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thelastword · Dec 4, 2016

So GG and Kojima teamed up to name and improve the Killzone Engine. That engine is already bonkers and Kojima found ways to improve it even more...What a great tag team, one thing is certain from all of this.....

Heads will roll at 60fps, eyesockets will melt at 30.............

enemy2k · Dec 4, 2016

Hope a pc version is still coming cause I need this.

Triggerhappytel · Dec 4, 2016

Great stuff. I wonder if in a few years Guerrilla will be Sony's equivalent to DICE as they are to EA, with lots of studios using their engine and they considered the jewel in Sony's crown (or close to it alongside ND, SSM, etc).

Qassim · Dec 4, 2016

BlackLagoon said:
PhyreEngine was made to ease multi-platform development for third parties during the early PS3 era when an number of them were skipping the platform due to its notorious complexity. It officially supported both PC and 360, and had a very permissive license letting developers do whatever they wanted with it. I believe Sidhe even ported it to the Wii and iOS. It's not in any way comparable to Guerilla sharing their in-house proprietary tech.

It's comparable in the sense that they're both in-house proprietary engines. It demonstrates that Sony is not against allowing their proprietary tech to be developed for other competing platforms. They're not even against publishing games that they have co-developed on PC, e.g. http://store.steampowered.com/app/417880/ which was developed by SCE Santa Monica & The Chinese Room, launches on PC with 'Sony Computer Entertainment Presents' screen etc..

I'm not saying it definitely is still coming to PC (details are still hazy), but I'm saying that history suggests that what we know about it so far doesn't preclude it from coming to PC.

DavidDesu said:
I dunno, I would find it extremely odd that they're working closely with a Sony first party, Mark Cerny the architect of the PS4 is a technical consultant, and SIE studios being used for motion capture would ever make this game remotely viable to be sold on the Xbox platform. PC fine but it's console exclusive surely?

Right - I did say that. I'm not expecting it on competing consoles, but Sony using the term 'console exclusive' and the fact yet to correct that as far as I'm aware suggests there are terms that means it's open to come to PC at some point.

AAMARMO · Dec 4, 2016

(YongYea) Death Stranding - Is Stefanie Joosten Involved?

ChosenPredator · Dec 4, 2016

jmga said:
Nope, Kojima himself confirmed it for PC.

thank the gods if thats true

Tovarisc · Dec 4, 2016

AAMARMO said:
(YongYea) Death Stranding - Is Stefanie Joosten Involved?

We will be so ashamed of our words and thoughts when we learn real reason why her character has even less clothing this time than she had in MGSV.

HStallion · Dec 4, 2016

AAMARMO said:
(YongYea) Death Stranding - Is Stefanie Joosten Involved?

She's going to be covered in so much armor in this game you can't even tell she's human.

sssstententen · Dec 4, 2016

Id love to see sony get more into PC development even as just a porting or side project

Heckler456 · Dec 4, 2016

sersteven said:
Id love to see sony get more into PC development even as just a porting or side project

That would be a profound change of direction for them given the fact that they sold off their last tendrils in the PC development community.

Deleted member 80556 · Dec 4, 2016

AAMARMO said:
(YongYea) Death Stranding - Is Stefanie Joosten Involved?

Oh, I remember her visiting Guerrilla, but didn't think much about it then.

Hope she's featured in another Kojima's game, where she hopefully talks more and has more clothes.

qa_engineer · Dec 4, 2016

It's about time GG made their tech official. I can imagine this being used by a other first party and second party studios.

Prototype Viktor · Dec 4, 2016

orochi91 said:
+1

Sony footing the bill for all those expensive actors too.

Eh probably wasn't hard getting them, sure they worked in a Sony TV or movie production before

Heshinsi · Dec 4, 2016

Qassim said:
It has probably already been mentioned, but an engine being developed by Sony doesn't exclude that game also being made available for other platforms. Sony's own PhyreEngine has been used in games for PC a fair few times before and not by Sony themselves.

I'd have thought if it was definitely a PS4 exclusive, Sony would be clarifying that. They used the words 'console exclusive' but haven't upgraded to 'exclusive' - which there would be no reason not to (and plenty of reason to do) if it was definitely only ever going to be a PS4 game.

They are the trademark owners though. It may show up on PC, but not on any other systems beyond that.

LurkFish17 · Dec 4, 2016

I figured that since the Killzone engine belongs to Sony they wouldnt want it on anything but ps4.

Qassim · Dec 4, 2016

Heshinsi said:
They are the trademark owners though. It may show up on PC, buy not on any other systems beyond that.

