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Rumor: Entire party system on XB1 being replaced, "may take up to a year
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Yes. This is the man right here.
MS needs J Allard or a J Allard equivalent for the next Xbox.
Kacho
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Huh? I always thought Green Slime was pretty impartial.
Anyway, this is good news. I honestly expect it to take less than a year but we'll see. Can't believe they took such a huge step back from the 360 with this. Seems to be the case with a lot of things regarding the Xbox One.
famousmortimer
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Ok I'm done being the Pete Dodd Defense Force.
This info isn't false. Whether you want to believe that or not is now in your hands.
Im going to bed.
This info isn't false. Whether you want to believe that or not is now in your hands.
Im going to bed.
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Deleted member 47027
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what in the goddamn...world...
statham
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Cboat is whats causing alot of the hostility towards fort, because he was wrong about alot of stuff about XB1's launch. oh PS4 in Oct.
The Blackrose
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Any sort of case you could potentially build to counter these claims is going to be damaged just from the above two quotes.
My biggest problem with the whole ordeal is that they had a solid setup on the 360. Why couldn't they port that over to the XBOne and tout that as a positive feature?
Prince Vultan
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lol
oconnomiyaki
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You've utterly missed my point. When one of your sources is CBOAT, and when you go on record being confident in what you've heard because of that, it damages the credibility of you and your other sources. At this point it makes me ask "Is Mortimer so obsessed with e-fame and being an insider that he's going to report anything he hears?"
Ultimately, it just comes across as a lack of judgment.
The image is there for all to see. You've admitted and explained the situation. I'm a bit puzzled why you can't see that people would be utterly skeptical in light of that, regardless of past successes.
Prove your importance with a juicy insider rumor.
I am guessing the reason this might take a long time is how the party system is used in game. The parties become part of a game party when someone starts up a game.. and even goes as far as to invite those in the party if someone joins a match.
That is at the OS level working with the games. I understand what they were going for it just is not ready for prime time and they need to revert to 360 parties with the better voice quality. But based on how it is at a system level and built into the games.. I bet this will be a challenge and no doubt a big reason why it might take some time.
That is at the OS level working with the games. I understand what they were going for it just is not ready for prime time and they need to revert to 360 parties with the better voice quality. But based on how it is at a system level and built into the games.. I bet this will be a challenge and no doubt a big reason why it might take some time.
famousmortimer
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Ok... I'm not going to sleep.
What are the potential pitfalls?
Also, if you care, i actually wrote a bloggy-blog piece about being wrong.
The point of your post is to imply a false equivalency between a guy who is paid to spin and flat out lie for Microsoft, and famousmortimer. I didn't miss anything
Check your salt levels.
The difference when a passionate person is in front of a project (X360)
And when a salesman is (Xbox One)
Let's step back from the original rumor for a second. Let's deal with facts.
-Many websites and users have shown their disdain for the current Party system.
-Major Nelson has publicly acknowledged this criticism, and has mentioned he will "report back to the team" about the problems. He also mentioned no timeframe would be available at the moment, but that they're hard at work updating the firmware.
-There are other more serious issues that need to be fixed before Party systems will be addressed, such as only having 2.1 sound when using the HDMI input on XB1, among other things.
-The overhaul of something like this will likely take a lot of time. The holidays are approaching, so the earliest we would see this fixed? Spring timeframe sounds about right. It could be summer, depending on what else they have prioritized.
-This rumor states all of this, plus the potential of it slipping into late 2014.
So basically this rumor isn't totally "out there" or "blatantly false" considering we have solid evidence that this is happening. I'm not sure why people are getting extremely angry. Do they want the rumors to be false, and that MS is perfectly happy with the Party system and don't intend to fix it at all?
-Many websites and users have shown their disdain for the current Party system.
-Major Nelson has publicly acknowledged this criticism, and has mentioned he will "report back to the team" about the problems. He also mentioned no timeframe would be available at the moment, but that they're hard at work updating the firmware.
