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[Nightengale]

The "XBone cost $100 more but it has weaker specs" comment is the calling card of a lazy Sony fanboy considering the extra $100 is for the cost of the Kinect.

Call it what you want, but it's ultimately the two prevailing narrative in regards to price difference.

"XB1 is both weaker and $100 more." = Bad value narrative.
"XB1 is $100 more & weaker, but Kinect makes up for it." = Good value narrative.

Guess what narrative is dominating the news sites and airwaves compared to the other?

 

[jett]

Dem Microsoft engineers, dat DirectX.

 

[Mondy]

The "XBone cost $100 more but it has weaker specs" comment is the calling card of a lazy Sony fanboy considering the extra $100 is for the cost of the Kinect.

Yes, that's exactly right, and I'm really hoping you aren't suggesting that's a good thing.

 

[Glorified G]

Continually saying that the Xbox One will outperform the PS4 when the system is getting worse multiplats is pretty silly. Sony never did that with the PS2. They simply let the unique games and features do the talking.

Funny, I remember Phil Spencer going on TV selling how powerful the emotion engine is and hyping some rubber duck demo with the water physics. PS2 was sold on how much powerful next gen was over it's predecessor.

 

[BigDug13]

The "XBone cost $100 more but it has weaker specs" comment is the calling card of a lazy Sony fanboy considering the extra $100 is for the cost of the Kinect.

If Microsoft removes Kinect (which only costs them $75) and then eats a further $25 to bring the console to a price of $399, what does the excuse become then for why they are still so much weaker than an evenly priced console?

 

[Taker666]

I'm sure there will be parity in the future ....Microsoft can always prohibit the release of games on their systems that have lower framerate/resolution (so PS4 games are contained from looking better in future)...much like they prohibit games being released on the Xbox if they have had an earlier release on another system(resulting in games being held back from launching early on Sony/Nintendo platforms).

 

[walltowall]

He should simply focus on the Xbox One games and unique features (now and future).

If he ever talks about specs then he should say that the system will "...provide experiences much better than anything possible on last gen consoles and the Wii U -- we will also have unique gaming experiences that the PS4 won't have" (or something similar to that) and nothing else when it comes to that topic.

Continually saying that the Xbox One will outperform the PS4 when the system is getting worse multiplats is pretty silly. Sony never did that with the PS2. They simply let the unique games and features do the talking.

Yeah he needs to let that go, but he won't. It's pretty foolish.

"NeoGAF, Imma let you finish. But I just gotta say....Ryse is the best looking game OF ALL TIME! Period! End of Story!"

-Kanye Penello

It is!!!.....

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..on consoles

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at least until

the

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next

best looking game of all time!! Period! End of Story!

 

[Withnail]

So basically, his response is "secret sauce".

If it can be fixed, fix it FFS. Otherwise enough with the bullshit.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

As an Xbox One owner I want to believe you...




.............but I don't...

You must be new here.

 

[Dinjooh]

Did they continue to talk about the cloud after they removed DRM?

Even our sources don't believe the differences in the new consoles are stark enough to give the PS4 a major performance advantage. Not surprisingly, Spencer isn't entertaining that possibility, at least not publicly. When I asked him about the GPU differential and consequence on long-term performance for Xbox One in an emailed follow-up to our interview, he wrote:

"The Xbox One architecture is much more complex than any specific feature or component. The proof is ultimately in what gamers see and experience, and with the diversity and quality of games we have at launch—games like Ryse: Son of Rome and Forza Motorsport 5—we are delivering experiences that demonstrate the power capable only on Xbox One. This is only the beginning, as creators spend more time with our development tools and tap the power of cloud compute, we're confident that the Xbox One will be home to the best games, now and for years to come."

They've toned it down considerably.

 

[Slair]

The "XBone cost $100 more but it has weaker specs" comment is the calling card of a lazy Sony fanboy considering the extra $100 is for the cost of the Kinect.

I can't see anything fanboyish about that statement, fanboys tend to talk shit but what that hypothetical lazy sony fanboy says is pure fact.

 

[Averon]

Albert will never live down that DirectX comment. And he shouldn't. What asinine reasoning. Why would he think that MS's creation of DirectX meant anything?

 

[Sydle]

So what do you want us to discuss in a thread that is "Albert Penello downplays XBO/PS4 difference."