Right, all I'm talking about is PC. Sony own the trademark for Everybody's Gone to the Rapture & co-developed that game, it showed up on PC published by Sony themselves.

Heshinsi · Dec 4, 2016

Qassim said:
Right, all I'm talking about is PC. Sony own the trademark for Everybody's Gone to the Rapture & co-developed that game, it showed up on PC published by Sony themselves.

That's fair. If it shows up on PC and it makes good bank, it may convince Sony to share more of the love with PC gamers

RobRivers · Dec 4, 2016

Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew said:
It wasn't officially announced for PC. It was more of a "It's not coming to Xbox. It's up to Kojima if it releases on PC, but for now it's exclusive for PS4". Even if it's hinted at being on PC, it won't release or be talked about until or after PS4's release.

Hope It can be launched as pc play anywhere hehe

Sorry about my english.

vpance · Dec 4, 2016

AAMARMO said:
(YongYea) Death Stranding - Is Stefanie Joosten Involved?

And the good news keeps coming 👌

RootCause · Dec 4, 2016

AAMARMO said:
(YongYea) Death Stranding - Is Stefanie Joosten Involved?

Ehh... I really hope that isn't the case. I'm okay if she's doing voice work, but a character modeled after her real appearance would blow. Imagine if Solid Snake appeared on other games, playing a different role as if he were an actor. Yikes!

EVIL · Dec 4, 2016

vpance said:
And the good news keeps coming 👌

not really news is it. just speculation.

Qassim · Dec 4, 2016

RootCause said:
Ehh... I really hope that isn't the case. I'm okay if she's doing voice work, but a character modeled after her real appearance would blow. Imagine if Solid Snake appeared on other games, playing a different role as if he were an actor. Yikes!

You do know Stefanie Joosten is a real person and not a character, right? It's not really the same as if Solid Snake (a fictional character) were to appear in other games acting as a different character.

I'm not sure what the problem would be for an actress to act in another role.

RootCause · Dec 4, 2016

Qassim said:
You do know Stefanie Joosten is a real person and not a character, right? It's not really the same as if Solid Snake (a fictional character) were to appear in other games acting as a different character.

I'm not sure what the problem would be for an actress to act in another role.

Yes, I know. It was a bad exmpale. A better one would've been Troy barker appearing as himself in every game. Personally I dont like it. Its why I have lost interest in movies, and tv shows lately.

And I don't have a problem, I just don't like it.

EGM1966 · Dec 4, 2016

Still hoping for PC version but not taking it as a given. If it's timed I hope they make it clear.

Pinko Marx · Dec 4, 2016

RootCause said:
Yes, I know. It was a bad exmpale. A better one would've been Troy barker appearing as himself in every game. Personally I dont like it. Its why I have lost interest in movies, and tv shows lately.

And I don't have a problem, I just don't like it.

You're the first I've ever heard of having that problem. It's a weird one fer sure. But we don't get to choose how our brain works so I ain't mad at ya.

Tovarisc · Dec 4, 2016

RootCause said:
Yes, I know. It was a bad exmpale. A better one would've been Troy barker appearing as himself in every game. Personally I dont like it. Its why I have lost interest in movies, and tv shows lately.

And I don't have a problem, I just don't like it.

I wouldn't mind if his voice didn't appear in every another AAA game.

RootCause · Dec 4, 2016

Pinko Marx said:
You're the first I've ever heard of having that problem. It's a weird one fer sure. But we don't get to choose how our brain works so I ain't mad at ya.

Lol hopefully its something that will pass. Won't stop me from getting the game though.

ps: I always thought Piccolo would be a shotgun guy.

Comfort Jones · Dec 5, 2016

CyberPunked said:
"Please give me proof other than that proof". oh, okay...

Well seeing how that proof has been deleted with absolutely zero other comments existing on that subject/they're now using an engine so far only used for PS4, yeah I kinda need more to work with here.

I-hate-u · Dec 5, 2016

SolidSnakex said:
When Kojima met Guerrilla they introduced themselves and handed him this

That's the source code to Decima. He said they gave him that before any deals or contracts were in place.

That is so cool. Do all studios have an elaborate hardware that stores their engine like that?

Braag · Dec 5, 2016

Dunno why some people look like they're about to lose sleep over a potential PC version.
Right now we know barely anything about the game so just give it time. Maybe even Kojima isn't entirely sure yet whether the game will be released on another platform or not, it depends on so many things.

Chev · Dec 5, 2016

I-hate-u said:
That is so cool. Do all studios have an elaborate hardware that stores their engine like that?

