Well, no matter which path they choose, it's bound to result in some great games and some even greater GAF fireworks, hehe..
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shadyspace
Banned
TunaMonster is the chicken little of Nintendo-GAF, I've never seen a post of his that wasn't "THE SKY IS FALLING!"
MisterHero
Super Member
I hate how microtransactions are used in retail games, but if handled properly with a F2P game, I feel it's like buying a booster pack for your favorite card game. Still, it's digital, so you really don't "own" it, and the controlled rarity numbers causes players more grief than it should, becuase they want a similar play experience which should be mandatory in the first place.
You can at least print AR cards you don't own?
You can at least print AR cards you don't own?
Shadow Hog
Member
Well, guess we know TF2 won't be coming to the Wii U any time soon...?
This is disappointing to me because I was looking forward to booster-style NFC DLC, as sad as that sounds.
I think that was orchestrated personally. The fact that it had the older version of the controller was way too convinient imo.
You forgot me?
GameplayWhore
Member
I'm happy to hear this. I want the industry to remain consumer friendly from a price perspective, and this generation floored me in how crazy high everything was pushed.
Fourth Storm
Member
I think it would be more insane for Sony if they made it underpowered. Their audience obviously values high quality graphics. They need to meet those expectations. It's how they go about meeting those expectations that will change (customized PC parts instead of built from ground up).
Even though Sony as a whole is in the shit, and the PS3 isn't number one in NA, Sony still see it as one of their best things going. They won't hesitate to pour their resources into the games division. They certainly won't just mail it in and let Nintendo and MS take the low and high-end markets respectively.
Also remember that Sony engineer's outline for the future of Playstation. They're looking at a system which will see its life extended via peripherals (everything from haptics, to vitality sensors, to the ultimate dream of VR glasses). Another 10 year plan, if you will.
Next gen is shaping up to be interesting, indeed.
There aren't sanctions yet, those companies self-moderated themselves for the reasons brought up in my post. And it's really the abusive use of this model that is under investigation by both a council (made in part of some of these same societies employees) and the japanese consumer agency. Basically, if they are reasonable and not rely too much on hazard, they will be able to keep this kind of "addictive micro-transactions".
lol, it's true, but that's because I'm extremely pesimist about everything <__<
shadyspace
Banned
mad respect for owning up to it lol
GameplayWhore
Member
Yeah, that's why it was debatable. NES is the most powerful in some ways.
That generation, the Neo Geo was the fastest console. It came out in North America around the same time as the SNES. That aside, the Genesis did have a cpu apparently twice as fast (based on a similar architecture, it looks like) as well as a second processor. Mind you, that info is from a brief look at wikipedia. But SNES definitely wasn't the most powerful, and the most powerful system certainly floundered.
In the handheld realm, the advantage of less computationally powerful systems in the marketplace is magnified by the fact that more oomphy systems eat battery life, and that's a priority. Well, it used to be
GameplayWhore
Member
An audience that you cannot profit off is not a very reliable audience for a business.
Sony is still massively, massively in the hole after catering to this audience for this entire generation.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
WHAT A TWIST!
snowdog1971
Banned
I actually think that DRC works really well tbh. I'm hoping they stick with the name, it's short and easy to remember, works better than any of the above alternatives imo.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I don't think there's any question that it will be more powerful than the Wii U.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
BG said 2x better than WiiU at a minimum
It all makes sense now!
Probably a step or three-above the U. But it won't blow the U out of the water.
GameplayWhore
Member
Perhaps we can call it the "Congo". Rolls off the tongue nicely.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The truth will be revealed when I host Nintendo's E3 2012 presser.
Forsaken82
Member
I certainly hope that isn't what they are thinking. Putting faith into third parties to find clever uses for the controller to make multiplats/ports worth buying over the others is not the way to do business.
I would not be surprised if no more than 10% of the ports actually use the controller in an interesting way that truly sets it apart. Especially during the early years of the system.
I've grown to like subscreen very much. Better than uPad, which is what I was calling it.
And the thing is, I've grown to only expect big controller-related revelations/innovations/demonstrations from Nintendo. Regular, vanilla-controlled ports are better than nothing at all.
