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343 has pretty much ruined Halo CE multiplayer with the latest patch
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Higgins113
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Wow gamers are really entitled these days, 343 will fix it, Frankie said they would as soon as you preorder Halo 5
CambriaRising
Member
Almost got me. Lol
Yes, but pre-patch the bullet magnetism was also far too high.
I'm not really defending 343 (or whoever actually made this patch) by the way, I think it's ridiculous that they managed to break another random thing in the game again. However I don't think the change is necessarily that bad. I could get used to having a skill gap this high.
The gif is completely different to my experience though. I played a game on HeH the other day and still managed to pull off a few cross map 3 shots and hitting people up close (like in the gif) was still really easy. You've just got to get used to ignoring the red reticule and aim where you actually should be aiming. You need to have perfect precision and I think it's kinda fun.
ProvenDeadly
Member
Sorry but this is just all incorrect. The Pistol is broken as hell, just because you think making the pistol a clunky POS adds skill doesn't mean anything.
Foolishfellow
Banned
If you think that the Halo 5 beta "worked." You honestly have super low expectations, or grew up with gaming in the last 5 years when it has apparently become the norm for games to be broken. I'm not trying to be an ass, and I played the beta a lot and mostly enjoyed it... but I think we should stop expecting the bare minimum from these recent Halo titles. The Halo titles used to be incredibly polished experiences (especially the multiplayer), I'd love for the franchise to return to that.
We are seemingly ranking a series of sub par products and over inflating the quality of whatever happens to be the most recent addition to the franchise simply because we've gotten nothing but substandard games out of this franchise for the past 5 or so years.
These are the main technical issues that I can remember off of the top of my head. Many of them were strikingly similar to some of the issues in Halo: MCC:
-Long matchmaking wait times (especially in subsequent matches), which basically meant that people were backing out after every match because the match making service was better at finding initial matches than subsequent matches.
-Something was obviously not functioning correctly with the matchmaking service as it frequently found 8/8 players and then within seconds dropped to 7/8 and took a very long time to find the additional player. I don't think this was because players were actually dropping, but an actual issue with the matchmaking service itself.
-Difficulty inviting friends and maintaining fireteams.
-Having to do hard resets (unplugging power) of Xbox One console in order to invite/join fireteams.
-Problems with in game chat and across Xbox One OS (party chat).
-Getting stuck on broken post-match pages with no option to return to matchmaking searches or main menu which basically meant that you had to go to to the dashboard and quit the Halo 5 Beta application and restart it.
You don't even have to aim in Destiny, literally anything remotely close to the head and you pull off instant head shots.
I am not talking about aim assist. The actual shooting mechanics - sound, visual stimuli and feel of impact - are all top-notch. Shooting is simply fun in Destiny.
Hahahaha, I haven't played a Halo since high school, and even I know those were all headshots.But we want to know when it's being fixed. Breaking things and then promising to fix them later is not acceptable game development.
Here's a gif of what we're talking about
Patch team dun goofed.
What exact part was incorrect?
Also it's not clunky, you just need perfect aim now; The game no longer bends bullets to help you.
Anyway I don't think they should keep it like this, it's far too difficult for most players. I just think the change is interesting.
Foolishfellow
Banned
Again, the biggest problem is that they ported the PC version of CE. Nobody wanted Halo PC because not very many people liked Halo CE in the first place.
The foundations of this game are just horribly shitty. You will never have a "fixed" version of MCC unless they recall the current game and start over from square one.
BeamImpact
Member
343i please dont patch the bullet magnetism back to its former strength, it was far to strong before
to achieve a state of OG CE like competitiveness the bullet magnetism should be around 30-50% of what it was before, but definitely not more!
to achieve a state of OG CE like competitiveness the bullet magnetism should be around 30-50% of what it was before, but definitely not more!
Yes. Agreed 100%.
Foolishfellow
Banned
From the look of the .gifs it looks like the person shooting had perfect aim or is there something that I'm missing?
ProvenDeadly
Member
It's random and horrible.
Foolishfellow
Banned
I agree with this. None of this would be a problem if they used the console version as the basis for the port. All of this was perfect in the console version.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Aim assist is a huge part of the shooting mechanics.
But that's not what this thread is about, so lets just move on.
BeamImpact
Member
since theres no more bullet lag the guy in the video was just unlucky with the bullet spread
watch the gif in slow-mo and youll see the bullet spread literally paints a silouette around the opponents head
aim was for the most part spot on, if there wasnt any bullet spread pretty much all shots would have been a hit
Japanmanx3
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That's insane...But we want to know when it's being fixed. Breaking things and then promising to fix them later is not acceptable game development.
