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Albert Penello downplays XBO/PS4 difference in Tomb Raider; "we just shipped"

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Ahasverus

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Why are we giving him attention? He's a corporate tool with an agenda, hey, Albert, PS4 costs less, launched at the same time and has the superior version of every game, should consumers not buy the superior and less expensive machine because "you tried" and the bone is "good enough"? How about no.
 

bigmf

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When people use a line like "period. end of story." It makes me angrier than it should. It's an attempt to shut down discussion and often follows a statement that is in doubt and is worthy of debate.

It's a horribly annoying trait to have.
 

Sydle

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I thought he was director of product planning.

So his first tag of Microsoft PR was accurate after all, wonder why he and others wanted it changed...

He works at Microsoft and has obviously been approved to be a public facing figure. Having worked in tech enterprise for the last 6 years, I know you don't get those kinds of privileges to just say anything you want.
 
While there might be some technical differences between PS4 and Xbox One versions of multiplattform games, I'd like to stress the fact that these are not the only areas where PS4 and Xbox One versions differ. Xbox One versions offer a deeper experience though force feedback in the triggers that gives the player a new way to feel the action on screen. On top of that the Xbox One controller is built for supreme comfort in gameplay. For most games, Kinect also offers unique functionality that improves the immersion into a game. So I think the question of superiority of different versions of games needs to be answered on a lot of different levels and in many ways, I feel, Xbox One is the better platform to play these multi platform releases on. Our own exclusive content for Xbox One also shows that Xbox One can absolutely shine on a technological level. So, I'd recommend you not just to compare some numbers on a sheet, but to take a look at the whole experience when evaluating the Xbox One experience.

Perfect. Damn good response.
 

Ban Puncher

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Liamario

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Yep. I agree with AP. They just shipped. The X1 is new. If they're still getting same results by this time next year with 3rd party games, then ya.. they can't do it. But the consoles seem to get better with age. Will see if it's like that again.



Sweet! Us Xbox fans can use the saying from the PS3 guys last gen... "Lazy Devs!!!" ;)
But it's not a one way street. PS4 games are going to improve as well. Why do you assume the gap will close rather than widen?
 

boingball

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Some people are just compulsive liars. Luckily for some of those they get paid some nice money to do this for a corporation.
 
I was hesistant to ask Albert the question but in his defense what else was he gonna say? I'm not a Xbox defender by any means but the fact that the PS4 has a more straight forward X86 architecture vs what XB1 is doing with ESRAM plays a factor in early development cycles.

IMHO if Halo 5 is native 720p and anything less than 60fps, then XB1 has a real issue when compared to PS4.
 
His job is turn things in a positive light. That's his JOB.

You could, you know, just not pay attention to what he's saying.

Lol. Okay.

There is a massive difference between spinning something in a positive light and blatantly lying. Spinning it would be saying the game runs great on One, it is an exciting next-gen experience, etc. etc. Saying that the multi-plat games are the same is a boldfaced lie.

Can you not see the difference?
 
And the PS4 will improve in that time too...

Yes.. this is correct. But it's already getting most games at 1080p/60fps. That's what I'm talking about. Unless you mean PS4 is going to be 4k/120fps or something.

My X1 is a hell of a lot better than my 360 and PS3. I'm a very satisfied customer so far.

But it's not a one way street. PS4 games are going to improve as well. Why do you assume the gap will close rather than widen?
See my first sentence. That's what I'm talking about. Unless you too think the PS4 will go farther and above 1080p/60fps
 

pixlexic

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100% difference in frame rate is not that much of a difference. Okay.

There isn't 100% difference. One is above 30 the other is under 60.

But that doesn't matter because frame rate perception isn't linear. 20 - 30 is a bigger difference from 30 - 40. 30 locked - 60 locked would be big difference .. Still not as much as 20 - 30 IMO though.

Again this is in no way trying to make the consoles equal. ps4 is clearly a lot more powerful than the xbone.
 

xHunter

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"Have you seen Ryse? Conversation over!"


He should be talking about the games they have for 2014 rather than spending time with this.
 

spookyfish

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so let me get this straight "we only just shipped" and the differences are there, what about in 3 years time...

Well, OBVIOUSLY the libraries and development tools will improve for and developers will learn more about the One, while no such optimization will occur with the PS4.

It will, I'm sure, just stand still and not be improved even more over time.
 
I believe that the differences between the boxes [PS4 and Xbox One] is not all that great and I know what is going behind the scenes and I have access to more information about some of this thing than a lot of people.

Talk down to your audience. YEAHHHH
 
There isn't 100% difference. One is above 30 the other is under 60.

But that doesn't matter because frame rate perception isn't linear. 20 - 30 is a bigger difference from 30 - 40. 30 locked - 60 locked would be big difference .. Still not as much as 20 - 30 IMO though.