Well, you don't store them in a box like that, that a nice symbol and nothing more. You store them in source control systems on servers/clouds, with backup systems, like any sensitive data, really.

DigSCCP · Dec 5, 2016

An amazing engine, two upcoming games with this engine, an amazing pannel about the engine last wekeend and all we got around here is 8 pages of "its coming for PC, deal with " / "its going to be exclusive, deal with it" bullshit.
Damn sometimes Neogaf can be so frustrating.

Tovarisc · Dec 5, 2016

DigSCCP said:
An amazing engine, two upcoming games with this engine, an amazing pannel about the engine last wekeend and all we got around here is 8 pages of "its coming for PC, deal with " / "its going to be exclusive, deal with it" bullshit.
Damn sometimes Neogaf can be so frustrating.

People don't like platform exclusives, more news at 11!

DigSCCP · Dec 5, 2016

Tovarisc said:
People don't like platform exclusives, more news at 11!

Yeah I know.
The thing is this isnt even a Death Strading thread, its a thread about an engine and all we have here is people whining about a game that is not going to be released at best until 2018, and probably it will be further, being exclusive or not.

mileS · Dec 5, 2016

The source code in the wooden box was a cool gesture.

Javin98 · Dec 5, 2016

AAMARMO said:
(YongYea) Death Stranding - Is Stefanie Joosten Involved?

Sometimes I wish YongYea would keep his speculations to himself without substantial evidence. Stefanie seems to be pretty busy on a few films right now in addition to her modelling career and currently in the US for unknown reasons. She seems to be pretty excited for the game, though.

Triggerhappytel · Dec 5, 2016

Heckler456 said:
That would be a profound change of direction for them given the fact that they sold off their last tendrils in the PC development community.

SOE was always separate to SCE though, and in the last year SCE have published their first two games on PC with Helldivers and Everybody's Gone to the Rapture.

Lagspike_exe · Dec 5, 2016

The best thing about this is that GG will gain valuable input and possible updates from KojiPro. So you'll have two top tier studios working on improving an already awesome engine.

FarFromAnyGame · Dec 5, 2016

thelastword said:
So GG and Kojima teamed up to name and improve the Killzone Engine. That engine is already bonkers and Kojima found ways to improve it even more...What a great tag team, one thing is certain from all of this.....

Heads will roll at 60fps, eyesockets will melt at 30.............

Jaws will drop either way!

ViciousDS · Dec 5, 2016

SIE publishing and owning rights to the game means it probably is PS4 exclusive

Can't wait to see how amazing it turns out to be on the Pro though

Opus Angelorum · Dec 5, 2016

Games built on this engine are going to look bonkers.

Loudninja · Dec 9, 2016

Part of the inspiration for the name of @DecimaEngine came from David Mitchells novel about an artificial island on the coast of Nagasaki.

https://twitter.com/hermenhulst/status/807241168375443457

funo · Dec 12, 2016

Kojima just posted 8 new pics of the Decima engine (might warrant a new thread, but I can't do it)

they are renders of their office with in-game assets and some stills from the trailer

just - wow

original tweets here and here

Chaos2Frozen · Dec 12, 2016

They should put them side by side with the real thing and ask if people could tell the difference

Ishan · Dec 12, 2016

I'm sure this has been brought up but I'm too lazy to scan thru all the pages ... God I hope no one at gg has seen poi

funo · Dec 12, 2016

Chaos2Frozen said:
They should put them side by side with the real thing and ask if people could tell the difference

~~They did - can be found here~~

sorry, my bad, it's the Fox engine as pointed out below

Ran rp · Dec 12, 2016

funo said:
They did - can be found here

that's the fox engine

Phil Fish · Dec 12, 2016

I think this cements that Death Stranding won't be coming to PC.

Inspectah_Deck · Dec 12, 2016

I-hate-u said:
That is so cool. Do all studios have an elaborate hardware that stores their engine like that?

Uh, you realize that's just an USB-Stick in a wooden box?

dracula_x · Dec 13, 2016

Tools for the job – Part 1: The Nodegraph System → https://www.guerrilla-games.com/read/tools-for-the-job-part-1-the-nodegraph-system

“In essence, the Nodegraph System allows designers to create complex gameplay elements without writing code,” explains Senior Game Tech Programmer Olaf Jansen, who helps maintain the system along with Game Tech Programmer Bryan Keiren. “We originally built it for Killzone’s sound designers, who were looking for an easier way to attach audio behavior to game objects.”

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