That quote doesn't contradict anything I said. You can do more with the eSRAM but it's not as easy to use. The eDRAM was managed by the API because it could only be used for a few things. The eSRAM has a much bigger learning curve but more flexibility.
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EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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That quote doesn't contradict anything I said. You can do more with the eSRAM but it's not as easy to use. The eDRAM was managed by the API because it could only be used for a few things. The eSRAM has a much bigger learning curve but more flexibility.
Sword Of Doom
Member
If the PS3 with the 1year launch disadvantage, extremely high price at launch, an arguably shitty controller, shitty psn, and every other fault we associate with the system outsold the 360 this gen then there's no way in hell this new and improved PS4 designed with Sony on top of their game will get outsold globally. In the US maybe they will but globally there's no chance.
ProfessorMoran
Member
What if the PS4 has a higher installed base?
Compared to the PS4 it's harder to develop for, that's the key, the PS4 seems to have stronger hardware AND be easier to get performance out of the hardware.
crazy buttocks on a train
quite possibly the greatest username
i ams cshokked athis urpsriise.truly >am
btw i hope fyou arent fans of 1080p on xone, wehn hw is out in wild you wil se wat I meant about isues. puclocks too. Risk evwyerhwere. this palce is ntus. 2014 was beter pln.
boredandlazy
Member
Oh shit... 
BigJoeGrizzly
Neo Member
I'll take my chances because I am a fan of videogames, and the Microsoft gaming platform.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Yayks!!!
WetPotatoBread
Banned
How much do they pay?
Holy shit, That's why this thread is still alive.
travisbickle
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Phil Harrison must be having Vietnam-style flashbacks if this is true.
Dead Prince
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freefornow
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Well, this should be good for another 50+ pages.
Turn 10 are gonna be pissed
BigJoeGrizzly
Neo Member
But I've never heard ONE developer ever complain about developing for the 360. If it were that difficult to develop for, wouldn't there be a decent number of articles revealing such news? Its not like the gaming community is that afraid to reveal something like that, since they have been slamming Sony this whole generation regarding the development difficulties dealing with the CELL processor and split memory architecture.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
This place? oh my, never personally seen you allude to actually being inside the belly of the beast rather than just connected.
All hail CBOAT!
May his buttocks run down the tracks until the end of time.
BigJoeGrizzly
Neo Member
I hope you're not suggesting that because I like the console that is considered the least popular at the moment, that I must be in their pocket? What's wrong with admitting that I LIKE something, even if its not the most popular sentiment at the moment?
Read the three quotes you just posted, they all explain this.
The edram was only used as a benefit over the PS3 it didn't have to close a performance gap only expand it, so using it simply for basic tasks was enough to gain an advantage, however this time so much more must be done to get the systems to equality.
I'm Actually doubting Forza being 1080/60 right now because of that CBOAT post. I'm actually thinking Dynamic resolution. wow.
Mistwalker
Member
Wonder what he means by up-clocks? Or is it a reiteration that upping the clocks in the 11th hour showed how ill-prepared MS was to make a 2013 launch with their chosen hardware?
When he talks about "see what I meant about issues", I hope he's not referring to the yield issues and what not. If Microsoft have something similar to RRoD with the Xbox One that would be tragic, although I get the feeling it would be less heat related and more hardware or component reliability, who really knows. We shall see.
Or he's referring to general hardware deficiencies comparative to the competition (PS4). No idea.
Cboat, can you clarify?
Or he's referring to general hardware deficiencies comparative to the competition (PS4). No idea.
Cboat, can you clarify?
Zatoichi's Cane
Member
I have it on good authority that CBOAT underwent training with the SAS.
couldnt wait till 2014
Not surprising to get a hint that more launch Xbone games will be under 1080p. The question is whether most are much lower (720) or somewhere in between, like Ryse at 900p.
I do hope for those getting an Xbone that devs will be able to hit 1080p regularly in the second wave of titles and beyond.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
HOLY SHIT, HE RETURNS!
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
I think most people, even MS fans have gotten past the whole 1080p thing, and have come to accept that most games, even third party will probably run 720-900p upscaled. But this? Does this mean we're in store for malfunctioning hardware again? (Highly doubt it will be as bad as RROD, but still)
Pound_lb003
Member
That's making some assumptions.