Here's a gif of what we're talking about
You basically have to watch it frame by frame to see (even then it's hard to see due to the low framerate gif) however for the majority of those shots the center of the reticule was in the wrong position. With no magnetism the red reticule is extremely misleading; with the current system you need to aim perfectly and perfectly account for travel time. Which is obviously far too difficult on a controller for your average player.
I just think it's quite interesting to play like this.
Lol, sure.
Eh, I dunno about that. There was maybe one or 2 shots where the spread could have been the cause however the majority looked off to me...
hydragonwarrior
Member
Precursor of things to come?
50% chance of bullet magnetism - standard
75% chance of bullet magetism - microtransaction upgrade
50% chance of bullet magnetism - standard
75% chance of bullet magetism - microtransaction upgrade
No, it is broken. It is not playing like Halo on Xbox which is what people want. He was in the center for at least 4 or 5 of those shots which missed. This is not a good thing. I was decent at Halo 1. My team took 11th at MLG Dallas and top 16 at AGP Chicago. I know what Halo should feel like and this isnt it.
I'm not saying it isn't broken and I'm certainly not saying this is what it used to be like. Almost every post I've said they need to change it back. I just found it kinda interesting to play with this setting. Mostly because I was destroying everyone and it was fucking great.
RSB
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How many times have they broken Halo CE already? They release a patch to fix something only to break it again (or introduce new bugs) with the next... The development of the MCC must have been (and still is) a nightmare.
Yep, aside for those awful accuracy penalties for everything, the obnoxious iron-sights in many weapons, the movement speed reduction when zooming, and the excessive aim-assist, the shooting mechanics in Destiny are truly great.
/s
Nemesis121
Member
From that gif it's Halo PC, i see nothing wrong here, learn to predict shots..look at this way you get to learn the game all over again...
Get fookin gud kidBut we want to know when it's being fixed. Breaking things and then promising to fix them later is not acceptable game development.
Here's a gif of what we're talking about
But we want to know when it's being fixed. Breaking things and then promising to fix them later is not acceptable game development.
Here's a gif of what we're talking about
Who the fuck is making these patches?
As I posted before, the console version is completely unusable for online play, unless you want to have input latency and a limit of 4 unique Xboxes in any gameplay session.
Extra Sauce
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The Xbox version had absolutely no online netcode for it though while the PC version did. I can honestly understand why they went with Halo PC instead of CE for that reason alone. Halo 2 being the PC version, however, is completely inexcusable though since that game was online-ready on Day 1.
They took the easier way out. This was always going to be a complicated project and they tried to cut corners.
To be honest, Halo 2 PC is basically Halo 2 Xbox slightly modified to accomodate a range of PC video cards.
Also somewhat nerdy info, Halo 2 is the only mainline Halo (until Halo 5 releases) to never have a native PowerPC version. All three versions of Halo 2 are X86 only.
I didn't want it for campaign though. I don' still boot up Halo with my friends on a yearly basis to play campaign together.
Not really. For much of the clip there's almost no lateral motion that would require significant leading; the person spends a lot of time moving away from and toward the shooter.
No you don't. Halo 1 has bloom, but it's not dependent on rate of fire, it's dependent on trigger depression. If you feather the shots and release the trigger in between, you're only going to be dealing with the base spread, even at the maximum firing rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL7YI4jgcYs
Halo 1's campaign? The port is atrocious.
BeamImpact
Member
the amount of bullet magnetism we had before this patch isnt the solution though too, every average joe was able to do a 3sk
we need something inbetween, i hope 343i realizes that
also the sniper now finally works as intended in this patch, the only truly working OG like gun in this game
There is like 1000 people playing the game. You better hope the average Joe would be attracted to it. Population needs to be maintained for proper MM. And that population needs to consist of varying skill levels - that's how competitive games thrive.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
But we want to know when it's being fixed. Breaking things and then promising to fix them later is not acceptable game development.
Here's a gif of what we're talking about
everything is a lie
If that. My brother and I get matched against the same team over and over pretty frequently.
Halo PC had magnetism as well, it was effectively necessary because of the lack of lag compensation in Internet games. You don't know what you're talking about.
Anyone suggesting this change has raised a skill ceiling, gap, bar, or whatever other empty phrase, is wrong. It is not possible to consistently land shots on moving players, especially headshots. While I agree that magnetism was too high prior to the patch, those who suggest that CE is "more skillful" with zero magnetism couldn't be more wrong... landing a shot with the pistol is now a game of chance and that's in complete contrast with what a game of skill would be like.