-There are other more serious issues that need to be fixed before Party systems will be addressed, such as only having 2.1 sound when using the HDMI input on XB1, among other things.
-The overhaul of something like this will likely take a lot of time. The holidays are approaching, so the earliest we would see this fixed? Spring timeframe sounds about right. It could be summer, depending on what else they have prioritized.
-This rumor states all of this, plus the potential of it slipping into late 2014.
So basically this rumor isn't totally "out there" or "blatantly false" considering we have solid evidence that this is happening. I'm not sure why people are getting extremely angry. Do they want the rumors to be false, and that MS is perfectly happy with the Party system and don't intend to fix it at all?
TheRealTalker
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famousmortimer
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I didn't miss the point. I clearly stated that I've never repeated a cboat (or any other "insider") scoop as my own and that all of mine have come from people inside the industry. Why did you choose to skip that part of what I wrote?
I think you don't like what Im saying and think that attacking me will make it wrong... but that's not how it works.
it's working sometimes atm.CountAntonius
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Whst the hell were they thinking. XBL was amazing last gen so hard to just build upon that?
Sure you did. Why would I trust anyone that outright claims to be a Sony fanboy with info about Microsoft? Would you trust an Xbox Fanboy with Sony info? Of course you wouldn't. And neither would I.
phosphor112
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Has anyone said, "Beta tested in the future." yet?
It is horribly confusing to someone coming from 360 and it should not have been. Now that I have gotten used to it, it's not that bad, but I can't think anyone looks at it and says "wow, this works much better than it did on 360".
The single biggest bug to me, is not being able to turn party chat on while BF4 is running. If I say "Xbox go to Killer Instinct" I can join party chat then go back to BF4.
The single biggest bug to me, is not being able to turn party chat on while BF4 is running. If I say "Xbox go to Killer Instinct" I can join party chat then go back to BF4.
cart00nero
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ohh boy, the patch-generation.
BronsonLee
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TOO FUTURE
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Deleted member 47027
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Y'all need to stop kicking dirt on Famousmortimer
lol holy cow
It's just way way too salty around here
It's a rumor..no need to attack Mort over it. Some of you need to act a bit more mature about this. It's not like Xbone OS is working great or anything to make you doubt these claims. If you don't believe the rumor that's fine, time will tell if it's true or not.
It's just way way too salty around here
It's a rumor..no need to attack Mort over it. Some of you need to act a bit more mature about this. It's not like Xbone OS is working great or anything to make you doubt these claims. If you don't believe the rumor that's fine, time will tell if it's true or not.
JrBaconCheeseburger
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i had no idea you could not accept it after, just during the notification?
That is bullshit and a step back
This sounds about right. I'd vouch for late august 14, if anything.
I really want to see this OS shit fixed.
I'm no developer...
Would games then have to be patched to work with the new system? That's what it sounds like to me. The "may take up to a year" may account for the additional time it'll take for the game developers to actually incorporate the changes into new and past titles.
Would games then have to be patched to work with the new system? That's what it sounds like to me. The "may take up to a year" may account for the additional time it'll take for the game developers to actually incorporate the changes into new and past titles.
pedrothelion
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J Allard was one of the biggest corporate d-bags around. Not sure why everyone thinks that he would be MS's savior.
ShogunDarius
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Do you need some vinegar? as those chips are covered in salt
iJudged
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Yeah, and and how can they be so stupid, right? Right?
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I'm fine with the OS as it is, everything works as it's supposed to - for me. But if they can make it better, I'm totally on board. Bring it on. Why not?
Once the Kinect didn't recognize "Xbox Go Netflix" because I farted while speaking, kind of giggled too.
Once the Kinect didn't recognize "Xbox Go Netflix" because I farted while speaking, kind of giggled too.
No ones forcing you to believe, are you mad that others might believe his rumors?