2014 could be referring to him being safer to return in 2014. 'Uprise', is as likely to be 'surprise'.
ProfessorMoran
Member
What surprise are you referring to?
SwiftDeath
Member
True. On second thought, I think he did mean surprise and not uprise lol.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
If the Xbox One has widespread hardware failures, then consider Microsoft done for the generation. The system is already bigger than the other two machines and has what looks like the most adequate ventilation.
boredandlazy
Member
I'd consider them done from gaming consoles full stop. But I would severely hope that if there are any problems they will not be anywhere near as catastrophic as RROD.
BigJoeGrizzly
Neo Member
I've read the quotes, did you read the Digital Foundry interview portion I quoted? The software engineer specifically designates their current memory setup as an EVOLUTION to what was on the 360. Things that evolve usually don't get worse. Where are these articles or statements from devs of the gaming media suggesting that there was much difficulty dealing with 360 development from the memory perspective? Sure, early on I'm sure there were some hurdles to climb, and some new methods to learn, but after 8+ years of developing using this method, how is it all of a sudden an issue again?
fastford58
Member
Oh shit...teh prodigal CBOAT returns prior to 2014. End times, I tells ya'.
Doubt it. Analysis of the internal design of the XBO shows some serious cooling, stabiity designs, and is ultra quiet (even more quieter than the 360S), as well as supposedly the team took into effect the RROD problems.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
I can't really trust Microsoft right now. Original Xbox had overheating issues and the power cord recall. 360 had RROD, E74, and disc scratching. My brother's Slim from 2010 is sometimes louder than my 60GB PS3 from 2006. The disc drive will occasionally make ungodly noises and then go back to normal.
Customers are going to see $500 and think that the extra $100 will ensure a good quality machine. Oh, how wrong they might end up being.
spatenfloot
Member
I doubt that companies have a lead console anymore. They always talk about their scalable engines which are developed on PC. Those engines would simply use whatever assets the console has available. This would imply that the games would better from the start on the PS4 since it has more power available. Xbone version would run too, but at lower settings.
Yes I've read the entire article and pointed out many fallacies multiple times.
Like people have said, it has "evolved" as you'd like to put it, to do more than it did in the x360 and it has to do this due to the disadvantageous position the xb1 is in hardware wise compared to the PS4 doing more with it is proving to be very difficult. Please remember that the statement you are quoting is from a PR interview, please consider the implications of that.
Sword Of Doom
Member
That would be devastating
CBOAT has returned to give the public forewarning.
I also wonder if MS would have been better positioned to wait until 2014.
I hope MS has some surprise for next year's E3. Xbox One hasn't even launched, yet they are losing the consumer perception battle from all directions.
I also wonder if MS would have been better positioned to wait until 2014.
I hope MS has some surprise for next year's E3. Xbox One hasn't even launched, yet they are losing the consumer perception battle from all directions.
Pound_lb003
Member
You seem to think it's a comparable setup for software developers, just because it's a comparable setup hardware wise.
That is not how it works.
Yes it's a comparable, but it's not the same, those 8+ years experience cannot be applied to working with the Xbox One, because it's not the same hardware at all. And by the sounds of it the API is a little undercooked at the moment.
Wishmaster92
Member
As i feared. This makes me feel a little uneasy, thanks anyways friend.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Truthfacts? In my console wars thread?
Oh man, dis is gunna be good.
Oh man, dis is gunna be good.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
If Microsoft called it quits, then I think Sony would continue to win by default. Nintendo is not as aggressive they were prior to the Wii, so future PlayStation consoles would be the home for most third-party titles. Microsoft is kind of looking like SEGA right now, with the Xbox One being the Saturn. Last minute changes to catch up to Sony and trying to brush off the $100 advantage. The Saturn also had lousy versions of third-party games.
Here's a hint. In a specs thread, no one cares what games you like. It's irrelevant.
Normally i'd just assume it was 1080p as stated but I can't think why CBOAT would say don't expect 1080p if he wasn't talking about Forza, It's the only 1080p game at launch. It's left me a bit confused to be honest as I usually have an Idea what he means, but it seems easy to translate the actual words this time but the meaning behind them seems much foggier.
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