Mr Moose
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Game needs to be at least 1080p on the Pro (and it is).
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DF: Final Fantasy 12 Zodiac Age PS4/PS4 Pro vs PS2/Emulation Graphics Comparison
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Game needs to be at least 1080p on the Pro (and it is).
Very nice to see DF's version of this comparison. Been watching some lesser ones on youtube and their presentation is just really bad. Appreciate the very nicely lined up PS2 to PS4 footage and spot on transitions. The remaster itself looks fantastic. Love the new lighting and texture upgrades.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
With it being a PS2 remaster, maybe they just thought it wasn't worth the extra effort for 4k and 1440p was good enough.
I'm cool with this to be honest, I don't need everything in 4k. I'm just happy this great game is getting remastered.
I'm cool with this to be honest, I don't need everything in 4k. I'm just happy this great game is getting remastered.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Sure you acknowledged it, but you basically pushed it aside like it was no big deal and they were just being lazy and/or cheap.
The point being is that this is more than likely not something that can be fixed without remaking the entire engine, i.e. no longer a remaster.
RayCharlizard
Member
The "mandate" as far as I'm aware is that the game needs to perform at least as well as it does on a standard PS4. Same frame rate at a higher resolution = better. It'd be a pain in the ass and probably a detriment to most developers if they flat out said you have to aim for X resolution, then you get games with lower quality effects just to put 4K on the box.
YuriLowell
Member
Has Sony come out and said this?
RayCharlizard
Member
This is probably what I'm looking forward to the most, aside from getting to hear all of the music again. The visual improvements are just a cherry on top.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Unless this is an emulation glitch, Virtuos appear to have fixed some UV/alignment issues.
Not only the ground 'scales' but also the removed mini-stripes under the crystal lamps.
edit: key word: some. The corner pillars on the far side and high up atop the nearside ones still have the mini squished stripes.
Not only the ground 'scales' but also the removed mini-stripes under the crystal lamps.
edit: key word: some. The corner pillars on the far side and high up atop the nearside ones still have the mini squished stripes.
See here: http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=243075549
Basically, if you haven't looked at the code, you can't dismiss out of hand my objection. It's fine to say I could be wholly wrong. I agree, I could be wrong. But treating my complaint as uninformed goes both ways.
Mr Moose
Member
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...ion-4k-neo-and-the-original-ps4-will-co-exist
Not sure if anything changed, but since most games on OG PS4 are 1080p anyway, I could see it being the minimum res for Pro.
The Praiseworthy
Member
I love the new lighting and UI.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
It's a great improvement but I can't get past how blurry everything looks compared to the emulator.
SE have been rather heavy handed with DoF on a number of games IMO. XV had it dialed up too much, especially in early builds. Type-O was way overdone with it. I dunno, just seems to be a bit of a pattern with them even though this wasn't in house.
DoF is one of those few things I really wish we had graphics options for since it impacts practically the entire image.
phant0m
Member
Is your name Mick Jagger?
But, your complaint is uninformed because you haven't seen the code, either -- I mean, the person initiating the complaint should have the proof first. We've been told it's an engine issue. We've had many developers in threads here explain to us how engine issues can limit remasters. So, it's really on you to show us evidence that it's not an engine limitation.
The thing that bothers me is the downsampling issue. If it's 4k on the Pro, Pro users with 1080p sets should get the benefits.
They're charging 50$ for a remaster. Unlike others, I don't think given that price, this expectation is outlandish.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Sure I can, namely because you are calling them out as lazy, cheap, etc. when you have no concept of the code either. People have been trying to get 60 fps out of FFXII on PC for years and it has seemingly caused issues every time. Do you really think Virtuous Games' just said F it?
Hell its $39.99 atm with Amazon Prime and if history shows us anything the price on this will drop like a rock.
I just gave you an example of an engine limitation being fixed. "Engine limitation" is not the same thing as "unfixable, save for complete rewrite."
Anyhow, there's little else to say about it unless an engineer from the project speaks up or they give a post-mortem.
That was Zestiria. Unless I missed it I don't think anyone ever got Symphonia working above 40fps
I remember someone posting this attempt https://youtu.be/4QPBSeIvJt8 lol
Looking forward to seeing what options it will have.