If it were any more next-gen, it would be next-gen.
When did he say that?
Why wouldn't you trust famousmortimer's info on this topic when he talked about the problems with the party system well before launch?
iJudged
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Dat sea salt and vinegar.
One have two major qualms about GAF insiders including Mort:
1. They aren't insiders and they know far less than any actual insider does.
2. At this point anyone talking to Mort has to know that he is going to share that info with everyone, which calls into question their motivation and also makes it very easy to use him as a conduit for information they want public.
That first issue is just one of somewhat misleading billing. The second one is the key. Judith Miller repeated Iraq information from anonymous sources that told her exactly what she wanted to hear and exactly what they wanted the public to hear. In short she was used, or allowed herself to be used, to convey messages to the public as part of a PR campaign.
When someone tells Mort than the XB1 is unstable and crashing a lot who are they and why are they saying it?
Are they an MS employee that loves MS and the XB1? Probably not. Are they a disgruntled MS employee, someone who wants to see the XB1 fail, a guy at a developer competing with the XB1, someone who gets a kick out of seeing the information they shared go viral? Probably something along those lines.
Any time anyone shared secret info with Mort they must be thinking about it going public and what that means, and must want it to go public. Maybe it started as a guy who knows some people in the industry who share tidbits, but at this point it has to be people using him to get across what they want.
Simply repeating information from anonymous sources is extremely prone to abuse. The guy who said that the XB1 was very unstable - what happened to him? Nothing. He got the message he wanted out there, and when it turned out to be false there were no repercussions.
Edit: A lot of what Mort says comes off to me as basically true, but worded more dramatically than is warranted to make fairly normal issues sound major. It's like how Kotaku contacts the 8 most disgruntled laid-off workers at a dev and prints their office gossip as some sort of expose, billing the sort of stuff you hear at literally every developer (the upper management is fickle and asks for irrelevant changes!) as serious issues.
1. They aren't insiders and they know far less than any actual insider does.
2. At this point anyone talking to Mort has to know that he is going to share that info with everyone, which calls into question their motivation and also makes it very easy to use him as a conduit for information they want public.
That first issue is just one of somewhat misleading billing. The second one is the key. Judith Miller repeated Iraq information from anonymous sources that told her exactly what she wanted to hear and exactly what they wanted the public to hear. In short she was used, or allowed herself to be used, to convey messages to the public as part of a PR campaign.
When someone tells Mort than the XB1 is unstable and crashing a lot who are they and why are they saying it?
Are they an MS employee that loves MS and the XB1? Probably not. Are they a disgruntled MS employee, someone who wants to see the XB1 fail, a guy at a developer competing with the XB1, someone who gets a kick out of seeing the information they shared go viral? Probably something along those lines.
Any time anyone shared secret info with Mort they must be thinking about it going public and what that means, and must want it to go public. Maybe it started as a guy who knows some people in the industry who share tidbits, but at this point it has to be people using him to get across what they want.
Simply repeating information from anonymous sources is extremely prone to abuse. The guy who said that the XB1 was very unstable - what happened to him? Nothing. He got the message he wanted out there, and when it turned out to be false there were no repercussions.
Edit: A lot of what Mort says comes off to me as basically true, but worded more dramatically than is warranted to make fairly normal issues sound major. It's like how Kotaku contacts the 8 most disgruntled laid-off workers at a dev and prints their office gossip as some sort of expose, billing the sort of stuff you hear at literally every developer (the upper management is fickle and asks for irrelevant changes!) as serious issues.
RedAssedApe
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I can respect that. As for the pitfalls, that'd be looking like an ass for reporting bad info when it turns out to be wrong. Info that may or may not be agenda filled from who knows where. Such is life I guess.
Pegasus Actual
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Hey Nelson get dat Digital Dolby 5.1 out the door first, c'mon bro, don't sweat the party system, get your priorities in order thanks.
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