And sometimes you have to realize that the "things" you get with competition aren't always good, such as the mess MS is in right now.
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famousmortimer: Xbox One OS and Xbox Live issues bouncing about as we approach launch
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I actually much preferred console gaming pre-online multiplayer. It was much more focused on deep single player experiences and there was much more room in the market for great mid-tier games.
Yes, I'd say I loved old school local console gaming with its emphasis on every genre other than First Person Shooters (and shooters in general). See the King: PS2. Also: NES, Super NES/Genesis, NeoGeo, Playstation 1. Nintendo 64, and Dreamcast.
Now that they do exist, I agree. Live has pushed the envelope in that space since its inception.
While I can respect your opinion, i think this seems fairly short sighted. I think its good for gamers to have a company with the resources of Microsoft in the industry to push things forward even if you don't always agree with the direction.
Also, competition is ALWAYS a good thing for every industry. Take the DRM stuff that Microsoft that seems to have lost them the hearts of a lot of core games, it's widely suspected that Sony was considering a similar scheme, but as a result of competition they saw an opportunity there to take a different approach as a point of distinction from their competitor. If it was just Sony do you think that maybe, possibly they may have gone in a different direction? Sony's historical record on DRM is not exactly spotless when you consider stuff like the rootkit fiasco. Would the #NoDRM campaign have been as successfu if gamers had no other option other than PC or Nintendo handhelds?
Would Sony be pouring as much money into exclusive titles from Naughty Dog and their other studios if there wasn't a Microsoft breathing down their neck? Would they have made anywhere near the amount of studio investments as they did last gen? Sony is not exactly rolling in revenue right now. Exclusives exist solely to create incentive to purchase a particular system. Why would Sony need as many of them if there wasn't a strong competitor, they could just rely on the major publisher to role out content and keep reeling in that licensing revenue.
a company should be recognised for its successes, especially when it raises the bar for everyone. But that doesn't give them a free pass.
there is nothing wrong with a temporary monopoly (as unlikely as that is). We've had it before and new competition has emerged.
Oh god no. Far from it. Pc is the most competitive market there is when it comes to gaming.
GoG
GMG
Amazon
Origin
NotOnsteam
Desura
Playism
Rice
literally a ton more different sites selling Dl codes or you can download from them directly and some, as GMG, even sell codes at sometimes a reduced price than Steam even if you have to use Steam for the code you bought.. So No Steam Does Not Have Monopoly.
They have the biggest chunk of the userbase thou. Understandable since they been in the game for so long and have been giving a good service and good price so far. A very easy DRM solution(SteamWorks, remember this, DRM free is still on Steam just that many chose to deploy Steams DRM solution called SteamWorks) that haven't really messed with the userbase.
So I say it again, NO Steam Does Not Have Monopoly.
SwiftDeath
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I have just updated my THREAD SUMMARY with some of verendus's newer comments (found at bottom in PS4 section)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87786946#post87786946
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Please let me know if there is more news to be added
I had to grab some sleep
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87786946#post87786946
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Please let me know if there is more news to be added
I had to grab some sleep
GalacticaN7
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THINGS ARE WORSE THAN EVER!!
The Omega Man
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wow I just saw that episode yesterday, incredible fitting
Suspected by morons, yes.
clay_ghost
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Just want to say that i love GMG and Amazon, but i redeem steam keys from them .
mentallyinept
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Xbone OS is last night.
New hotness is BF4. Apparently PS4 MP looks better than X1 SP.
GribbleGrunger
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Could you grab that section for clarification because people skip through looking for pictures of Tweets.
Always-honest
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I have just updated my THREAD SUMMARY with some of verendus's newer comments (found at bottom in PS4 section)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87786946#post87786946
Please let me know if there is more news to be added
I had to grab some sleep
Could you PLEASE remove that Gif. Please. It's giving me brain ceizures... not yet, but i'm expecting them anytime soon now...
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Thanx for all the work you've done though.
Do you even realize that the box is not even out yet? I understand being upset with the changes they tried to make with DRM and always online. Preorder numbers suggest they are in bad position in relation to competition, but the level of criticism from pre launch twitter questions and rumor seem extraordinary. The system is coming out in 3 weeks. They will need to address questions of real importance post launch when people are actually using the system. If you aren't buying the thing and don't think them leaving the industry would be a negative thing, why the fuck would anyone be breaking their backs to appease your wishes?
