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famousmortimer: Xbox One OS and Xbox Live issues bouncing about as we approach launch

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The Maverick

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Gaf reminds me of a balloon right now. But instead of water, it is being filled with bidet tears, on the brink of explosion. All it takes is one leak and boom.

Everyone, flash your butts to the sky.
 
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Verendus

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If there are indeed no problems, I think everyone laughing about this rumour should buy us folk who believe there will be no severe problems an Xbox One, some roses, and write an apology letter,

Now if there are problems, well fuck you then.

Seems fair to me.
 
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Kaako

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BigEvilTurtle said:
Lol at everyone trying their damned hardest to draw positivity from this.
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Mondy said:
Heh, better get that optimism checked out by a professional, I think it's defective.
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Brashnir said:
I was assuming he was trying to make a completely absurd statement. I can't cope otherwise.
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Steroyd said:
That'd only work if that publicity doesn't tell people to stay the fuck away.
Exacerbated if Sony run into minimal problems.
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WoodenLung said:
That is so wrong no matter how many times people repeat it. For some musician that just wants attention? Sure the bad attention of them smoking crack might be better than nothing, for a product (and a very well known brand), having bad things said about it? That's never good.
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I clearly see some young ones don't know much about marketing. I'm somewhat an expert; the more people start talking about your product, the more money you receive because more people now know about your product and will buy it. Any publicity is publicity.
 
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deputyspade

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Bgamer90 said:
Exactly --"if true". Panicing at this point would be a waste of time if everything gets sorted out at launch.

The main reason I'm getting an Xbox One is due to it having games I'm interested in. Those should work at launch right? Or is there a new rumor that I missed? (haha)
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You're one of those "so you're saying there's a chance?" guys it appears.
 
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Crimson_Gold

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Verendus said:
If there are indeed no problems, I think everyone laughing about this rumour should buy us folk who believe there will be no severe problems an Xbox One, some roses, and write an apology letter,

Now if there are problems, well fuck you then.

Seems fair to me.
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My guess is that this problem will be worked out sooner than later. They really have no choice but to spend every possible second attempting to resolve this. MS has the manpower to get it done, so it'll likely happen. If this isn't fixed, or at least substantially resolved, oh boy!

Oh boy=! good things
 
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Perkel

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Verendus said:
If there are indeed no problems, I think everyone laughing about this rumour should buy us folk who believe there will be no severe problems an Xbox One, some roses, and write an apology letter,

Now if there are problems, well fuck you then.

Seems fair to me.
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heh what we need is simply one pair of crazy buttocks on a train.
 
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Can Crusher

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Perkel said:
Who would they fire now ? There is no one currently that is responsible for Xbone..
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Somebody would take the fall anyway. And I very much doubt Mattrick is responsible for anything other than wanting Kinect in every console, something MS hasn't backtracked on. Hell it's Mattrick that decided to pour cash on the building of new dev teams, like for example 343i.
 
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tkalamba

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Kaako said:
I clearly see some young ones don't know much about marketing. I'm somewhat an expert; the more people start talking about your product, the more money you receive because more people now know about your product and will buy it. Any publicity is publicity.
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It's actually true, short of MS clubbing seals, they will still get publicity. There will be ways they can turn the negative publicity around, especially if they get everything up and running by launch.
 
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AyaisMUsikWhore

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Verendus said:
If there are indeed no problems, I think everyone laughing about this rumour should buy us folk who believe there will be no severe problems an Xbox One, some roses, and write an apology letter,

Now if there are problems, well fuck you then.

Seems fair to me.
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I agree with this. I would love a free Xbox One.
 
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Marc

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Verendus said:
No, I'm pretty sure a Holiday launch is fine for the PS4. Nothing out of the ordinary with its path.


Xbox One talks to people. It will sell itself to consumers this November. It doesn't need any retailers or sales clerks.
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Having driveclub delayed, possibly watch dogs (depending on real reasons) and basic stuff like wallpapers was surely not expected though? And that day 1 update is a fair old beast for something going well.

