Bam Bam Baklava
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I wonder why this PS4 = software upscaler is so prevalent. Everywhere I go it's treated as fact.
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Infinity Ward confirms: CoD Ghost is 720p on Xbox One, 1080p on PS4
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I wonder why this PS4 = software upscaler is so prevalent. Everywhere I go it's treated as fact.
Nightengale
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Caught me off-guard for a second too lol.
I'll make allowances for this game seeings as they had much tighter deadlines with this being a launch game and a lot if key infinity ward staff have been pinched to work in Titanfall.
We know the XB1 is harder to work on, just like the PS3 was, I hope MS and other devs get on top of the XB1s problems faster than it took devs to get on top of the PS3's.
We know the XB1 is harder to work on, just like the PS3 was, I hope MS and other devs get on top of the XB1s problems faster than it took devs to get on top of the PS3's.
dummydecoy
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Stupid question: can one set the PS4 to render 1080p games at 720p? I'd rather have that than 1080p with framerate drops.
The difference between the XB1 and the PS3 is that the PS3's biggest hurdle to devs was the completely unfamiliar Cell architecture. That was something that the devs could come to terms with and improve over time.
The XB1 hurdle is the ESRAM set up. That is a hardware limitation, and it's going to be a major bottleneck for the lifetime of the system. Even after the dev tools mature, that ESRAM bottleneck is going to be there.
I'm expecting 720p/60fps for Halo 5.Someone's in for a surprise.
DF said that BF4 on PS4 might employ software scaling. That's probably it.
Much like most folks still think the 360 had a special scaling chip which was debunked years ago.
Both the Xbone and PS4 have the same 'scaler'. It is a built in function of their AMD GPUs.
SwiftDeath
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Far too long a thread to properly catch up but I saw this comment on I think the kotaku article for this and couldn't help but post it
Ah the internet
Ah the internet
I'm with CBOAT on this one, he says things will improve, also other devs have had much better joy with XB1 as well, I guess time will tell!
notoriousKTR
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Does it? DF article says software and I haven't heard anything about it. I would expect Sony wouldn't bother with a hardware upscaler because 1) PS3 didn't have one 2) PS4 hardware capable of 1080p anyways.
Metalingus5150
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bigboss370
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that looks like just some random internet person's thoughts after they supposedly played the retail version.
whats the difference?
Infinity Ward staff is working on Titanfall?
Yeah, Activision kicking the IW leads out of the building years ago after failing to pay their promised bonuses, litigations involved, 50 IW employees straight up resigned after the fiasco.
Respawn is basically the core of IW. That added an additional wrinkle to that whole "EA signed our IP to exclusivity without our knowledge" realization considering what these guys had just been through.
ProcrasDANation
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I would rather they keep focusing on making textures pop
MemoryHumanity
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yes it does...Shu confirmed on twitter that it does...as for Battlefield...it was mentioned in that thread that Frostbite has a built in software scaler...that could be what DICE decided to use....orrrr it could be a ridiculously heavy implementation of FXAA that is blurring the whole screen....or a combo of both...
the PS4 and Xbone likely have the exact same scaler as part of their GPU's from the same company
every GCN video card has one, it'd be more effort to remove it then it'd be worth.
Well yeah, things will improve as the dev tools mature.
Unless I'm mistaken, CBOAT also said the ESRAM would be a bottleneck for the life of the console and 720p - 900p was going to be the norm.
AFAIK, hardware upscaling enables the best algorithms to run in realtime. Software upscaling can give the same quality, at a performance cost. So in order to minimize that cost, one would have to opt for a cheaper software upscaling algorithm.
The folks at DF are wrong, yet again.
Good point. Also Shu explicitly confirmed it today.
Carl @carlbown1
@yosp Hey Shu, can you confirm if the PS4 has a built in hardware scaler? BF4 seems to be using a software solution from 900-1080p
Shuhei Yoshida @yosp
@carlbown1 yes, it has
2:49 PM - 30 Oct 2013
ConteZero76
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It's going to be a gory console launch.
Hope Microsoft dismiss the cocky "I'm the king of the hill" attitude and start working on first party games.
Also, drop kinect and lower the price tag.
Hope Microsoft dismiss the cocky "I'm the king of the hill" attitude and start working on first party games.
Also, drop kinect and lower the price tag.
