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[BruiserBear]

The only "lame" thing here is the first thing people think of is "They are doing this to counter the PS4!". Which tells us more about the mindset people come in and look at this info. Feels like more desperation to defend something that doesn't need defending.

It's blatantly obvious that's exactly what they're doing. The realization set in over the past 6 months that their competitor's machine was significantly more powerful and easy to work with, developers are complaining about this behind the scenes, so they're doing everything they can to minimize the damage.

If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you, but it's staring everyone right in the face at this point. When you throw a $100 price difference in the mix, and a significant lead for PS4 pre-orders, it's easy to see why they're so concerned.

 

[AgentP]

So just like every console ever, they were conservative with their reservation and want to give back some over time. Wow, not really news, but anything to beat on the "we are not that weak" narrative.

 

[tkalamba]

No. I have never seen pre-launch upclocks before. Downclocks yes. Correct me if I missed anything.

Didn't the 360 see a boost some time before it's launch? Correct me if I'm wrong but I do recall seeing something like that.

 

[Impeccable]

Yeah but I'm pretty sure Sony gave themselves some wiggle room to evolve the OS over ten years. PS4 can have all the GPU advantage it wants, but if the OS is as clunky and basic as the stuff on Smart TVs, people will complain.

If the OS is clunky and basic as the stuff on my Smart TV they have taken a step backwards from the PS3.

 

[Dragon]

You guys really need to get off your stupidly high, biased high horse.

Leadbetter is kind of a biased clown so perhaps you should take your own advice.

Thanks to all the posters for reminding everyone of the PS4s flop and rop advantages, this article speaks about OS footprint and MS attempt to reduce this over time, which obviously cant be discussed without continual affirmation of the PS4 power advantage. Especially helpful are the comparisons to a mythical PS4 with no OS footprint. Afterall, if we let those who are interested in the xbox one discuss specs on their own, they would all just eat up MSs message without questions. Thats why the community here is so great, for their "balance".

The salt is strong with this one.

I think it's okay to put it into perspective because most people won't know what it means. Like the person claiming this is a good thing.

 

[DidntKnowJack]

Did someone really make a "first!" post?

Anyway, it's interesting they keep doing this with the XB1. I mean, it's a positive thing, it just seems unusual that it seems to happen every couple of weeks. (Well, it seems like every couple of weeks.)

 

[IT Slave]

Once again, you enter a highly technical discussion throwing out the same talking point about "bu bu bu bu graphics don't matter to the hardcore."

C'mon mang.

Jesus Christ, console wars are serious business! You got a dog in this hunt?

I said nothing to that effect.

 

[ouge123]

just like the ram for game: 5G vs 7G

so now it is 1.31*90% vs 1.84*100%

right?

 

[MrRegularGuy]

But aren't you guys forgetting the infinite power of the cloud that will increase the Xbox's power by three 360s?
It's like no one here is excited for the cloud.

 

[statham]

Microsoft could just get rid of SNAP and KINECT and give the developers 100% of the GPU.

Wouldn't that be awesome?

No. I don't want a PS4 clone.

 

[lherre]

Nice PR article.

 

[Skeff]

Yeah but I'm pretty sure Sony gave themselves some wiggle room to evolve the OS over ten years. PS4 can have all the GPU advantage it wants, but if the OS is as clunky and basic as the stuff on Smart TVs, people will complain.

If only we had seen videos of Sony having a feature pacjed lighting fast OS on PS4...oh shit, we have.

 

[Whiteshirt]

Most of those development difficulties are blamed on the Cell Processor in the end, the point is, its a beautiful game, and it wasn't the only one on the PS3. It's not like there aren't any other talented studios out there that can't make a gorgeous game.

The problem is that there really isn't. How many developers can you write down that actually push a console's hardware to its limits? I can count Naughty Dog, SSM, 343 and probably CD Projekt. That's four developers.

