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VGleaks: Orbis Unveiled! [Updated]
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You're forgetting motion controller and camera stuff.
PS3 uses a lot of custom-made parts that were initially expensive to make. The price to manufacture has likely come down to ~$150 now, but because of the Cell's complexity there's a limit to how cheap they can make it.
Orbis' GPU is supposed to be based on Pitcairn and was supposed to sit somewhere between 7850 and 7870 which the CU count shows. However, its texture unit is less than half, yes, less than half of Cape Verde GPU 7770 which has 40.
badcrumble
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PS1 classics are emulated, PS2 classics are ported (using some sort of simple wrapper, IIRC, so it's possible the ISO is still a part of it), HD Remasters are fully ported.
We know 1.84tflops can produce wonderful results in a console environment, but the underlying point here is that PC gamers should be set if they have capable hardware. No crazy upgrades needed this time it seems.
No matter how much "magical optimization" goes into the console version of a multiplat game, the PC should end up on top on reasonable 2012 hardware....
And yeah grief is right there are monsters on the way in the PC space...Nvidia hurry up !
Kinect is probably one of the strongest consumer devices MS has ever produced. It is the reason why the 360 has seen such strong sales even years after its launch. Now, you think MS is going to ignore that?
$350 is not some magic number. Kinect, however, provided a massive boost for the system even with lukewarm support since its a peripheral.
There is no way in hell that MS will launch a new system without Kinect packed in. To do that to hit some ideal pricepoint would be idiotic.
They have to make cost tradeoffs. GDDR5 is more expensive than plain DDR3, obviously they thought the higher bandwidth was worth the lower total capacity. Modern game engines on PC aren't even using 3.5GB (or lets say 3GB, since some would go to video RAM) while fully decked out, while 256mb on the PS3 was already pretty measly compared to the PC side of things when that launched.
I think it will be fine on RAM at least, it will do better there than the PS3 did at least.
Isn't that still bad though? I mean, if what you are saying is true, 680 is supposedly double that?
Betrayer of hope
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that's why i dont believe any of these reveals and insider information
I think the most interesting "new" part in this are the Extras, but there isn't really a lot of information there. However:
- Audio Processor (ACP)
Should take some signal processing load off the CPU, which is good considering its relative weakness at that task compared to Cell.
- Video encode and decode (VCE/UVD) units
Really interesting if we could get across-the-board support for low-latency streaming to Vita.
- Display ScanOut Engine (DCE)
I guess this time around the Sony console won't have a disadvantage in scaling.
- Zlib Decompression Hardware
Certainly interesting for loading and streaming.
- Audio Processor (ACP)
Should take some signal processing load off the CPU, which is good considering its relative weakness at that task compared to Cell.
- Video encode and decode (VCE/UVD) units
Really interesting if we could get across-the-board support for low-latency streaming to Vita.
- Display ScanOut Engine (DCE)
I guess this time around the Sony console won't have a disadvantage in scaling.
- Zlib Decompression Hardware
Certainly interesting for loading and streaming.
Backfoggen
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So the same specs that were leaked earlier. Dunno why people go crazy.
It's not going to be for much longer. They milking the crap out of that thing before the new hardware comes out.
EightBitNate
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Lol this shit again. You gonna get banned, boy.
Anyway, I'm really interested in this thing now, if the price is right.
Man that gif is depressing
So tech gaf is this good or bad? I'm not planning buying a 720, I love my 360 but MS is full of BS these days.
Could you reasonably say that, on paper, it's got a good 3-4x more oomph than the Wii U does with a more developer-friendly processor? That means nothing without having seen any games, but I'd guess that it be able to handle current top of the line PC games with all de effects. That's always good.
McHuj
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It's not. I made the same mistake, multiply by 4.
For one the PS3s are now sold for a profit I think, the PS4 would probably be sold at cost or at a small loss (not talking early PS3 levels of course). Now that the PS3 is cheap to make they want to milk some profits out of the hardware. Plus the PS3 still needs much of the same components, hard drives, blu ray drives etc as the PS4 would need. So I'd think they could do it in 150 dollars more.
I imagine it would be a minimal loss with plans to turn a profit much earlier than the PS3 started to.
I just don't see either console doing well above the 399 mark.
Stiflers Mom
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Same here.... Would love to see how it looks like...
Some stuff like the silly AVX compatibility that has no purpose outside of PC exclusive checkboxes reminds me of the way PPC in PS3 was "powerPC" compliant for no good reason...
Especially since some of it doesn't really make that much sense to hardwire (except for the fact the CPU is downgraded for the first time in history, so gotta compensate somewhat).
It's kind of sad consoles have fallen to this and the most interesting thing to look forward to is some hardwired compression units...Durante said:
Especially since some of it doesn't really make that much sense to hardwire (except for the fact the CPU is downgraded for the first time in history, so gotta compensate somewhat).
Well, believing 8>4GB is just as foolish as to think bandwidth can entirely counterbalance a lack of available memory.
