michinoku Pro trained guy who made a name for himself as being somewhat of a heavy hitter. He was also the man to wrestle Johnny Saint in his Japanese retirement match in 1996 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev1O2hdZ8uU - well worth a watch). Later in his career, he wrestled more for promotions like FMW and then ZERO1. It was while competing in ZERO1 that Hoshikawa suffered a horrendous injury in 2004. Wrestling Tatsuhito Takaiwa in a steel cage match, Hoshikawa took a powerbomb off the top of the cage, kicked out at 2 and then took a lariat for the finish. He was knocked out and began immediately snoring (a sure sign of bleeding of the brain) and fell into a coma. Ultimately, Hoshikawa was paralysed from the waist down and told he would never walk again. ZERO1 recently celebrated the 20th anniversary of his wrestling debut. Hoshikawa was the guest of honour and managed to walk to the ring almost under his own power. There, his rival Naomichi Marufuji 'wrestled' him in a special bout, before putting Hoshikawa over. You can see a video of that here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFhw5kb-Lo
Back to the match. Kikuchi tries to pearl harbour Hoshikawa, but it doesn't work out terribly well for him. Hoshikawa hits a HUGE suicide dive and goes head first into the freaking railings. He brings it back in the ring and starts laying into Kikuchi with kicks, but Kikuchi's not at all phased. He's had his ass kicked by the likes of Hansen, Kawada, The Can-Am Express. This is nothing. Hoshikawa's getting frustrated as nothing he does seems to keep Kikuchi down, or even bother him that much. Eventually, Kikuchi grabs a leg and brings Hoshikawa to his level, before just kicking him in the face. They trade slaps, but once Kikuchi upgrades to forearms, Hoshikawa wants none of it. He hits the ropes and goes for a drop-kick, but Kikuchi smartly rolls out of the way. Hoshikawa ups the intensity and, although he doesn't make Kikuchi sell a damn thing, he does start to piss him off. Kikuchi throws some nasty elbows and takes control of the match. He applies a couple of illegal submission holds before placing Hoshikawa up top. He hits a beautiful spider-style backdrop suplex, but Hoshikawa somehow lands on his feet and kicks Kikuchi hard in the chest, following up with a HUGE dropkick to the face! Hoshikawa works a sleeper hold, peppered here and there with more vicious kicks, but Kikuchi will not stay down. Big spinning kick off the middle rope gets him a near-fall, but Kikuchi is still defiant and counters a flurry of strikes with a big release German suplex! They clip a bit here, so I'm guessing there was an awkward botch, but whatever. Hoshikawa wants to finish this shit ASAP and hits some big kicks to the back of Kikuchi's head, but still can't put him away. Then there's the finish, which I will not spoil, because it's one of the most beautiful counter manauevers you'll ever see in wrestling. Ever. In short, fun match, dudes kicking/elbowing each other for 10 minutes or so.
Kikuchi gives exactly zero fucks;
There's pretty much no backstory to that one, as far as I know. It's all character based. Shibata is the tough, hard-hitting fighter who was meant to be the rival to Tanahashi's super-stardom, but instead quit wrestling to pursue a career in MMA. Now he's back and more dangerous than ever. Ishii, meanwhile, is just a short, stocky dude who takes a ton of punishment and likes to hit people very hard. Put the two together, and you get a real shit-kicker of a match.
LOL, I like that explanation better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPa1_dreOWs
This is a real fun match, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if you'd never heard of either guy. Kikuchi is an old AJPW mainstay who cut his teeth getting his ass handed to him by lower level veterans like Mitsuo Momota & Mighty Inoue in the late 80's, before graduating to become Kenta Kobashi's regular tag team partner in the early 90's. By the mid 90's he was a member of Taue & Kawada's Holy Demon Army and was involved in many of the classic 6-man and regular tag matches from that period, but as his career wound down he became more of a comedy act, the perenial underdog who the crowd adore. Meanwhile, Naohiro Hoshikawa was a Michinoku Pro trained guy who made a name for himself as being somewhat of a heavy hitter. He was also the man to wrestle Johnny Saint in his Japanese retirement match in 1996 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev1O2hdZ8uU - well worth a watch). Later in his career, he wrestled more for promotions like FMW and then ZERO1. It was while competing in ZERO1 that Hoshikawa suffered a horrendous injury in 2004. Wrestling Tatsuhito Takaiwa in a steel cage match, Hoshikawa took a powerbomb off the top of the cage, kicked out at 2 and then took a lariat for the finish. He was knocked out and began immediately snoring (a sure sign of bleeding of the brain) and fell into a coma. Ultimately, Hoshikawa was paralysed from the waist down and told he would never walk again. ZERO1 recently celebrated the 20th anniversary of his wrestling debut. Hoshikawa was the guest of honour and managed to walk to the ring almost under his own power. There, his rival Naomichi Marufuji 'wrestled' him in a special bout, before putting Hoshikawa over. You can see a video of that here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFhw5kb-Lo
Back to the match. Kikuchi tries to pearl harbour Hoshikawa, but it doesn't work out terribly well for him. Hoshikawa hits a HUGE suicide dive and goes head first into the freaking railings. He brings it back in the ring and starts laying into Kikuchi with kicks, but Kikuchi's not at all phased. He's had his ass kicked by the likes of Hansen, Kawada, The Can-Am Express. This is nothing. Hoshikawa's getting frustrated as nothing he does seems to keep Kikuchi down, or even bother him that much. Eventually, Kikuchi grabs a leg and brings Hoshikawa to his level, before just kicking him in the face. They trade slaps, but once Kikuchi upgrades to forearms, Hoshikawa wants none of it. He hits the ropes and goes for a drop-kick, but Kikuchi smartly rolls out of the way. Hoshikawa ups the intensity and, although he doesn't make Kikuchi sell a damn thing, he does start to piss him off. Kikuchi throws some nasty elbows and takes control of the match. He applies a couple of illegal submission holds before placing Hoshikawa up top. He hits a beautiful spider-style backdrop suplex, but Hoshikawa somehow lands on his feet and kicks Kikuchi hard in the chest, following up with a HUGE dropkick to the face! Hoshikawa works a sleeper hold, peppered here and there with more vicious kicks, but Kikuchi will not stay down. Big spinning kick off the middle rope gets him a near-fall, but Kikuchi is still defiant and counters a flurry of strikes with a big release German suplex! They clip a bit here, so I'm guessing there was an awkward botch, but whatever. Hoshikawa wants to finish this shit ASAP and hits some big kicks to the back of Kikuchi's head, but still can't put him away. Then there's the finish, which I will not spoil, because it's one of the most beautiful counter manauevers you'll ever see in wrestling. Ever. In short, fun match, dudes kicking/elbowing each other for 10 minutes or so.
Kikuchi gives exactly zero fucks;
There's pretty much no backstory to that one, as far as I know. It's all character based. Shibata is the tough, hard-hitting fighter who was meant to be the rival to Tanahashi's super-stardom, but instead quit wrestling to pursue a career in MMA. Now he's back and more dangerous than ever. Ishii, meanwhile, is just a short, stocky dude who takes a ton of punishment and likes to hit people very hard. Put the two together, and you get a real shit-kicker of a match.
Sunflower said:
LOL, I like that explanation better.
I like when Cena mentions Rey being WWE Champ.