Not on the same scale as this potential clusterfuck but does seem rushed to me.

Hope it goes ok for both companies to be honest, I don't want casuals burned as they may turn off and never come back. I am a dedicated gamer yet steam turned me away from pc gaming and haven't been back. Good to hear the big stuff is working though, thank you for the info.
 
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Jonm1010

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FranXico said:
Even "struggling" Nintendo would be able to compete with Sony.
As for the "outspending" game, Sony would not exist in a vacuum either. With MS out of the way, maybe Apple/Samsung/Google might give it a shot, who knows?

Now, imagine the opposite: a world where Sony consoles no longer exist. How likely is it that others would compete with MS?
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The wiiU isn't bouncing back at this point. And it's really hard to imagine a scenario where Nintendo gets its act together enough that it's next console actually fixes it's myriad of issues from third party relationships to online infastructure to hardware specs to marketing enough to re-enter the picture in a big way. At least not in the way it would force Sonys hand to push the boundaries like companies did in the ps2 era with Nintendo, Microsoft and sega all pressuring Sony to make sure they are competitive in every aspect of a console.

Amazon seems like the only likely competitor at this point given rumors. Apple seems content pursuing smart tvs and appletv tapping into the App Store which I don't think will be that big a threat. At least not in the sense of pushing Sony to push the technical boundaries next gen. Consoles are not perceived as the big money makers for investors looking to get a good ROI so I'd find it hard to believe too many, if any companies are looking to jump into the fray if Microsoft crumbles. Again amazon is the only one that had any whispers of likelihood right now.

A Sony/deflated Nintendo console world is not the best competitive marketplace IMO. Innovation would definitely suffer heavily. I think that's undeniable.
 
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EGM1966

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Wow this one grew fast. While I'm treating it as a rumour I wouldn't be that surprised if their was OS/infrastructure issues for XB1 at launch - not because MS are bad at this kind of stuff (in fact as the 360 showed they are very good at this kind of stuff) but because of the impact of the 180s.

I mean they must have had an OS/infrastructure built around the vision they announced and going by 360 it must have been tightly knit together from an infrastructure/OS perspective - I can only assume having to unpick a lot of that, change it and then get it all stable in time for launch has been a challenge and it's not too much of a stretch to see it being a little flaky even at launch.

Hopefully for those buying an XB1 they manage to crunch most of the stuff into shape for launch or the rumour proves to be a little shy of the mark.
 
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I-hate-u

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-Cade said:
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Thanks Ver!
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Funny the guy in the gif works for Sony now.
 
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Sulik2

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Its been 8 years and by all appearances Microsoft was in no way ready for the next-gen. Microsoft needs to hire back some of the people who knew what they were doing with the Xbox and 360.
 
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E92 M3

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Crimson_Gold said:
The direction MS has taken as a whole pretty much damns this dream for eternity. The Windows ecosystem has no room for J Allard's dream.
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Allard would have fought to subdue it as much as possible, and if it couldn't be eliminated it would at least been integrated elegantly. Most importantly, the console wouldn't have been an underpowered mess. Gaming would have still been a focus with media taking a back seat - not the other way around.
 
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Wolves Evolve

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Kaako said:
I clearly see some young ones don't know much about marketing. I'm somewhat an expert; the more people start talking about your product, the more money you receive because more people now know about your product and will buy it. Any publicity is publicity.
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Is it super common now on NeoGAF to have marketing students trod through threads declaring their expertise? Don't they teach you to manage your reputation - for example - never call yourself an expert?
 
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FrunkQ

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Bgamer90 said:
So only one console is being rushed? Heh, okay.How can I create equivalence when the equivalence is already (blatantly) there?

Anyway, I expected OS issues at launch on both systems before they were even revealed/announced. That's simply tech these days.

