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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Dlacy13g
Member
Well, I guess that is what E3 is for and why they got this out of the way now.
Well it does have 4GB more RAM
It would be pretty disappointing if Scorpio didn't have better textures
Shil Pencer
Member
You can already do this so yes
Jaguar Victory
Member
We're you guys impressed? It seems like a great follow up to the XBOX One. I'm in.
Papacheeks
Banned
It's not coming till 2019. At the earliest.
They don't have to react, they still have the market, and if they continue with their software output, and exclusive third party support they won't have to worry about anything.
This device is for mainly Enthusiasts like the PS4PRO. Only thing that can make it more mainstream is the price, and possibly exclusive games that run best on Scopio.
KINGofCRA5H
Member
I'll eat a fucking feast of crow if Scorpio is $399.
Right, especially since all games will still need to run on the original XBone hardware.
wesleyshark
Banned
Still mmmmmmmmm
yeah, good point. Sony will probably want to push the margins for both the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro for atleast another 2 years or so.
AyraSutoraifu
Member
Nope, they don't have to. Scorpio or Ps4Pro will do nothing upsetting.
They are not about to shit on everyone who are out there buying the still new Pro. Or base PS4 for that matter, lol.
Ploid 3.0
Member
What I find funny, is that it's now the 2nd time that they "reveal" the Scorpio, and we still don't have any idea of what it looks like.
When you look back at that: https://twitter.com/majornelson/status/304396492314128385?lang=fr
That's pretty funny, yes.
Except that, I'm very interested by the console.
I think they are over their silly comment about not showing hardware at announcement. How long did it take AMD to show a ryzen chip after showing demos and specs? They only showed it when it was a few days to go before launch. Announcing specs shouldn't require you to show the hardware.
Primethius
Banned
None. Sony has no reason to do anything to counteract Scorpio in terms of sales or momentum aside from try and match some featuresets.
They're dominating. And that'll continue to happen.
Chill Penguin
Member
Wasnt the whole point of the PS4Pro to extend the life of the PS4? They even said as much. You're not going to get console announcements two years in a row from Sony. Real life is not a fanboy war.
PS5 will be released 2020 at the latest, I can't see them going past that.
blue_phazon
Member
I think people will be surprised by how long this gen will be. It feels like it just started getting the ball rolling in the last 2 years, so I don't expect PS5 or Xbox 2 until at least 2020. If anything, the existence of these mid-gen upgrades is to extend the life of the gen.
MissCauthon
Member
So ps4 pro 8g ram.
5 dedicated to games 3 for the rest ui etc.
Scorpio 12g ram
8 desicated to games 4 for the rest ui etc.
Does the os ui or what ever require that much?
5 dedicated to games 3 for the rest ui etc.
Scorpio 12g ram
8 desicated to games 4 for the rest ui etc.
Does the os ui or what ever require that much?
Confirmed more expensive then the Pro, or a guestimation ?
Why? Better start preparing then.
I repeat, they didn't stick with Jaguar/Polaris for shits and giggles.
I am not saying that the Scorpio is as power as a 1080. My point is that it is more powerful then a pro. But because the pro is also a pretty powerful system it will be very comparable.
The extra gig is DDR3 if I am not mistaken, and only used for holding non-game apps in memory. Someone correct me if I am wrong. But I do believe they increased the GDDR5 RAM available to games by .5 GB
It will fail at any higher price. Microsoft knows that.
I would agree with you if it didn't work out well for them in the past.
People tend to forget that the PS2 sold 50m units between 2006 and 2012.
And once again, there were enough people on GAF who were ok with the Pro and defending Sony's move: "people who bought a PS in 2013 are not left behind" (=3 Years). So why should Pro buyers cry about a new console after 3 years?
Papacheeks
Banned
Thought that's what the Xbox ONE S was? It was better designed, had a UHD player, HDR support in games?
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|Project Scorpio | 360mm2 |
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|PS4 Pro | 348mm2 |
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯I know it isn't super important....but I'm a stickler for these kind of things and it's Always fun to me to have everything down.
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On topic: This is kinda interesting. Seems as Microsoft actually learned and is making a gaming machine first but a bummer to lock out 4GB to the system. I can see the need for it if they are going to supply streaming in 4k60fps but with the Jag, even clocked up, I wonder how the encoding will work. Have they said anything about when they will share more information? This was actually kinda interesting.
If you are to talk general picture instead of just getting a nerd boner about the Console I have to say that I'm in a similar boat.
I have done everything to rid myself of Microsoft as much as possible and is looking forward and cheering on all the Linux ports that are made but there have always been one particular interest. Their Console. The only plus, in my book, this company has.
But yes, games. To me I see no games whatsoever coming from Microsoft themselves. The only ones I'm looking forward to is the indie games they have on line but even they seem to be coming to other platforms on PC but there is one thing in particular that may sell this system to me. The emulation of 360 games the 360 exclusives in particular. If they can improve the resolution as well as the texture filtering I actually think I will jump on. Assuming it actually doesn't come to PC.