 

[GameSeeker]

How can tell which OS is faster without actually seeing both of them in action and then directly comparing them? Nothing I've seen of the Xbox One OS remotely suggests it's slow.

Please don't confuse UI performance with OS performance. Both Xbone and PS4 will have quick UI's, so customers don't complain about the OS being "slow" like in the Wii U.

But, games don't run on the UI, they run on an API provided by the OS. Microsoft's approach of using a hypervisor + game partition is guaranteed to be slower than Sony's single OS approach. Hypervisor's are never free. They always extract a performance penalty, even when you work extra hard to keep it small.

 

[darkwing]

just like the ram for game: 5G vs 7G

so now it is 1.31*90% vs 1.84*100%

right?

well to be fair, we don't know how much % is the PS4 allocating for the OS

 

[R3TRODYCE]

You guys are always adorable.

Should I have put "Sounds negative?"

 

[nelsonroyale]

Why is this even news...?

 

[watership]

Nice PR article.

If the article is fact, and people love reading tech about the new consoles, why is it PR?

Because you said so?

 

[darkwing]

GPU resources? Less than 1% is my guess.

yeah most likely

 

[cyberheater]

Someone who knows please explain this to me. I've compared the GPU in Xbox One which is around 1.3Tflops to a GTX560 which is also around 1.3Tflops. I've been told you can't compare GPU's that way and that somehow, a Tflop from AMD is not as powerful as a Tflop from nVidia.
Why? And if that's the case, what relevance does it have to the GPU's in Xbox One and PS4?

 

[ouge123]

well to be fair, we don't know how much % is the PS4 allocating for the OS

obviously it is 0%. Sony the world's most advanced operation system company confirmed!!!!

 

[USC-fan]

just like the ram for game: 5G vs 7G

so now it is 1.31*90% vs 1.84*100%

right?

PS4 ram is somewhere between 4.5-5.5GB based on rumors

We have no idea about reserves beside the 2 cpu cores. This is based on killzone slide from early this year.

obvious it is 0%. Sony the world's most advanced operation system company confirmed!!!!

Sony os is based on http://www.freebsd.org/

Someone who knows please explain this to me. I've compared the GPU in Xbox One which is around 1.3Tflops to a GTX560 which is also around 1.3Tflops. I've been told you can't compare GPU's that way and that somehow, a Tflop from AMD is not as powerful as a Tflop from nVidia.
Why? And if that's the case, what relevance does it have to the GPU's in Xbox One and PS4?

Just look at the performance between the cards. It best to compare same family of card with flops. Since they are all based on the same design.

Nice PR article.

Oh snap!!

 

[AgentP]

No. I don't want a PS4 clone.

You mean a 360 2006 clone? Ya, that would suck, great games and $399.

 

[Skeff]

If the article is fact, and people love reading tech about the new consoles, why is it PR?

Because you said so?

Because he likely has an xb1 and ps4 on the desk in front of him, He's not uninformed on these matters.

 

[IT Slave]

If the OS is clunky and basic as the stuff on my Smart TV they have taken a step backwards from the PS3.

Smart TVs will continue to get better and both of these consoles are overlapping into that market so they will always have to be far ahead. In five years, I have no doubt that TVs will have multicore SoCs and be able to do some sort of multi-tasking.

 

[Dragon]

obvious it is 0%. Sony the world's most advanced operation system company confirmed!!!!

Your sarcasm is actually most likely correct regarding the GPU.

 

[darkwing]

Someone who knows please explain this to me. I've compared the GPU in Xbox One which is around 1.3Tflops to a GTX560 which is also around 1.3Tflops. I've been told you can't compare GPU's that way and that somehow, a Tflop from AMD is not as powerful as a Tflop from nVidia.
Why? And if that's the case, what relevance does it have to the GPU's in Xbox One and PS4?

I thought they were both from AMD?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Yeah but I'm pretty sure Sony gave themselves some wiggle room to evolve the OS over ten years. PS4 can have all the GPU advantage it wants, but if the OS is as clunky and basic as the stuff on Smart TVs, people will complain.