If MS released a half-baked console at launch that is as bad as the rumors are making it sound, they absolutely deserve to be destroyed sales wise. There is no moral high ground dictating that consumers have to put up with bullshit from a company that wants their money. If they fuck up, they deserve to suffer. One would hope it would cause them to work hard to turn things around like Sony did with the PS3.
Cheers. I made a dumb mistake. I'll most certainly make more dumb mistakes in the future. Live and learn.
I like a good shitstorm as much as the next guy. Hell, I love one.
So even tho i'm pretty anti Microsoft at this point in my life, and would love to see them fail out of the gate, i just don't see it happening. Enough sources have confirmed there are some serious issues right now, but they still have a full month to deliver a day one patch that makes things stable. *Everything* might not be flawless on day 1 (or even week 1) but I'm sure it will work reasonably well. They are a giant mega corporation with a 10 year business plan for this thing. It will work. If there are problems in house right this second, you can bet *everyone* is dedicated to having it all ironed out by launch. Joke all you want about Microsoft coding, but virtually every PC on the planet runs on their stuff. They have good coders. They will fix whatever OS issues that are being reported.
I'd be more concerned about the system's lack of horsepower. That something they can't really patch.
So even tho i'm pretty anti Microsoft at this point in my life, and would love to see them fail out of the gate, i just don't see it happening. Enough sources have confirmed there are some serious issues right now, but they still have a full month to deliver a day one patch that makes things stable. *Everything* might not be flawless on day 1 (or even week 1) but I'm sure it will work reasonably well. They are a giant mega corporation with a 10 year business plan for this thing. It will work. If there are problems in house right this second, you can bet *everyone* is dedicated to having it all ironed out by launch. Joke all you want about Microsoft coding, but virtually every PC on the planet runs on their stuff. They have good coders. They will fix whatever OS issues that are being reported.
I'd be more concerned about the system's lack of horsepower. That something they can't really patch.
starwarsfan541
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Or Nintendo actually competing. (If Iwata gets replaced you never know what happens they have huge cash piles)
I have just updated my THREAD SUMMARY with some of verendus's newer comments (found at bottom in PS4 section)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87786946#post87786946
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Please let me know if there is more news to be added
I had to grab some sleep
Wonderful news. Nice for a change.
Thing is I agree with him to a point, I also want Microsoft to have a minor failure with the Xbox one, not fail completely but a couple of years of being quite far behind just to give them a bloody nose. Mainly so the that market as a whole sees that trying to screw over customers in the way they were trying to do is punished by the market and gamers, and that they shouldn't try to bring this stuff back in slowly either.
My fear is that if they do well in a years time you will see loads of people going "see it didn't matter , people can't change anything and actually the ideas they had were good and so we will let them do it this time", if they still do gangbusters well out of the gate they will say that the negative campaign was a flash in a pan and move forward with the terrible ideas, and the publishers will follow (as they kinda wanted them)
Then again I'm a guy who both thinks that ms will try it again and that Sony were planning to do the drm as well before the backlash
I think its known as being a "Cynical Asshole" as its technical term.Neuromancer
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I don't want MS to leave the industry but I do want them to take a beating for the the Xbox One's truly awful original vision. They should have known better after seeing our reactions to the many rumors we had about the 'always online' and the used games restrictions. The whole thing is just baffling, and the horrendous PR afterwards made it worse.
It's a big deal for those it was a big deal for then. If these games have good AA solutions, the difference here will be less obvious.
Suzushiiro
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You act like MS all but stopped making non-Kinect games for the 360 by accident- they very clearly chose to let the 360 coast by on third party-games and Halo for the last three years while they focused on Kinect and Xbone, whereas Sony continued to invest in PS3 all the way up to the PS4 launch.
Uiki
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Well...it's either this or nothing because no one can talk about the games for at least a week
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SpartanN92
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Then again I'm a guy who both thinks that ms will try it again and that Sony were planning to do the drm as well before the backlash
I'm right there with you....I think all companies want it. Nintendo wants it. Sony wants it. MS DESPERATELY wanted it. Sony was smarter...They read the climate and said "Not yet. Maybe next time." MS said "Let's give it a shot....OH SHIT! 180!!!"