Night Angel
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Hey, now, geometry and simple multiplication is tough. It's much easier to think that 1080/2=540. Because we watch lines. Really, really long and thin lines.
notoriousKTR
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Infinity Ward staff is working on Titanfall?
http://www.cynicalsmirk.com/who_remains_at_infinity_ward.html
missed that comment!...gotta be someone who is drinking misterX's koolaid
bigboss370
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wonder what he'd say if someone asked why Turn 10 doesn't lower forza from 1080 to 720 if it results in better visuals.
seen this sentiment a couple times but I have to disagree. I wasn't visually impressed with Halo last gen. I'm actually expecting Black Tusk's game to be the impressive one, as well as if Epic does another exclusive game for MS.
The PS3 did have a hardware scaler. Its GPU.
The PS4 has a hardware scaler. Its GPU.
The 360 and Xbone have hardware scalers. Their GPUs.
Your PC had a hardware scaler. Its GPU.
See a pattern here?
I'm sure Halo 5 will look great. I'm personally not a fan of what happens to an IP once the original creators are no logger involved though. I never bought any Treyarch CoD games for the same reason. Looking forward to Destiny personally as well as Titanfall.
Let these developers who used to be sequel slaves to their own IP's they popularized strike out to create new experiences. I'm excited for it.
warheat1990
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Can I expect an apology from Mr Penello?
You can expect that it will look ' good ' on his ttv
You can expect ideal viewing distance guidelines
You'll get it at the same time that Gies pays off his $10 secret sauce bet.
NEVER.
Mr_Appleby
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oh the memories! Tuning in the Atari2600 on the uhf dial, from fuzzy static to a rolling black&white image to finally glorious 4-colour pew-pew.
that TV lasted my family about 20 years too.
Haha
He won't acknowledge the truth which makes his previous comments look incredibly foolish.
deputyspade
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Yes, he did indeed say that.
notoriousKTR
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IHaveCandy
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Would be hilarious if the game had even weaker real-time effects than Halo 4. The dynamic lights already look like they're from a Playstation 2 game, why not just strip them out altogether? Don't worry that the water doesn't have geometrically animated waves, you'll never notice if there's no water!
I would think visually impressing people would be the least of Halo 5's concerns, though.
Sort of, though those algorithms are often a lot "smarter" than cheap real-time video scalers.
Here's an extreme example to see what a common scaling algorithm does when it's told to scale a very raw image by a huge factor.
Native 480x240:
Native 1216x608:
Native 480x240 upscaled to 1216x608 using lanczos scaling:
It looks like the upscaling did nothing. Could you take the 480x240 picture and stretch it to a 1216x608 canvas size to compare? Would doing that automatically upscale it on a computer?
The video output encoder.
Bare in mind that Penello made (all of) his comments with the full facts to hand. He knew the poor performance of his console. He knew of the issues in utilising ESRAM. He knew games (internal and external) weren't managing 1080p or couldn't achieve global illumination or AA.
He just said what he did to reassure potential customers and muddy the waters in what otherwise was a clear cut performance battle between his console and his competitor.
He just said what he did to reassure potential customers and muddy the waters in what otherwise was a clear cut performance battle between his console and his competitor.
dano1
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Well as Don would say we have a system for you.
I'm not sure it's even that. The PC equivalent of the xbox GPU: HD 7770, simply cannot hit 60fps in 1080p in most modern games. It is right around 30 frames at 1080p, and will approaches 60 frames as either the settings are tones down (to medium or less) and or the resolution is notched down (to 720). Games on the consoles will obviously improve in textures and assets as the gen goes on, but the Xbox One simply does not have the juice to push 1920x1080 pixels in these hq games. That is not going to change over time. Any PC gamer knows the power requirement in going from 720p to 1080p is massive It's .9 million pixels versus 2.1 million.. Xbox One basically has to choose between 720p60fps or 1080p 30fps
For the record, PS4 equivalent (7850/7870) is right around 60fps in most games at 1080p.. It falls right in line with what is going on.. Again games will improve with visuals but this resolution/frame rate combo you will get for the entire gen.
Proof that MS tells bare faced lies when discussing its consoles.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/hardware-test-xbox-360-elite-review?page=5
deputyspade
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Oh lawdy, that was bad! I stopped reading IGN comments and forums years ago because of the ignorant kids posting stuff like that on there.
The problem is people dont know what they are missing out on unless they have tried/seen it.
bigboss370
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notoriousKTR
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Okay, the more you know. Thanks.
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