All I did was try to understand why this is more "controversial" than the typical issues at launch. That's all.
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There was a false equivalence in your original statement. Day one patch is not the same as OS problems.

In this day and age we always expect a Day 1 patch - it means manufacturing can go ahead and you still have a further 6 months of more to sort out the software services side. Effectively the V1.0 OS on a console needs to be able to run a game, go online for patches and patch itself... nothing more. It will update itself from an on disc patch or the internet.

6 months of development time in this game is HUGE!

If these rumours are correct.. a BIG IF... then we are getting the impression that Sony's problems are around getting their online services commissioned and tested in time, but the OS in it's current day 1 patch state (v1.5) is pretty solid - the only major feature missing is instant resuming from standby. We know this from their patch notes.

MS have no patch notes form their V1.x All rumours seem to suggest they are in a state of disarray just trying to implement features that have been core to XBL for quite some time. That IS concerning.

Every recent "connected console" Wii U, Vita, etc has benefited from a day one patch. It did not mean they were in big trouble - it just gave more dev time to hone the user experience.
 
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Bad_Boy

time to take my meds
Kaako said:
I clearly see some young ones don't know much about marketing. I'm somewhat an expert; the more people start talking about your product, the more money you receive because more people now know about your product and will buy it. Any publicity is publicity.
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CoG

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E92 M3 said:
Yes, it's very unfortunate that the Xbone was designed by 15 different departments that each wanted a piece of the profits. In my dreams, J Allard returns, fires everyone responsible for this ass storm, and writes an apology letter to the fans.
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Everyone always praises J Allard as the champion for gaming at MS but let's not forget, he sat right there and let MS execs put out faulty hardware for the sake of beating Sony to market. Same sins different decade.
 
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Joni

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Marc said:
And that day 1 update is a fair old beast for something going well.
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I don't think we'll ever see a console again without day 1 update. The PlayStation 3 even got one. US and Japan had 1.10 and Europe had 1.60 for firmware updates on launch day. The Xbox 360 also had one IIRC.
 
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ICPEE

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supersanni said:
Gaf reminds me of a balloon right now. But instead of water, it is being filled with bidet tears, on the brink of explosion. All it takes is one leak and boom.

Everyone, flash your butts to the sky.
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I flashed an image thru my mind on that last line *shivers*
 
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Verendus

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Marc said:
Having driveclub delayed, possibly watch dogs (depending on real reasons) and basic stuff like wallpapers was surely not expected though? And that day 1 update is a fair old beast for something going well.

Not on the same scale as this potential clusterfuck but does seem rushed to me.

Hope it goes ok for both companies to be honest, I don't want casuals burned as they may turn off and never come back. I am a dedicated gamer yet steam turned me away from pc gaming and haven't been back. Good to hear the big stuff is working though, thank you for the info.
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Games have nothing to do with the console being ready. That's a developer problem. Killzone and Knack are fine. Killzone is even being printed now.
 
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Perkel

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Can Crusher said:
Somebody would take the fall anyway. And I very much doubt Mattrick is responsible for anything other than wanting Kinect in every console, something MS hasn't backtracked on. Hell it's Mattrick that decided to pour cash on the building of new dev teams, like for example 343i.
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but Matrick was head. HE is the one that approved everything Xbone was supposed to be (in original pre180 form). No one in big companies make critical decisions like that without head approval.
 
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Crimson_Gold

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E92 M3 said:
Allard would have fought to subdue it as much as possible, and if it couldn't be eliminated it would at least been integrated elegantly. Most importantly, the console wouldn't have been an underpowered mess. Gaming would have still been a focus with media taking a back seat - not the other way around.
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Well this was always MS' endgame. So to see the media focus come to bear isn't too surprising. There is a reason Allard left. Stopping a corporation that is intent on overtaking Google and Apple is no easy feat. We all love Allard's passion and believe there may have been some improvement, but this mess started with Balmer. The Xbox One is the company's answer to every competitor. Sadly, it competes poorly with all of them.
 