Again this is in no way trying to make the consoles equal. ps4 is clearly a lot more powerful than the xbone.

NOT LIKE THIS
 
How to improperly spin a situation...


How to properly do it. "We realize that there are difference between our and our competitors hardware and that it will result in different performances, more so in some games than others. That said, we still think we're the bigger value, not just in gaming but as an overall living room machine *insert examples here*"

It sounds much better to just admit minor faults and push what other aspects that you do better in than ignore/make excuses/pretend that you know more than your consumers.
 

cilonen

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Albert Penello said:

"Given the rumored specs for both systems, can anyone conceive of a circumstance or decision one platform holder could make, where despite the theoretical performance benchmarks of the components, the box that appears “weaker” could actually be more powerful?"

"No, seriously, I'm asking because we have our best guys on it over here and no-one can come up with anything. We need spin, fast" he continued.
 

Ding-Ding

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Anyone else up for a drinking game?

Everytime an MS employee says the word "awesome", you have to down a unit of alcohol.

We'll be pissed in next to no time
 

RaikuHebi

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Yes.. this is correct. But it's already getting most games at 1080p/60fps. That's what I'm talking about. Unless you mean PS4 is going to be 4k/120fps or something.

My X1 is a hell of a lot better than my 360 and PS3. I'm a very satisfied customer so far.

See my first sentence. That's what I'm talking about. Unless you too think the PS4 will go farther and above 1080p/60fps

If the resolutions and fps are equal then the PS4 will be able to improve in other areas.
 
thousands of pages battering MS cause of these PR guys....lawd................just don't say anything at all anymore let the games speak for themselves even if it is not as good as their competitors lol
 

LiquidMetal14

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Yep. I agree with AP. They just shipped. The X1 is new. If they're still getting same results by this time next year with 3rd party games, then ya.. they can't do it. But the consoles seem to get better with age. Will see if it's like that again.



Sweet! Us Xbox fans can use the saying from the PS3 guys last gen... "Lazy Devs!!!" ;)

Can we get these fools names instead of just tossing this kind of argument out? It was in the TR thread and it's here now. Come on, let's have a list before casting those dirty PS3 guys for what they are being accused of.
 

x-Lundz-x

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Yep. I agree with AP. They just shipped. The X1 is new. If they're still getting same results by this time next year with 3rd party games, then ya.. they can't do it. But the consoles seem to get better with age. Will see if it's like that again.

Hmmm.

Xbox One will get better performance over time, and PS4 will get better performance over time.

Lets look at this another way:
Person A has 181 dollars in their pocket.
Person B has 123 dollars in their pocket.
Both Person A and Person B get an additional 20 dollars from a kind benefactor.
Who still has more money?
 
If the resolutions and fps are equal then the PS4 will be able to improve in other areas.

That's fine. You've already made it a no win in your mind. I'll wait and see what happens. It's been a great short ride so far.

Can we get these fools names instead of just tossing this kind of argument out? It was in the TR thread and it's here now. Come on, let's have a list before casting those dirty PS3 guys for what they are being accused of.

Oh brother. Like you've never heard the Lazy Dev excuse. It's all I've read when it comes to COD on the PS3. And if it's true, then it's true. Lazy Dev. I don't know. I just think it's a great excuse in times of need. And right now, us Xbots are in need. So now we should use it!

Hmmm.

Xbox One will get better performance over time, and PS4 will get better performance over time.

Lets look at this another way:
Person A has 181 dollars in their pocket.
Person B has 123 dollars in their pocket.
Both Person A and Person B get an additional 20 dollars from a kind benefactor.
Who still has more money?
I think Person A's money will cap off after a bit. He'll still have more, but it won't be as much as when he first started off. Just like the PS3 and 360 and how the PS3 has caught up at the end of the generation which wasn't too late for the Sony fan. I too have faith in my Xbox, just like the Sony fan had faith in their PS3. Who knows.. this could make it much better for the Xbox One part 2. Just as how the PS3 wasn't much to right home about and now with the PS4 everybody is happy again and things are in full swing... that too could happen with the next xbox after this gen and they get their swagger back like with the 360. Just like how Sony lost their swagger with the PS3 and got it back with the PS4.
 

Hexa

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"PS4 and XBone are actually much closer than you think. I know all the evidence isn't in my favor... but um... there's definitely lots of cool stuff that you people don't know about that proves my point. Trust me."

Sure Penello. Sure.
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
Just wait till those XB1 drivers come out in January. There will be so much crow to eat. Framerates will double, resolutions will triple, tears will quadruple.
 

Alienous

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Pinocchio said:
I believe that the differences between the boxes [PS4 and Xbox One] is not all that great and I know what is going behind the scenes and I have access to more information about some of this thing than a lot of people.

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