And yes, I see the problem. It's not the new Xbox games I care about but the emulation of the older ones.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
They still need to show off the console itself and give it a price. Probably show already announced titles or titles being shown off at E3 using that hardware. They need some serious IP help and if they don't deliver that at E3, then, well, good luck MS.
Do you think MS is willing to eat that much money again, like what they did with the 360?
It's an extra gig of DDR3 ram for the rest mode.
digoutyoursoul
Member
It's the tribal mentality I don't like and the notion that "everyone has a bias" when it comes to these systems, brands. Preference is not bias, preferences change depending on tastes and so on, that can apply to the systems and brands too to many of us.
"Justify previous actions"
Let's be honest, I get what you are saying but at the end of the day, who really cares in the grand scheme of things? As I said, it's games consoles dude.
This generation might end up being longer than the last one.
- Sales are really good, starting a new generation would be risking losing that
- Pro and Scorpio models are there for people looking for graphical upgrades
- Pro sales haven't been amazing, meaning there's not really a demand for a more powerful, more expensive console.
- Games, even niche games, are selling much better.
There's way too much risk with a new generation. 4 more years of One/4 at least.
funkystudent
Member
So are we just stuck with a jaguar cpu indefinitely in the console space as long as BC is importamt?
Looks like a monster. Impressed they stuck a vapour chamber cooler in there.
I still think pricing will be key. Horizon already looks jaw dropping at 4k so unless they manage to make games look wildly better than Horizon on it then it needs to be priced similarly to PS4 Pro, which I doubt it will be as Sony will surely cut the price around Scorpio launch.
V tempted to get one for multi plat goodness but I might hold fire till I see what sort of differences we can expect.
I still think pricing will be key. Horizon already looks jaw dropping at 4k so unless they manage to make games look wildly better than Horizon on it then it needs to be priced similarly to PS4 Pro, which I doubt it will be as Sony will surely cut the price around Scorpio launch.
V tempted to get one for multi plat goodness but I might hold fire till I see what sort of differences we can expect.
Don't get me wrong, they need this thing to compete, but it also seems to me that they are attacking this hardware thing that's been taunting them for years with a ferver, that is amazing to see, but in the end is only a temporary solution to a much bigger problem, which is software.
With the hand they currently have shown, there is nothing that can compete with Sonys armada of exclusives, and I don't think they ever can match the quantity, so they need heavyhitters. Halo and Gears aren't what they once were, and the next Forza Motorsport is not gonna turn things around.
Excited to see what they have in store at E3. Needless to say, this will be the most cruical point in Xbox history. If nothing else but for competitions sake, I hope they can surprise in a way they haven't in the last few years.
With the hand they currently have shown, there is nothing that can compete with Sonys armada of exclusives, and I don't think they ever can match the quantity, so they need heavyhitters. Halo and Gears aren't what they once were, and the next Forza Motorsport is not gonna turn things around.
Excited to see what they have in store at E3. Needless to say, this will be the most cruical point in Xbox history. If nothing else but for competitions sake, I hope they can surprise in a way they haven't in the last few years.
Not sure how some of you are stating that the Scorpio isn't that much more powerful than the pro when the specs are right there. Over 40% more CPU power, 1.8 tf higher, and 3 gb more ram directly for games. How is that not much more? Scorpio literally towers over it in all aspects.
Remember to pre-heat your oven before the E3 press conference then.
thekiddfran
Member
Now Sony can make a PS5 with better specs than the Scorpio and announce it next year
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Extra gig to render the dashboard at 4k.
To be honest, I can't help but look at my PS4Pro and feel a bit disappointed. MS seems to have made so many...smart decisions with their build. Things that could / should've been supported by Pro.
I still don't think they are going to one up sony on the console race as this gen is pretty much locked down and they still don't really have any exclusives but now they have a very good platform to build on. If anything this makes me excited about the true successor to the xbox one.
I still don't think they are going to one up sony on the console race as this gen is pretty much locked down and they still don't really have any exclusives but now they have a very good platform to build on. If anything this makes me excited about the true successor to the xbox one.
statham
Member
Extra memory for 4k rendering.
They're using extra memory as a RAM Disk too..which is great.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Yup. RDR2 is only just coming this year which means GTAVI wont be for a long while (surely coming to this gen too).
I would guess 'true next gen' will be 2020 at the earliest.
yes forever
texhnolyze
Banned
$399 is reasonable. You can't compare last year techs' price to this year's, apple to apple.
Papacheeks
Banned
I don't think your your considering the other factors that can drive up price like Osirisblack and foundry talked about which is GDDR5 memory and advanced cooling solution.
MeisterLeder
Banned
Yup. Thats im thinking since the early rumors of Scorpio and PS4 Pro came around.
This machines are not there just for the small 4k market.
And i mean thanks to this Hardware upgrades there really isnt much need for a new gen until at least 2021 in my opinion.
It's not a jag they're fully customized built from ground up CPU cores with everything upgraded. Jags aren't even capable of 2.3ghz