Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
So the extra $100 is for the GPU bump. That's it. Everything else is the same.
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Sony likely saved about $15 by not including a UHD drive in PS4 Pro.
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LordOfChaos
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Guys, I know where that 15 dollars is going...They're taking a 15 dollar hit on direct conversion for us Canadians!
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01LR207T8/
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01LR207T8/
Probably quite a bit more than the amount of people who were waiting on this device for its ability to play UHD Blu-rays...
Hop over to the other side if UHD Blu-ray is the defining feature of this console generation in your mind. I just have a hard time believing that any more than ~5% really care.
Did the 1TB hard drive get axed? Did they not have to make some changes with regard to cooling to accommodate the new hardware? Or is this literally just a ps4 popped open with a different GPU put in place of the old one?
The Last Wizard
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I understood the reference.
Honestly hoping a Pro Slim ends up being a thing lol
mckmas8808
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So MS will be losing money on each Xbox One S sold?
CloudyTuba
Member
I would have gladly paid $415 instead of $400 to get a Pro with an UHD player.
Now I'll be paying $0 so I guess everyone saves money.
Now I'll be paying $0 so I guess everyone saves money.
That'll be the PS5, if physical media is still something most consumers want to begin with. Sony has said many times that PS4 and Pro are the same hardware cycle and that parity will exist between them. Having UHD discs makes no sense unless Sony wanted to let devs make PS4 Pro exclusive games. It's just not happening.
I really doubt that.
It's not the deciding factor for me, but when the Scorpio will be much more powerful, it doesn't help at all. And I never wanted to go back to Xbox a year ago. PS4 has many more cons over the Scorpio at this point. Also PS+ going up to $70 in Canada. It looks like it will make more sense for me for Xbox to become my main multimedia console/player while keeping my old PS4 for exclusives.
Then what was all the praising of 4k HDR tv's and bragging about how many hours of netflix you could watch in 4k on it?
dragonzdogma
Member
You know at first I was pretty upset, than I realized I have maybe only used a blue ray movie 5 or 6 times on my ps4, and I have about 15 blue ray movies.
So, yeah it sucks , but man I hardly use the thing. And not not to mention I have zero uhd movies and I lack a 4k tv.
So, yeah it sucks , but man I hardly use the thing. And not not to mention I have zero uhd movies and I lack a 4k tv.
I can tell you already that youtube was chugging at some points just playing the 4k video......now imagine more then one device in a house trying to stream 4k...along with other content and users at the same time.....its going to fucking buffer like crazy.
We are not ready for 4k streaming future for a household.
This. Was really ready to finally jump into their ecosystem this gen but this doesn't hit all the marks for me. I need a Persona 5 and UHD machine.
I extrapolated from the best example we have. Namely the XB1 vs S. No need to be snarky, I used plenty of qualifiers. It's a rough estimate that is hardly concrete but does shed some light on the issue.
Except for the over clocked CPU, higher bandwidth memory, twice the HDD space...yeah, GPU is it
think what exactly? That Sony is a business?
family_guy
Member
No. That's the price for the 2TB model. The 500GB costs less.
Nope. The $300 PS4 Slim also has a slower CPU and a 500 GB hard drive.
That's a problem though. If you owned a 4k tv you would know that currently the only other way to watch 4k is to stream it, and streaming on a 4k display makes the compression artifacts of video streams more apparent. If you owned a 4k tv, you would care, plain and simple.
There are so many posts on here that are "dont care, don't own a 4k tv." That's like saying in 2006 about blu ray "don't care, dvds look fine on my crt tv."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2496861,00.asp
I can get a gigabit connection where I live but a majority of people in the country cannot stream 4K broadcast, ignoring the fact that many also have datacaps
Lol
Undead Fantasy
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Gamezone
Gold Member
The PS4 and the PS4 Pro share the samee games. So will Xbox One and Scorpio. So why not the consoles after the Scorpio and PS4 Pro? I thought this was the magic sauce going forward.
blame space
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i was under the impression that UHD consoles had already shipped?
March of the Crabs
Member
It really is a bizarre move. I just don't understand it.
One of the dumbest decisions in gaming is not including a uhd Blu-ray player to play movies.
Lol the hyperbole is real.
For all we know it did, just not in any meaningful way for them to keep supporting it. They wouldn't still be selling it if the device was losing money. The high attach rate and proprietary memory probably made them profit. If you are talking number of units then sure it is big failure.
All I am saying is looking at things from a business point of view, they are most likely going to make out great with the ps4 pro and tide the sales until ps5 which will likely arrive in 2018 to compete with Scorpio now that they have continuously said they are not starting a new generation with ps4 pro and made no efforts to bump up the specs. People buying a ps4 for the first time will just see the 100 difference and say they might as well pick up the pro and people that already have a ps4 can either wait for a bigger jump in ps5 or buy the pro. For the price conscious there is the slim ps4. All of them designed to be profitable from the get go.
Gamezone
Gold Member
I do.
People who care about image quality and surround sound.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
1TB drive? They cost fuck all and are already in PS4 consoles now that have great deals as is. This cost increase is obviously all based around the GPU bump. Which obviously includes all that comes along with that.
Cooling, power supply etc.
People who actually like to watch movies with good image quality.
Trogdor1123
Member
Do we really need another thread on this?
That would split the ps4 userbase too strongly for now, no?
May be because of high failure rates of the new tech which would result in more repairs...
Right? Lmao. Im sure sony did research and saw most people prefer streaming and are gearing thw console towards that.
I haven't bought a blu ray in 3 years and all thw blu rays i have i dont even watch.
Fair enough. The power is the crux of the whole issue here, isn't it? If Scorpio's flops already had someone's interest, I sincerely doubt what the PS4 Pro could/couldn't do with blu-rays was going to sway that someone's opinion.
Hockeymac18
Member
I don't think either iterative console will be a sales monster. Base models will continue to be the respective sales monsters of each platform. At least until the next "generation" or "iteration" (depending on how things proceed with new consoles).
Chiggs
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In the context of major components it is a small part. I realize $15 spread over millions of consoles isn't insignificant. But then why did they bother to spend more on a better wifi chip? Or spend the R&D on a new case when they could have saved millions using a special color and keeping the old design plus better cooling.
Everything ads up, it just depends on where you draw the line. I tend to think this is a mistake, you might disagree. But even if you do no need to assume I have no clue about manufacturing costs and how companies will work to shave every penny they can.
The key is you shave off where you can get away with it. Boosting the appeal and viability of the format seems worth it. Some don't agree. Fine.
I wonder how we have been able to stream 50GB 1080p movies up until now?!
Holiday and $399 I cant see it not doing well.
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