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Yu Suzuki: I expect individual backers to provide the majority of funds for Shenmue
- Thread starter ShogunDarius
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So much for Sony cashing in on Kickstarter, smh.
The Kickstarter dictates the scope of the game and is not just a way to gauge consumer interest. Could they have been more clearer? Sure. But the ongoing campaign against Shenmue 3 with no real evidence did enough to damage the KS already.
The Kickstarter dictates the scope of the game and is not just a way to gauge consumer interest. Could they have been more clearer? Sure. But the ongoing campaign against Shenmue 3 with no real evidence did enough to damage the KS already.
YianGaruga
Banned
Where did he say that? Because it's not in the answers you quoted.
This, and I didn't see within his answers anywhere?
ShogunDarius
Member
accidentily missed it when I posted, its there now, it's a translation from a Japanese article, theres one more post i want to quote but have to go find it. Got it, I closed the tab I had it open with so sorry for the delay
Bl@de
Member
Well it's a challenge but there is no other way than to turn it around and help them to make the game they want. But it's really great how salty and sarcastic people ruin things with stupid comments. Thanks salty-GAF.
EDIT: There is a AMA with Yu Suzuki on reddit where he answers questions and an article in Famitsu.
Nightengale
Member
Boyes, if you're reading this, you probably need to have a meeting with Suzuki & Ys Net to figure out how to push this message out there, urgently.
Or at least figure out some post-KS funding method ala Star Citizen that can sustain it over the development period.
Or at least figure out some post-KS funding method ala Star Citizen that can sustain it over the development period.
I love how people were saying Sony forced him to do KS. Turns out, it's what he proposed and wanted.
Edit:
Actually I shouldn't assume how the KS idea was decided on, as I'm not 100% on these translations. But I wish there hadn't been such a negative campaign against it, if Sony wasn't using KS to gauge interest, while funding the rest -- like some fervently argued.
Edit:
Actually I shouldn't assume how the KS idea was decided on, as I'm not 100% on these translations. But I wish there hadn't been such a negative campaign against it, if Sony wasn't using KS to gauge interest, while funding the rest -- like some fervently argued.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Seems a small budget for a game like this these days. Unless it plays and looks exactly like the previous games. Which wouldn't be a bad thing I guess.
Not only that but also that people claimed Sony was behind this and using a 'sleezy, shady' Kickstarter to gauge consumer interest when in reality it is the major resource for the project.
Having an issue with KS transparency is one thing, but then automatically claiming that the best fitting narrative ("Big company trying to rob fans, yo") is the truth is just plain dumb.
At least we'll get the "lite" version as things are going.
It won't be exactly like the previous games since they want to expand/modernize/reimagine quite a few things.
It won't be exactly like the previous games since they want to expand/modernize/reimagine quite a few things.
Nightengale
Member
The negative campaign against it completely puts me in a downer state. It's hard to fathom. I can't even empathize. Why?
DidntKnowJack
Member
It is kind of
Yep. A lot of people made it a crusade to go after Sony. One poster kept arguing Sony was scummy, unethical, all while the rest of us thought they were saviors of the game industry or something. I get people having criticisms of how KS is used, but this was certainly an example of how acting on a lack of info, can do damage.
I'm not going to blame it not reaching $10 million on the backlash. I think that's a really high figure, and I'm honestly surprised Sony isn't helping out more. But it certainly didn't help. Oh well.
Not to take, like, a complete shit on the game design of Shenmue I and II, but I think what fans want is indeed in the style of those games, which, while open-ended and expansive, is probably much easier to do today than in those days -- even at a level of visual quality that is consistent with expectations of, if not AAA games, at least AA.
When you watch the post-mortem, you see just how much they had to do in terms of technology which are solved problems today in a major way. UE4 is cheap-to-free depending on the model, and has a lot of tools that even indys use to upend their lack of resources somewhat.
I guess what I would say is, if expectations for what Shenmue 3 should be haven't drastically inflated over the years, somewhere inbetween 10 and 20 million is probably more than enough to get the game where most fans would want it to be.
6 million? I don't know. Depends on a lot of stuff we aren't privy too (how much external funding is really coming). Might still be doable to approximate what is needed. But I think if we don't manage to meet the higher expectation, I fear we could end up in the same place 10 years later, wondering if Shenmue 4 will ever be reality.
And game legends don't live forever.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Not gonna lie. I’m going to be a little sad if this doesn’t reach $10 million.
WE NEED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!
WE NEED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!
Sapphire Dreams
Member
I am getting the feeling that it won't be the game the fans wanted. But maybe it's better than no game.
boredandlazy
Member
Wonder if Polygon will write an article about this new information?
Not. Fucking. Likely.
Scum.
Not. Fucking. Likely.
Scum.
bloodstained had a very active community around it that was supported by the kickstarter staff of the game and the achievements.
shenmue iii already reached its funding goal. if yu suzuki had secretly hoped they would get $8 million to make what he had in mind, he should have set the goal higher.
Breh I think this is pretty unrealistic in the current state of the campaign. I can see 5 million happen at best, anything above that would surprise me.
I'm still happy to get anything.
$10 million is insanity dude. that's asking for about 125,000 supporters when shenmue ii on xbox only sold 100,000 units.
Witcher 3 cost around 32$ millions to produce, time to move the studio to Poland.
Shenmue 3 doesn't even need to be 1/4 of that.
Industrialist
Member
Individual backers like Sony.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Get it out to Gametrailers, I know a certain someone would yell from the mountain tops.
Those people actively campaigning against Shenmue 3 should be ashamed of their words and deeds.
Those people actively campaigning against Shenmue 3 should be ashamed of their words and deeds.
Callibretto
Member
So if they didn't reach 10mil, are people gonna blame sony now for not giving more fund?
Sapphire Dreams
Member
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
they are providing less than the $2 million kickstarter goal
PandaPandaPanda
Member
considering some people thought Sony was going to be holding games "hostage" with kickstarter, probably
airmangataosenai
Member
I think it will still end up being the biggest performing Kickstarter for a game surpassing Bloodstained, but 10 million looks like a pipe dream at this point. I had a feeling from the beginning that was the real goal. 8 million for all the areas mentioned in the trailer and 10 million as the upper goal. 6 million is probably where it will end up assuming their endgame is strong for fundraising.
Permanently A
Junior Member
Hmm...
They are. But as stated in OP, Yu expects majority of funds to come from individual backers.
They are, in theory, but I think it is said that backers are the "primary" source of funding. You can read that multiple ways, sadly -- could just be a first line of defense kind of thing, or you could read further to it meaning a majority of funding.
SerTapTap
Member
I thought Sony said they were providing financial support and then Sega said something to that effect. I can't imagine either would get out of bed for less than $2m on a project like this so this seems weird.
I'm happy it's happening however it happens but I'm just confused now.
I'm happy it's happening however it happens but I'm just confused now.
Pretty much.
They and others on GAF definitely hurt the campaign by spewing uninformed nonsense about this KS being some sort of interest gauge or scam because it's an easy narrative to paint out for controversy and/or clicks.
rockman zx
Member
If Sony is not commited to anything at all or some kind of exclusivity, there is always the chance a publisher will come late in the development cicle, like Deep Silver did with Mighty No. 9.