Honestly, it doesn't seem newsworthy or discussion worthy. Not sure what you think you'll gain from the discussion that you didn't already know.

 

[TheOctodad]

The "XBone cost $100 more but it has weaker specs" comment is the calling card of a lazy Sony fanboy considering the extra $100 is for the cost of the Kinect.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

MS PR really doesn't know how to shut up. I don't think my fucking washing machine spins more than they do.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Everybody wants to focus on frame rate, there is Tomb Raider, there is a resolution thing going on and OK, there could be a lot of reasons why that could be true

"why that could be true" - which kind of dances around the fact that it is true. Reality is right there. And while there may be a lot of reasons for it, he listed none. Yet one seems most plausible (hardware disparity). "Give us more time" is not a reason.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Ahhhh, the ole, "I know more than you" card.

I'm sure Albert knows more about these things than DICE or Crystal Dynamics or Ubisoft Montreal.

What qualifies as a big deal then? 720p v. 1080p no big deal. 30fps v. 60fps, no big deal. If these things are no big deal, then how can you sell the XB1/PS4 as a "big deal" compared to the previous generations? Aight cool, no big difference between x360 and XB1, stick with x360 then.

Exactly; you downplay these things too much and you negate the point in consumers upgrading to a new more powerful console.

People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. They CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think they don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way they’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious.

I have not played either system, but I thought it was obvious, what with a number of games being 1080p on PS4 and 720p on Xbone?

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

Kinect costs $75 for Microsoft. Its removal would end up having an XBO that costs $425.

hell lets make them exactly the same price for a laugh and take kinect out, you know what your left with? a equally priced weaker machine.

 

[DemonNite]

lol i always wanted to know what Sony's employees reactions to MS PR spin

We're actually normal and react the same as you

 

[ShogunDarius]

The trial of the Xbox One Specs is now in session.

Name and occupation, defendant?

had to post this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSbV5SyYnwY

 

[Majanew]

I believe that the differences between the boxes [PS4 and Xbox One] is not all that great and I know what is going behind the scenes and I have access to more information about some of this thing than a lot of people.

Uhh, the specs are out, dude. And real world tests (multiplats released so far) have shown PS4's more powerful hardware already being taken advantage of in several games. MS made a significantly weaker console than Sony did this time around. Maybe tell those responsible for Xbox and the tech that goes in, to try harder and do better with Xbox One's successor.

Xbox One's 1.18 TF GPU can't compete with PS4's 1.8 TF GPU. Won't matter what how much time goes by -- it is impossible. The best MS can hope for is devs go for parity by holding the PS4 version back, or that millions of gamers just don't give a shit how worse their game looks or runs.

 

[AndyD]

Well what else is the poor guy going to say?

Pretty much. At least he is acknowledging some differences and not saying there are no differences like before.

 

[Mononoke]

The "XBone cost $100 more but it has weaker specs" comment is the calling card of a lazy Sony fanboy considering the extra $100 is for the cost of the Kinect.

Ah yes, but do you value Kinect and all its "features", over some substantial downgrade in most of the major titles you play? Sounds pretty damn ridiculous to me (this is gaming machine we are talking about, right?) And this is coming from someone that owns and X1, and actually likes the new Kinect.

(I put features in " ", because Kinect is actually shit when it comes to in game features. It's only good for navigation in the OS, and voice commands. But even that can be shaky/inconsistent).

 

[BigDug13]

I'm sure there will be parity in the future ....Microsoft can always prohibit the release of games on their systems that have lower framerate/resolution (so PS4 games are contained from looking better in future)...much like they prohibit games being released on the Xbox if they have had an earlier release on another system(resulting in games being held back from launching early on Sony/Nintendo platforms).

If they could have done that, they would have by now.

And having resolution parity was achieved, therefore there's a framerate difference. Or framerate parity can be achieved, but then resolution will have to be different.

There is absolutely no way they're going to pay off all the publishers/devs to leave all that spec headroom untouched on the PS4 and purposely downclock the framerates to lock at 30 on PS4 just for parity sake.

 

[gigantor21]

Their constant efforts to minimize the difference and pretend the two consoles are neck and neck ("Ryse is the best looking console game! The multiplats all look the same!") are only making them look worse. It's as bad as Reggie saying CoD on the WiiU was miles ahead at this point.