Maybe next gen they will try again.
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But at this point they have significantly less than a "full month". It's already long past the 22nd of October, and whatever patch gets delivered on day one will have to be passed through some certification process, even if it's fast tracked.
This. The only thing missing from Sony's lineup right now is Driveclub. Other than that I think the line up is as you would expect from any company.
Driveclub/Forza = Mass appeal car racing graphics showcase
Killzone/Ryse = Graphics showcase for hardcore fanbase
Knack = family friendly pick up and play platformer
Killer Instinct = nostalgic pickup and play fighter game
I think at the end of the day both consoles have lineups that is well in line with their heritage and none is doing anything different from what they have always done in terms of software. If you've always liked M$ games Titanfall/Ryse is right up your ally...if you've always been into SCEWW then you would love and appreciate the diversity of the games announced Knack, Killzone, Second Son, The Order. Remember M$/Sony can't exactly blow their loads at launch and then have nothing for the next 12 months. They have to stagger releases.
gamechanger87
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In all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised to see both consoles coming out of the gate really hot. They are both promising us the world, but not everything will be there day 1. One look at the "home" pages for 360 and PS3 at launch gets us there.
MS is trying to get a lot of things working well at once that will be incredibly hard to do. Its causing them headaches now, but they are expecting to fix everything as it goes along. I think the real key for both consoles is where they stand heading into the summer. Both consoles should have most of their feature set fleshed out and built.
MS is trying to get a lot of things working well at once that will be incredibly hard to do. Its causing them headaches now, but they are expecting to fix everything as it goes along. I think the real key for both consoles is where they stand heading into the summer. Both consoles should have most of their feature set fleshed out and built.
ethomaz
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Here: https://twitter.com/zjonesyy/status/394839824378904576Could you grab that section for clarification because people skip through looking for pictures of Tweets.
My twitter showed it below the put in hidden the "You did misunderstand.Battlefield 4 looks better on Xbox One, so close to PC on ultra settings.Insider info"... I needed to open it to see the right reply.
So my own confusion... sorry GAF.
MS have announced 15 games from launch to the end of 2014
Sony have announced around 10 games out of a stated 20 in the same period.
just because we don't know the names doesn't mean they don't exist. Sony may have fewer at launch but will have more by the end of next year and that suits me just fine
Insane Metal
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Tomorrow can't come soon enough! lol
Samurai_Heart
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So...anyone got a summary post in the 9/10 hrs I've been off XD?
SwiftDeath
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Really? I thought that gif was perfect for a thread summary like this
I could remove it I suppose but then how will I get CW ad revenue?
Unless you mean it might actually cause seizures and then I will remove it?
what's tomorrow?
HORRORSHØW
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Jeremy Conrad ‏@ManaByte 7m
"We won't review a Xbox One until the end of 2014...because by then the OS will work"
I wonder who he's quoting, or if he's pulling it out of his ass.
"We won't review a Xbox One until the end of 2014...because by then the OS will work"
I wonder who he's quoting, or if he's pulling it out of his ass.
Indeed
lifeexpectancy
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I have just updated my THREAD SUMMARY with some of verendus's newer comments (found at bottom in PS4 section)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87786946#post87786946
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Please let me know if there is more news to be added
I had to grab some sleep
Reposted for the scrolling impaired.
Edit: wow this was meant for a request on the previous page but somehow I stuck the landing and got it as the top post on this page. Hopefully this will prevent a few requests for a synopsis of events thus far, but somehow I kinda doubt it.
Still, I give the dismount on this one a 10/10 for perfectly timing the post button amidst the thread's blistering pace.
Insane Metal
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I'm no insider but I was told via pm to avoid getting an XBone at launch.
Im not talking about the practical consequences of the console failing. I was responding to you taking offense to even the notion of someone wishing something to fail.
Of course the market will always decide, and of course you can discuss his reasons for wishing it to fail, but your initial post wasnt about that, was it? you were criticising the wishing itself and not his reasons. You said that someone shouldnt wish for something to fail because some people might lose their jobs and some people might miss out on a product they like.
Its perfectly possible for him to articulate an argument where it would be in everyones interest for MS to fail with this console to take the industry in a certain direction. You can then attack those arguments, but dont attach the concept of wishing something to go away.
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