Come on now. This is such bogus crap when you nor anyone has had any hands on time with and we've seen much more of it in action compared to Xbone's UI. If anything, why aren't you being as critical about MSFT's Xbone UI when we've seen hardly anything as expansive as the functioning PS4 UI?

Thanks to all the posters for reminding everyone of the PS4s flop and rop advantages, this article speaks about OS footprint and MS attempt to reduce this over time, which obviously cant be discussed without continual affirmation of the PS4 power advantage. Especially helpful are the comparisons to a mythical PS4 with no OS footprint. Afterall, if we let those who are interested in the xbox one discuss specs on their own, they would all just eat up MSs message without questions. Thats why the community here is so great, for their "balance".

You called this SonyGAF last time. Are you really this dense and don't know how to keep your fanboy roots a little more transparent?

 

[Skeff]

PS4 ram is somewhere between 4.5-5.5GB based on rumors

We have no idea about reserves beside the 2 cpu cores. This is based on killzone slide from early this year.

6gb is being used on games in development, thought we'd been through this?

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Wow 1st, cool news!

Wtf is this useless comment? This isn't Youtube.

Anyway, the only real revelation from this article is confirmation of the 10% GPU reservation for OS/Snap/Kinect. Pretty steep for an already disadvantaged console, but hopefully that means the UI navigation and Snap features will truly be lightning speed. So that's reassuring. (And yes, it goes without saying PS4 will reserve GPU for the OS, but 10% is rather high, regardless)

 

[gofreak]

Yeah but I'm pretty sure Sony gave themselves some wiggle room to evolve the OS over ten years. PS4 can have all the GPU advantage it wants, but if the OS is as clunky and basic as the stuff on Smart TVs, people will complain.

Yes.

But let's say Sony took the same reservation, in absolute terms, as on XB1.

That would be - using flops as the metric - 1.71Tflops.

1.71 : 1.18 = ~45% difference, up from 1.31 : 1.84 = ~40% difference

If Sony takes half the reserve XB1 does, that would be:

1.77 : 1.18 = ~50% difference

I reckon it'd be somewhere between those two scenarios.

Of course, devs already knew about this, but we didn't so much. We heard these rumours but I think it's the first time we've had it out of the horse's mouth (?) And having it confirmed again post-upclock is significant, one might have thought they might reduce the reserve in light of that.

 

[flkraven]

GAF, what am I supposed to feel. Is this good or bad? What is the appropriate gif to use!!

Did I...Did I do it right?

In all seriousness, does this mean that the 1.31 TFLOPS figure includes the 10% that is being reserved or does it exclude that amount?

 

[Impeccable]

The more I read this thread the more I am starting to think it will be littered with corpses.

 

[TheOddOne]

It's blatantly obvious that's exactly what they're doing. The realization set in over the past 6 months that their competitor's machine was significantly more powerful and easy to work with, developers are complaining about this behind the scenes, so they're doing everything they can to minimize the damage at this point.

If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you, but it's staring everyone right in the face at this point.

No it isn’t, people read more into stuff because their mindset is already set – this counts for both sides. Look at how people fail to read an OP and reply before they even think. It’s a perfect example of going overboard and getting defensive and/or petty because they think that there is only one way to look at the story.

 

[Skeff]

Smart TVs will continue to get better and both of these consoles are overlapping into that market so they will always have to be far ahead. In five years, I have no doubt that TVs will have multicore SoCs and be able to do some sort of multi-tasking.

Again, the UI isn't clunky, we have videos of it, it's incredibly fast.

 

[onQ123]

And we get games like the Last of Us on the PS3, doesn't this indicate that people are overemphasizing the differences in specs? Both consoles will likely shell out some gorgeous games, but the way some people freak out, you'd think the X1 could only handle games from a generation ago.

No! because the Cell wasn't just any old CPU it had the SPE's that was able to handle graphical tasks that pushed the PS3 CPU/GPU combo over the Xbox 360 CPU/GPU combo .

