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DF: Final Fantasy 12 Zodiac Age PS4/PS4 Pro vs PS2/Emulation Graphics Comparison
- Thread starter LordOfLore
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RayCharlizard
Member
Oooh baby. Let's dive in.
Dougieflesh
Member
Pro support sounds lacking unfortunately.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Really a shame that this doesn't take advantage of the Pro.
Depth of Field probably.
RayCharlizard
Member
The whole image? There's some depth of field effects added and the character info UI doesn't use razor sharp edges but the rest of the presentation looks super sharp here.
sixteen-bit
Member
Always love seeing multi-gen comparisons
Mr Moose
Member
To hide the flaws in the assets (low res textures with lot of tiling,low poly count) and make the image look more "natural" like most modern game do
BigEmil
Junior Member
Virtuous studios ruined FF10's faces and facial animations plus the new art isn't much similar to original art, good to see they didn't do the same with FF12's maybe experience plus maybe Square Enix gave some input this time too, decent overall, shame alot of environment textures not really remastered much, and i hate DOF effect so much
Also no wonder KH 1.5+2.5 is 1080p 60fps on PS4 while this one is 30fps since KH Remix was done in-house while FF12 outsourced to Virtuous studios to remaster while Square only handing the OST remastering stuff maybe other stuff too
Also no wonder KH 1.5+2.5 is 1080p 60fps on PS4 while this one is 30fps since KH Remix was done in-house while FF12 outsourced to Virtuous studios to remaster while Square only handing the OST remastering stuff maybe other stuff too
wow you babbled a lot with pure conjecture.
... You don't really understand how that works, do you?
Whompa02
Member
I'd say a solid 95% of us on GAF do not...but that's what keeps the videogame community alive, right? Endless entitled nit-picky complaining! Yeay!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They would need to remake the game and engine which wouldn't be possible in this 'remaster'.
Also .. great vid and article. As bad as SE's new-game production has been this gen so far, at least their remastering efforts have been on-point.
edit: minus their continuous omission for 1080p TV users in terms of down sampling. I have a 4K TV so ... sorrynotsorry in my case
Unless you are about to explain to me how it is literally impossible to invest the engineering resources to fix this, then the the details are unimportant for my complaint. This is a remaster. Do the remastering.
You could say "it's too expensive to fix" but I doubt you have access to the numbers behind that decision either.
Did they mention that downsampling is disabled once again on 1080p screens? (I watched the video but I guess I wasn't very focused...)
Please, Digital Foundry, it would be great if at least you would address this issue each and every time, when it arises in a game, to spread awareness and maybe at some point Sony will work on the issue.
Please, Digital Foundry, it would be great if at least you would address this issue each and every time, when it arises in a game, to spread awareness and maybe at some point Sony will work on the issue.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
I didn't know this has PRO support. Which kind of support it has?
It's difference between a remake and a remaster. You'd basically need all new code to make it work the way you're talking about - piecemealing it could easily break everything.
Crash bandicoot, being a remake, is a legitimate target of the 60 fps bandwagon.
If only there were an article you could read that explained it.
Some games like Tales of Symphonia and FFX HD were never playable at 60fps despite fans trying for ages.. I think for a remaster it's probably just more effort than it's worth for the publisher
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Resolution Increase to 1440p.
I accept that this is a possibility, but not an inevitability. As a small-scale example, Little King's Story was locked at 30 because the engine assumed that refresh rate. Durante was hired to go in and fix it. One guy. He managed to get all but the boss fights running at 60. This does not automatically mean you could do this with FF12. But it's an example that shows that you don't always need to rewrite the entire game. You may however need to hire someone focused on just performance.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
I read the highlighted part in OP but I couldn't understand what was exactly added on PS4 PRO.
Edit: It seems PS4 PRO is 1440p. Why not Native 4K? It is not even 60 FPS. Even DigitalFoundry were surprised.
KainXVIII
Member
Wow, really?
chandoog said in the Pro enhancements thread that this likely doesn't have downsampling, but would have liked proper DF confirmation.
@dark10x can you make that a fixture for every Pro article/video where the game renders higher than 1080p?
Also looking forward to DF's article on Pro's downsampling woes.
@dark10x can you make that a fixture for every Pro article/video where the game renders higher than 1080p?
Also looking forward to DF's article on Pro's downsampling woes.
SuperDowns
Banned
Blocked. Can you summarize? You specifically.
Spiritwalker
Member
It's a great remaster overall, but when playing earlier today I was bothered by some of the texture work in cities and dungeons. It looks almost like they've applied a photoshop filter to everything and it just doesn't click with me. Outdoor areas look much better though, as do characters.
BigEmil
Junior Member
I don't understand
Tales of Symphonia has a 60fps mod done by a random guy just a few weeks after release, don't know about FFX on PC i think that one is still locked to 30fps no one found a way to get it to 60fps afaik
RayCharlizard
Member
There's depth of field in the PS2 version, and a lesser implementation at that.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Following WipEout Omega Collection this is a pretty underwhelming remaster, both technically and artistically. Well, they did a very nice job remaking a lot of UI art, especially important for an RPG but environments and characters should've seen more, while staying true to the original art and not making the same mistakes as FFX/X-2.
The automated filtering, similar to Ōkami HD's super-resolution filtering, doesn't work well with a lot of shape patterns, especially with more realistic, detailed but often lower-res source material. Things you'll be staring at for hours like running Vaan's pointy angular feet should've been picked up and the geometry smoothed.
The automated filtering, similar to Ōkami HD's super-resolution filtering, doesn't work well with a lot of shape patterns, especially with more realistic, detailed but often lower-res source material. Things you'll be staring at for hours like running Vaan's pointy angular feet
should've been picked up and the geometry smoothed.Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Funny you say that at the same time you're deriding posters for pointing out why this isn't 60 fps...
YuriLowell
Member
PS4 Pro is an afterthought for Sony.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
Engine limitation. In other words going to 60fps would break the game, it's likely that numerous aspects of the game are tied to the frame rate and would run too fast with a higher FPS.
As you said it's a remaster. Well that's why its literally impossible to invest the resources, they were budgeted for a remaster not to rebuild the entire game from scratch.
Did I fail to acknowledge the engine issue in my original complaint? What did I leave out from the article?
LordOfLore
Banned
Yes.
RayCharlizard
Member
TIL Sony develops the Final Fantasy series.
Thank goodness. That's the real game changer for me.
YuriLowell
Member
I never said that. Sony clearly has no mandates in terms of PS4 Pro support for each title.
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