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Xbox CE is significantly less competitive than HPC. HPC has separate compounding timers on all item respawns, and even in the best case scenario one wouldn't be able to track the exact time when an item will respawn without memorizing a table. On Xbox, most spawns are on fixed two minute timers. In practice, this results in a situation in which anyone who wants to win is using an external means to time and one is at a direct disadvantage if they don't do it too. This is not a metagame, this has nothing to do with skill or talent, it's something one is effectively forced to do because the Xbox respawn system is too simple for it's own good. And not to be flippant, because I don't want to go off on a tangent for too long even though I am completely serious, Xbox CE guys are familiar with the vanilla Classic Slayer Pro preset, which has rockets on slayer maps. That's a joke, there is nothing competitive about the rocket launcher. Heavy weapons belong in CTF games on CTF maps.
You have this all backwards. It is the most competitive system because every team is on equal footing and knows exactly when the powerups are coming back (though I am all for a clock just being on the screen so everyone has it). In later games, when the respawn was based on when the empty rocket launcher was dropped or when the power up was picked up, it gave one team a huge advantage since only they knew when the item was coming back. This removed one of the best elements from Halo CE - the every minute or two fight for the power ups. It forced out campers, it concentrated fighting, and it added a strategic element of "do I try to go for the power up right away, or do I try to kill them on their way to the power up." It was a much much better system than one team knows when the OS is coming back, so they get it every single time for the rest of the game.
Destiny has a good system too with the all play announcement of when heavy weapons are coming and the fight for them.
Diablohead
Member
I used to have thoughts of playing halo 1 online like the old pc days, hours of fun in big team and ctf.
Sadly as well as flaws appearing in these xbox one ports you can't dedicate yourself to playing a game of choice without making a custom room, the hoppers blend in all the halo games together so if you want to play halo 1 BTB you have to luck out in voting... or be stuck playing halo 3-4 BTB because others always vote for it.
The entire online structure of the MCC is a jumbled mess.
The CE pistol when fired at that speed sprays, watch as the shots miss and hit the walls behind clearly. *edit* halo's way of adding bloom to shots is not how many bullets you fire but how long you hold the trigger down, pumping a CE pistol is always accurate.
The issue right now is that the crosshair is going red but the bullets are not curving, pretty much like they have a smaller hit box.
Sadly as well as flaws appearing in these xbox one ports you can't dedicate yourself to playing a game of choice without making a custom room, the hoppers blend in all the halo games together so if you want to play halo 1 BTB you have to luck out in voting... or be stuck playing halo 3-4 BTB because others always vote for it.
The entire online structure of the MCC is a jumbled mess.
The CE pistol when fired at that speed sprays, watch as the shots miss and hit the walls behind clearly. *edit* halo's way of adding bloom to shots is not how many bullets you fire but how long you hold the trigger down, pumping a CE pistol is always accurate.
The issue right now is that the crosshair is going red but the bullets are not curving, pretty much like they have a smaller hit box.
God, I forgot about KSI. I loved wrecking them on Halo 2.
A properly working version of CE with online would have me seriously considering getting an Xbox One. Microsoft goofed big time by messing up the MCC.
In hindsight, I really wish they would have forgone the whole attempt to integrate the 4 games and just basically keep each game separate. The only universal menu is to pick the game to load, and then it loads to the classic menu for that game. Then have separate multiplayer hoppers dedicated for each game and don't bother trying to create mixed game playlists. It might have helped keep things a bit more stable. Plus, it would give me the option to play only Halo 2 Big Team - which is what i wanted the whole time.
ForsakenLotus
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My understanding is that bullet magnetism was implemented in many/most console shooters because analog sticks aren't as precise as mice/keyboard, and it also makes it more enjoyable/accessible. Why would they take it out?
Diablohead
Member
I missed your reply earlier but yes you are right and I know that and could have explained it better at the time.
But that gif, after the first few shots the others were spreading and you can see the splash graphics, it sucks that the current magantism in halo 1 is poop but half of those shots were bound to miss anyway.
Altered Juice
Member
so they can't touch one thing without breaking another?
Idempotent Button
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I haven't played it since I noticed how badly they screwed up the checkpoint system in Halo 2 campaign. Now I have even more reason to avoid going back.
Diablohead
Member
ODST is a legit port over if you like that game and have it available.
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