 

[Lord Error]

I'm guessing what they plan on doing eventually is having this 10% as some kind of flexible resource - as in you will be able to use it, but be prepared to scale down visuals the moment the user uses Kinect or Snap mode, because at that moment this portion of GPU will be re-allocated to those features.

 

[Row]

No. I don't want a PS4 clone.

More power at a lower cost? Terrifying

 

[ekim]

In all seriousness, does this mean that the 1.31 TFLOPS figure includes the 10% that is being reserved or does it exclude that amount?

You have to remove 10% from the 1.31 TFlops.
--> 1.18TFlops at launch (assuming they really free that 10% up later)

 

[AdmiralPain]

And this is why companies do this PR spinning. It actually works.

Wait, why is it bad news? How can more performance be bad news?

 

[DangerMouse]

So PS4 back up to 56% GPU advantage.

Yup, or so, since this hasn't actually been implemented yet to get any resources back LOL

Nice unintentional backfire yet again from Leadbetter trying to cover for Microsoft.

6gb is being used on games in development, thought we'd been through this?

This. How many times do we need to go through this.

 

[Derrick01]

Should I have put "Sounds negative?"

Please don't! I enjoy watching you and the other xbox fans spin things like this into a positive. It's a humorous and refreshing change from the other 90% of these threads which are all negative and focused on separating the BS from these statements. I need variety in my forum reading life.

Wait, why is it bad news? How can more performance be bad news?

Because it's technically not more performance. It's unlocking the max performance that was already there, that's a key difference. The Xbox didn't grow 10% more GPU power.

 

[FeiRR]

Smart TVs will continue to get better and both of these consoles are overlapping into that market so they will always have to be far ahead. In five years, I have no doubt that TVs will have multicore SoCs and be able to do some sort of multi-tasking.

You mean like: displaying TV signal along some apps? My TV already does it and it's not even a very sophisticated or expensive model.

As for Microsoft...

 

[shandy706]

These guys need to stop talking specs. It simply highlights a disadvantage.

What disadvantage would that be for me my friend?

I'm buying the consoles for exclusives. Do you think I'm skipping the PS4 forever because I have a gaming PC that destroys it? Do you think I'm skipping the X1 forever because my PS4 will have an edge hardware wise?

The answer to the last two questions is no.

I like reading this stuff, and people that complain/take a side over this are really annoying.

Keep posting everything you want, Microsoft or Sony (or other site/company doing stories), I want to see and hear any new things about your systems.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

You have to remove 10% from the 1.31 TFlops.
--> 1.18TFlops at launch (assuming they really free that 10% up later)

I have no doubt they will free up some just like Sony will optimize things for PS4 as they go.

obviously it is 0%. Sony the world's most advanced operation system company confirmed!!!!

You're better off contributing something more solid than half witted sarcasms.

 

[Dragon]

Wait, why is it bad news? How can more performance be bad news?

Because right now it's 10 percent less. This is basically a hypothetical.

 

[DC R1D3R]

The more I read this thread the more I am starting to think it will be littered with corpses.

Well, they'll always have a good defence. It's all they've got left.

 

[Perkel]

So, many people were theorizing a 20-30% "real world" power advantage for the PS4 on paper, but once you add in the 10% XB1 CPU boost + this 10% GPU boost on top of the esram to make up for the rest of the difference, we're probably looking at ps3/360 type parity for these machines when it's all said and done.

Oh my. Reading comprehension fail

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

PS4 ram is somewhere between 4.5-5.5GB based on rumors

Incorrect. Even DF themselves changed their headline from 4.5 to 5GB. People need to let this 4.5GB bullshit go. Going by rumors and DF, the dev's ram reserve is anywhere from 5-6GB. Let's try not to spread FUD.

 

[Row]

Wait, why is it bad news? How can more performance be bad news?

It revealed how much of the gpu is locked away for the forseeable future