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Nightengale

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deputyspade said:
You're one of those "so you're saying there's a chance?" guys it appears.
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Let's be fair, the chances of MS fixing this before launch is far from unlikely.

Mort's sources has a different opinion, but thar source's not the ones working 20 hours a day 7 days a week fixing broken pipes over at Redmond.

Personally, I no longer have a very high opinion of MS's engineering team after they delivered the piece of shit called WP7 OS, which they killed and remade WP8... which is still a poor experience device imo.

But they're still pretty much top-class in the software industry, so it shouldn't be ruled out.
 
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LiveFromKyoto

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Kaako said:
I clearly see some young ones don't know much about marketing. I'm somewhat an expert; the more people start talking about your product, the more money you receive because more people now know about your product and will buy it. Any publicity is publicity.
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That's why asbestos sales are through the roof.
 
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AustinFelix

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I'm starting to think that on the Sony side of things ( holding review units back till 2 days before ) has a lot to do with the system not being ready for review until the last moment.

This day one software patch will still be in development, it's obvious they installed a bare bones OS install on manufacturing knowing full well they could work on all the features right up until launch, in which case now they will be ironing out bugs with 1.50.

I'd imagine they don't really want to have a controlled review environment, but they kind of have to because of work still going on right up till launch.. I don't think they have anything to worry about, we'll just see the usual glitches day 1.

This stuff about Microsoft sounds scary. But I fail to see any concrete evidence of this? Devs have been using dev kits of months, surely they have been testing OS level features such as network connectivity and voice comms, sounds a bit fishy to me.
 
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bill0527

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Kaako said:
I clearly see some young ones don't know much about marketing. I'm somewhat an expert; the more people start talking about your product, the more money you receive because more people now know about your product and will buy it. Any publicity is publicity.
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Sorry, Xbox One isn't Miley Cyrus. It isn't an idea or a celebrity where any publicity is good publicity. Its a tangible piece of consumer electronics equipment that is expected to have certain levels of functionality and performance.

It'll still sell out. People will still buy it, but the disappointment and frustration factor at launch will be high. And this will translate to negative word of mouth and thats not what you want right out of the gate when you have a competing box that is cheaper and better performing. Its kind of the exact opposite effect of what happened with the 360. 360 was built on word of mouth. Over the years, the number 1 answer on this forum, and many others, as to why you bought an Xbox 360, was ...."because I want to play with all of my friends and thats what they are playing".

Microsoft will get the shit sorted out, but it will take a while. Hopefully for them, they can mitigate or hide the damage that will be caused by several months of gamer frustration.
 
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Kaako

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tkalamba said:
It's actually true, short of MS clubbing seals, they will still get publicity. There will be ways they can turn the negative publicity around, especially if they get everything up and running by launch.
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See. Any publicity is publicity.
Wolves Evolve said:
Is it super common now on NeoGAF to have marketing students trod through threads declaring their expertise? Don't they teach you to manage your reputation - for example - never call yourself an expert?
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Not if I have the confidence of a fucking Bengal tiger. Also, I'm not a marketing student cause going to school for that garbage degree is for suckers. I carve my own path in this physical realm and declare my expertise like a fucking Bengal tiger.
 
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LiquidSolid

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quickdevilred said:
I've never seen a cboat 'megaton' I couldn't have guessed at
like 'xbox games will be lower resolution' (after ryse has been revealed as 900p mind you)
err obvious much? if 900p allows for ryse quality graphics why would they not use it most often? If they have a weaker system they have to make good looking games somehow.
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I have to love these posts. Juniors that have no fucking clue what they're talking about trying to discredit CBOAT.

Please, tell us how you would have guessed that Dead Space 3 would have co-op, Dead Rising 3 was an Xbone exclusive or that Titanfall was a timed exclusive.
 
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