Never said lazy. And only complained that the money wasn't invested to fix it. And it would be square, not virtuous, who holds the purse strings.
Also, modders trying to hack shit in do not have access to source. "People can't hack this game to run at 60" is evidence, but it's hardly damning.
jimmypython
Member
PS2 version looks more saturated, e.g. the desert looks more yellow.
pretty done
Member
I had high hopes after Kingdom Hearts but it's looking like this is not so good. Might as well just stick with PCSX2 if it's going to look worse on the PS4 Pro.
No reason it can't be 4K since 30fps, but i guess "budget reasons" (even though they're charging $50 for it LOL)
No reason it can't be 4K since 30fps, but i guess "budget reasons" (even though they're charging $50 for it LOL)
Not everyone has Prime. Nor is the price drop a given. It matters what the MSRP is because they're saying that they did $50 worth of work to an existing game. A brand new game with all new engine and assets may sell for $60.
This isn't about the price one actually pays, but rather what they think this remaster is worth.
And yet, the recommended framerate for LKS is still 30 fps since 60 fps introduces even more glitches to the port. For a PC release, having an experimental option is fine, but this doesn't fly on consoles.
For the bolded, just compare it to FFX. In FFX's case, modders considered it too much work (since it had to be done scene by scene) and any attempt for a 60 fps mod has been abandoned.
petethepanda
Member
Not a big fan of depth of field like that during gameplay, but overall this looks pretty good. Excited to play.
badcrumble
Member
Balance tweaks matter more than framerate tweaks to me anyway. I'm sure this game would look lovely at 60fps and I think tying game logic to the displayed framerate is bugfuck crazy, but since the deed is already done I'm fine with sticking with the game as-is because polish is what matters most.
ThisIsMyDogKyle
Banned
got me thinking, other than 15 is 12 the only one not currently available on PC? other than emulators of course.
Yup.
These are all good points. The only thing I would note is that Durante is one guy, hired to spend some time on a single issue. In principle, things could get less experimental with more engineering time. Not perfect, but better.
I would also say that with the addition of early access games to consoles and "boost mode" on PS4 (which acknowledges potential issues) consoles are becoming safer for more experimental features.
bloodforge
Member
I'm a bit bummed at the 1440p on Pro but it'll still look pretty great. Hope it gets a full 4K patch eventually if they can.
Liabe Brave
Member
The Pro rendering resolution and lack of downsampling were reported by me on 7/5. While I almost always caveat my conclusions, that's often out of cautiousness rather than deep doubt about the results. Confirmation from multiple sources is good, but Digital Foundry are not always thorough. They sometimes miss observations that GAF members point out, including some DF later verify. Even this article omits the (admittedly very minor) note that Zodiac Age's menus run at 60fps.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's a great improvement but I can't get past how blurry everything looks compared to the emulator.
This is a deliberate effect in the desert areas to simulate heat haze. The video shows a lot of other locations without any blur like that.
Sorry I get you two mixed up as I always see you both in that thread >.<
I can see and understand why others don't like it but I like the effect imho.It's a great improvement but I can't get past how blurry everything looks compared to the emulator.
Not a fan of that bloom.
From the mainline games, 1 and 2 are missing as well.
From the mainline games, 1 and 2 are missing as well.
ss_lemonade
Member
Is widescreen here the same as the zoomed/cropped widescreen of the PS2 version? I could be remembering this wrong, but wasn't that how 16:9 support was on the PS2 version of FF12?
Patrick S.
Banned
Off topic question here, I'm not getting this yet, I want to play the FFX HD Remaster first, which I had bought for the PS3 before. Is there a good reason to rebuy FFX on PS4 or PC and play it there, or is the PS3 version fine?
The game logic is tied to the framerate, the game would explode.
Hence why FFX/X-2 is still 30fps, even on PC. Modders can't work it out a year later.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-final-fantasy-x-x2-hd-remaster-ps4-face-off
Aside from improved graphics, the PS4 and PC versions let you switch between the new soundtrack and the PS2 original. Probably not a big deal if you don't have nostalgia for the PS2 version
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