Backfoggen
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Does this mean non-bad downloads & installs?
All of these are really nice features. The decompression hardware should help with loading of data into the smaller RAM pool.
The texture units thing is kind of fucked though. Isn't that only 6 more than the PS3 has? I can't believe we may not get AF next gen.
-Pyromaniac-
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no I mean it like this. If a console had 1.84 and a PC had 1.84. The console 1.84 will be capable of doing more. So you can't accurately judge the gap.
That was for "8 Render Backend" where each one comprises for 4 ROPs. Texture unit is separate.
well, when you're probably upscaling to 4k better have a dedicated scaler.
Uno Venova
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I believe posters here also saying 3GB/2.5 is looking more and more true.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Durango = 7 letters.
Orbis = 5 letters.
Durango > Orbis cause it has less letters.
Orbis > Durango cause it takes less time to type.
Dr.Palutena
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Ok then... I wonder how quickly your and many here's opinions would change when it comes with Move, a Camera, and multiple other things you dont want that ups the price or the people who will say that 500gb isn't enough or that they wish they had a SSD. I'm not particularly sure how multiple skus harms anyone, no one is forcing you to get the lower version or any version you dont want, nor will not having multiple skus make the version that comes out super special awesome with no compromises. If "it confuses consumers" that certainly isn't your problem , you're posting on a website where you will know the ins and outs of each sku a month before launch. Also, I'm sure no one would particularly like being forced to buy the greater version that includes stuff they dont want, like if Vita had just been the 3G version for 300 bucks. I guess one can make the argument that one doesn't need multiple skus at launch, and I guess I would agree to that.
shinobi602
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Phonomezer
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I wonder if MS will be going with the Hybrid Memory Cube architecture to combat GDDR5.
SeriousApes
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I'm not so tech savvy, so I don't understand these numbers. But I hope we start seeing leaks of what the console itself will look like. With all the rumors and tech specs coming out, it seems likely that we'll see something of Orbis and Durango at E3.
Pachterballs
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Big Papa Husker
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How about Yamcha?
Cornbread78
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I haven't seen this before, but it did make me LOL...
iamshadowlark
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Really wished they had more indepth Durango specs for comparison.
Logic says that the CUs would scale linearly as other AMD GPUs do. 6 Backends for about 24 ROPs.
Honestly everyone could have written such an article reading the rumor discussions on GAF and other websites. Nothing really new at all, so I wouldn't bet on it being credible.
The fact they're dodging on the type of RAM being used leaves us at the same exact point we were here.
Also it's not clear if the controller is an advanced DS controller or a move controller and I doubt that Sony will miss BDXL compatibility considering their 4k ambitions.
My impression is that they know something about Durango, but with Orbis they're pretending to know to get the hits but the source could be...us
LOL
The fact they're dodging on the type of RAM being used leaves us at the same exact point we were here.
Also it's not clear if the controller is an advanced DS controller or a move controller and I doubt that Sony will miss BDXL compatibility considering their 4k ambitions.
My impression is that they know something about Durango, but with Orbis they're pretending to know to get the hits but the source could be...us
LOLPertaining to ROPs I got verification because it was a separate term and iamashadowhawk provided source. But do you have proof for "Texture Unit" needing to be multiplied by 4 as well?
this makes sense. Doesn't the GCN normally split GPGPU and normal GPU duties up? So if you use GPGPU you lose half your CUs. By focusing like this, you can use 4CUs for GPGPU and still have 14 for graphics. With the normal architecture you'd be left with only 9CU if you need GPGPU functions.
OK, this makes a lot more sense.
I think I have an explanation for the '18 texture unit' thing. I think it's just another semantics issue about how things are referred to in different contexts.
In some AMD documentation, they talk about each CU having one texture unit e.g. in here: http://www.siliconwolves.net/frames...allel_Processing_OpenCL_Programming_Guide.pdf
The texture unit has 4 texture filter units (what we refer to as 'texture units' or tmus) and 16 texture load/store units.
So, like the render backend/ROPs thing, I think it's talking about 18 'texture units' in this sense - the group of 4 texture filter units in each GCN CU.
In some AMD documentation, they talk about each CU having one texture unit e.g. in here: http://www.siliconwolves.net/frames...allel_Processing_OpenCL_Programming_Guide.pdf
The texture unit has 4 texture filter units (what we refer to as 'texture units' or tmus) and 16 texture load/store units.
So, like the render backend/ROPs thing, I think it's talking about 18 'texture units' in this sense - the group of 4 texture filter units in each GCN CU.
No, R700 was the last time AMD used this configuration of letters and numbers for ther graphic card lines few years ago. R10xx would be Radeon 7000 line.
shinobi602
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Lol, likely?
GAF has been pretty much unanimous that they will have full out unveil this E3.
I was thinking this must be the case as well. Doesn't make sense that Sony would gimp the textures when they've put so much effort into making sure everything else is up to snuff.