What they need to do is stop taking the bait on this and trying to tackle the power argument head on. This isn't like the Xbox 360 and PS3--which is especially ironic, considering how they were more than happy to deal in spec wars for those. But now that their cheaper competition is demonstrably more powerful, it's not a big deal all of a sudden?

Their focus should be on why the overall experience is better on the Xone, and why it's so much better that the console is a better value despite being $100 more. How they can do that when some promised functionality is still AWOL is anyone's guess, though.

 

[Uno Venova]

No. Major Nelson was saying that.

Albert Penello said:
"The most obvious point is that anyone looking at games on both platforms do not see ANY difference, let alone this alleged 30% - 40%. Both systems are powerful. Both are capable of next-gen graphics. I'm merely saying the application of that performance will mean the actual difference will not be that great."

God damn. So much bullshit quotes that I don't even remember. The whole situation sucked, including the quotes upon quotes afterwards thanking these guys for posts like that.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Even outside from teh console warz

I want you to find a company in ANY industry that would publicly state they are "gimped" vs the competition

They do not, they talk about other things. Our vehicle gets better gas mileage, it is safer, quieter, has better ergonomics, less road noise, etc. They do not say our vehicle has the same hp when it does not, they do not say they preform the same when they do not. Microsoft, stop lying. Talk about something else, it isn't like consoles are only about performance. Talk about other things, you have lost that argument and blatantly lying about it isn't helping.

You know like this:

While there might be some technical differences between PS4 and Xbox One versions of multiplattform games, I'd like to stress the fact that these are not the only areas where PS4 and Xbox One versions differ. Xbox One versions offer a deeper experience though force feedback in the triggers that gives the player a new way to feel the action on screen. On top of that the Xbox One controller is built for supreme comfort in gameplay. For most games, Kinect also offers unique functionality that improves the immersion into a game. So I think the question of superiority of different versions of games needs to be answered on a lot of different levels and in many ways, I feel, Xbox One is the better platform to play these multi platform releases on. Our own exclusive content for Xbox One also shows that Xbox One can absolutely shine on a technological level. So, I'd recommend you not just to compare some numbers on a sheet, but to take a look at the whole experience when evaluating the Xbox One experience.

Honestly, it doesn't seem newsworthy or discussion worthy. Not sure what you think you'll gain from the discussion that you didn't already know.

Ok, so it isn't the thread for you? So why are you trying to stop others from discussing something that doesn't interest you? So I guess I wasn't junking up the thread after all then.

 

[Bgamer90]

Of course, that's how Forza was 1080p and 60FPS.

Well Forza has Driveatars so them talking about the cloud in terms of that game makes sense. Just forgot about them doing so.

I asked the question since talking about the cloud more when the system required an internet connection would make sense.

 

[TheOctodad]

We're actually normal and react the same as you

Are you saying that you guys are like ... actual human beings and stuff?

 

[Instro]

The spindoctor is in.

 

[SwiftDeath]

So is Albert Misterxmedia or just a subscriber of his? That's the real question

 

[Asd202]

Just wait till those XB1 drivers come out in January. There will be so much crow to eat. Framerates will double, resolutions will triple, tears will quadruple.

Post of the day .

 

[Violater]

"why that could be true" - which kind of dances around the fact that it is true. Reality is right there. And while there may be a lot of reasons for it, he listed none. Yet one seems most plausible (hardware disparity). "Give us more time" is not a reason.

Do you think he might be trying to blame it on the Devs here?

 

[benny_a]

God damn. So much bullshit quotes that I don't even remember. The whole situation sucked, including the quotes upon quotes afterwards thanking these guys for posts like that.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

So this will be Penello's Last Stand. I wonder what he hopes to accomplish by going all in so early. The generation might last for years.

 

[gofreak]

So much condescension. And was this the guy asking for apologies if his predictions based on his Superior Knowledge turned out correct? And this is response when he was wide of the mark?

Stop leading your consumers up the garden path Albert.

 

[Serick]

While there might be some technical differences between PS4 and Xbox One versions of multiplattform games, I'd like to stress the fact that these are not the only areas where PS4 and Xbox One versions differ. Xbox One versions offer a deeper experience though force feedback in the triggers that gives the player a new way to feel the action on screen. On top of that the Xbox One controller is built for supreme comfort in gameplay. For most games, Kinect also offers unique functionality that improves the immersion into a game. So I think the question of superiority of different versions of games needs to be answered on a lot of different levels and in many ways, I feel, Xbox One is the better platform to play these multi platform releases on. Our own exclusive content for Xbox One also shows that Xbox One can absolutely shine on a technological level. So, I'd recommend you not just to compare some numbers on a sheet, but to take a look at the whole experience when evaluating the Xbox One experience.