GameplayWhore
Member
It helps that it's a term Nintendo has used. I think it might specifically refer to the actual screen and not the controller as a whole, though.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I didn't realize "the New Controller" was an actual term Nintendo was using at E3 2011 until I rewatched the video of Wii U stuff.
Agent Unknown
Member
Actually, as long as a dev makes the controls completely configurable, playing a vertical shmup like Ikaruga is totally doable on the Upad and a potentially great future option for the streaming feature and a player wouldn't have to use a stand/wiimote at all. As an example, I have Capcom Classics Remixed for PSP and I always play 1941 and Varth with my PSP flipped in full TATE screen mode with movement on the Dpad reversed and fire and bomb/special mapped to different positions on the analog nub. It just takes a little bit of getting used to and works extremely well.
Using the same method on the Upad, you'd be using the left analog slider for movement and Dpad for firing, ect. and as long the controller is as light as people say, just like my PSP TATE example, it would be easy to adjust to. Again though, it depends on the dev because I also have Twinbee Portable collection and for some stupid reason Konami chose to allow TATE controls on the dpad but kept the firing options locked to the face buttons which is very uncomfortable and ruins it as a viable option.
Forsaken82
Member
I am not saying Ports shouldn't be a focus of their business, but they shouldn't be relying on the controller to sell ports when the majority of them will likely do little that makes it become the definitive version. Would love to be proven wrong though.
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, it's a good name for what you describe here. The entire controller is called the Wii U Remote.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I just want devs to keep using the Wii remote + nunchuck.
What a disaster they had on their hands.
shadyspace
Banned
Motion + only pls.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I'm glad I don't care for pointer controls and all that, makes me happier about the new controller being the focal point of the wiiU.
Lol spelling, how does it work?
Edit: If Sony does this again I'll be waiting for a price drop. They can't afford to do bleeding edge again.
GameplayWhore
Member
Yep, and it amuses me when people say "Perhaps Nintendo should take another page from Apple's play book and just call it 'The New Controller'.".
GameplayWhore
Member
No thanks, I prefer aiming with IR.
(edit: this was a jokey post, but I do consider IR a more useful feature than the advantage that the gyros add to general orientation detection on the Wii Remote, and it was a bit weird to see Nintendo try to use the latter for pointing after Sony started doing so with the Move)
This. Making it even simpler, I hope they push pointer based game play to its zenith between interactions with the subscreen and Wii U's additional hardware power.
I'm not sure if this was brought up, but this is the exact same layout Nintendo had last year at E3. Their main booth had all the accessible demos, while the other one had sectioned off rooms for interviews/meetings/private demos.
We at Nintendo World Report got to linger there to interview a PR Manager. Not the most exciting interview...
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Yeah, I'm honestly surprised that video was shown looking back at it. I was following the Cafe rumors very closely, so I was in the know, but if I didn't really know too much about Project Cafe, I would have been so confused and I probably would have thought this was a new controller for Wii.
When some posters and me discussed RE4 Wii some pages ago, this instantly came to mind.
But Nintendo needs a big game which does this. Maybe a FPS in the same league as Halo.
I just hope that we will see that combo in the future.
Who knows? Maybe the Wiimote will see some strange use in the next Zelda game? Or maybe both Wiimote and subscreen?
I think they just need to include a Wii remote and nunchuck set in the box to make it clear it's one of two control schemes for the system. That way everyone has access to it so the excuse that not everyone has it (never mind the millions of remotes already out there) can be used. Doesn't mean it has to be used for every game if it doesn't make sense. No need for waggle. However it's clear that pointer controls for shooters work and work very well. There is no reason not to have the option unless developers don't want touch the pointer vs dual analog issue and that pointer control is more accurate and does away with needing aim assist. Maybe it will upset them.
"Shield (uPad) and Sword (Wiimote)" gameplay?
Would be clunky as hell :lol
But yeah, let's wait and see.
They didn't ignore the Wiimote, they ignored the Wii
GameplayWhore
Member
Hey, if "Resident Evil 4U" uses Wii Edition controls except that the briefcase puzzle game is always active on the New Controller and requires you to actually put down your gun physically to mess around with (and doesn't pause the game!), I will probably shamelessly buy it again for no real reason.
edit: also I sent you a message
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I don't like the Wii version of RE4. I think having pointer controls takes almost all the challenge and defeats the point. Even Professional is a damn joke.
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