+$3

Are you Albert's "Good" doppelganger?

 

[gigantor21]

While there might be some technical differences between PS4 and Xbox One versions of multiplattform games, I'd like to stress the fact that these are not the only areas where PS4 and Xbox One versions differ. Xbox One versions offer a deeper experience though force feedback in the triggers that gives the player a new way to feel the action on screen. On top of that the Xbox One controller is built for supreme comfort in gameplay. For most games, Kinect also offers unique functionality that improves the immersion into a game. So I think the question of superiority of different versions of games needs to be answered on a lot of different levels and in many ways, I feel, Xbox One is the better platform to play these multi platform releases on. Our own exclusive content for Xbox One also shows that Xbox One can absolutely shine on a technological level. So, I'd recommend you not just to compare some numbers on a sheet, but to take a look at the whole experience when evaluating the Xbox One experience.

This. THIS is how they should be approaching marketing for the Xone.

 

[spookyfish]

The "XBone cost $100 more but it has weaker specs" comment is the calling card of a lazy Sony fanboy considering the extra $100 is for the cost of the Kinect.

Totally. But what REALLY bugs me is the XBone costs $100 more, and has weaker specs. I just can't get past that.

 

[RoboPlato]

We're actually normal and react the same as you

So laughter and disbelief? Just like I figured

 

[midasmulligan]

Appeal to a position of authority being used to stifle discussion and actual debate. Squirming out of using tangible indicators that can actually be used to measure system performance.

Well said

 

[kyser73]

The "XBone cost $100 more but it has weaker specs" comment is the calling card of a lazy Sony fanboy considering the extra $100 is for the cost of the Kinect.

If the Xbone were $100 cheaper it would have price parity and still be under powered relative to the competition.

Being generous and saying it's a 30% power difference, the Xbone would need to retail for $280 for price parity to match the power difference.

 

[plainr_]

He makes it sound like the PS4 launched months earlier or something.

 

[SaucyJack]

Call it what you want, but it's ultimately the two prevailing narrative in regards to price difference.

"XB1 is both weaker and $100 more." = Bad value narrative.
"XB1 is $100 more & weaker, but Kinect makes up for it." = Good value narrative.

Guess what narrative is dominating the news sites and airwaves compared to the other?

The first narrative prevails for two reasons.

1. Microsoft have continually gone down the "it's not weaker" route in their arguments when it was obvious from the specs and is now obvious in the games; and

2. Microsoft have done nothing to support or promote the "the Kinect makes up for it" idea or to demonstrate that this is, in any meaningful way, true.

So who's to blame for the prevailing narrative?

 

[Nightengale]

Do you think he might be trying to blame it on the Devs here?

He's not, he's blaming it on 'random reason #468 that he won't comment and reveal."

He's obviously not going to call out anyone, otherwise he risk PR retaliation from the devs who may call him out in his bullshit.

He's blaming it on 'reasons that doesn't imply hardware difference.'

 

[Enchanted]

Remember when Albert and Major Nelson were saying they couldn't wait for the truth to come out?

It came out, MS made people pay $100 more for a system possibly worth $200 less.

Don't feel bad, I was one of the suckers too.

 

[anexanhume]

Yes, Albert, there is performance parity on titles like just dance, skylanders and Lego. You got Sony right where you want them.

 

[phosphor112]

So, the PS4, that also just shipped doesn't have problems... what's the answer for that? Could it possibly be that the hardware is... you know...better?

Of course Ryse looks good. It's 900p at 30fps. Sometimes.

Sony should seriously just release that full interactive tech demo of the dark sorcerer so people can just shut up about the power.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

I don't get why everyone is getting so worked up, what did you expect him to say? Is he supposed to bash his own product and lose his job just to please some gaffers? Come on now.

 

[dose]

I think there were 12 titles were released on both platforms [PS4 and Xbox One], leaving three, all of them had the same performance on both boxes.

LOL what.
Jeez, I'm going to wear this gif out.

I don't get why everyone is getting so worked up, what did you expect him to say?

How about not telling blatant lies about the comparisons?