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[mclem]

it's worth posting about but it doesn't really matter whether the victim does so personally. i've seen it happen on gaf plenty, the victim is always blamed by someone.

It's less to avoid situations of victim-blaming - you're right, certain people will seek anything to latch onto in that regard - and more to downplay the perception of being an attention-seeker.

"This bad thing happened" is about the bad thing. "This bad thing happened to me" is viewed differently.

 

[meltingparappa]

Yes, that's a great example of how progressive and understanding /v/ is.

Especially the part where they use the word faggot.

There was a 50/50 chance there'd be an n-bomb in there too.

Ugly and endemic of anonymous internet culture as it is, it's not the straw man most people are making it out to be. It's too convenient to just attribute it onto 4chan instead of the specific shit site with the shit people who did it for a shit reason.

 

[Red Mage]

Yes, that's a great example of how progressive and understanding /v/ is.

Especially the part where they use the word faggot.

Don't forget how they say she's only complaining to piggyback on the MN9 debacle.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

I don't really understand why it matters where this shit came from. I also didn't know that 4chan cares about it's public image.

 

[marrec]

There was a 50/50 chance there'd be an n-bomb in there too.

Ugly and endemic of anonymous internet culture as it is, it's not the straw man most people are making it out to be. It's too convenient to just attribute it onto 4chan instead of the specific shit site with the shit people who did it for a shit reason.

I agree.

I'll leave the topic of 4chan with this point.

I would not have been shocked to learn that those specific posts Zoe capped came from /v/. It would only reinforce what I've experienced of their posting culture.

The fact that it came from somewhere else is of no consequence to how I feel about /v/ and 4chan in general.

Back to the topic at hand I suppose.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

I understood the intentions, I just found it funny that the post they capped was in its own way pretty vile.

"Guys, people on 4chan shouldn't be thrown under the bus, as this screencap of a 4channer calling people "faggots" clearly demonstrates."

Eh?

I understand your feelings... but lets leave it at that, shall we? Or this going to become another topic althogether.

 

[Corronchilejano]

I wonder, does she have caller ID? Has she reported everything to the proper authorities? Some of these "raids" are so hamfisted it's a wonder they even work at all.

 

[marrec]

I understand your feelings... but lets leave it at that, shall we? Or this going to become another topic althogether.

Indeed!

What is the topic anyway? Is it a debate on whether misogyny is inherent to the process of game development?

 

[Architechnophile]

Again, this finger-pointing (4chan? WizChan? GAF?) is all besides the point. Shrugging in the face of the harassment and saying "Well of course, it's _____ group, and they're all crazy" is ridiculous, especially considering how many examples of harassing behavior there are in this very thread.

This is not just a 4chan problem.
This is not just a Wizchan problem.
This is not just a GAF problem.

This is a culture problem. It's happening everywhere. That it should be unilaterally denounced without any qualifying statements should not be a matter of debate.

 

[Lambtron]

Neither does a vocal minority of sexist assholes on message boards mean video game fans in general are the same.

With all due respect, this "vocal minority of sexist assholes" is pretty loud and I'm not sure how minor it is given the reaction anytime the "hey guys, sexism in gaming is pretty bad" topic gets brought up.

 

[marrec]

Again, this finger-pointing (4chan? WizChan? GAF?) is all besides the point. Shrugging in the face of the harassment and saying "Well of course, it's _____ group, and they're all crazy" is ridiculous, especially considering how many examples of harassing behavior there are in this very thread.

This is not just a 4chan problem.
This is not just a Wizchan problem.
This is not just a GAF problem.

This is a culture problem. It's happening everywhere. That it should be unilaterally denounced without any qualifying statements should not be a matter of debate.

Is in inherent to games culture though? And if so, where does it come from?

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Indeed!

What is the topic anyway? Is it a debate on whether misogyny is inherent to the process of game development?

Some dudes in a "All Virgin board" (literally and in their own admission) harassed a female indie developer about a game about depression.

 

[LuchaShaq]

The only thing I hate more than people too immature to ignore internet harassment are the people who harass them.

 

[Red Mage]

The only thing I hate more than people too immature to ignore internet harassment are the people who harass them.

Since when is a phone call internet harassment?

 

[aeolist]

The only thing I hate more than people too immature to ignore internet harassment are the people who harass them.

have you ever had to deal with persistent stalking/harassment, online or otherwise?

downplaying zoe's reaction to this as her being too sensitive is kind of disgusting

 

[pizza dog]

The only thing I hate more than people too immature to ignore internet harassment are the people who harass them.

C'mon son it's long since due we stop saying nonsense like "oh just ignore it no harm no foul".

 

[meltingparappa]

Indeed!

What is the topic anyway? Is it a debate on whether misogyny is inherent to the process of game development?

I think it's that apparently, you can make an effective game trying to educate people about a pervasive silent illness in society, but if ten months later you try to monetize it in any way, then that crosses an unforgivable line?

Really the topic should be about how the game is important enough that some people feel it's worthy of committing a crime over. And you can play it right now, to see what the fuss is about and possibly gain a profound epiphany or two in the process!

http://www.depressionquest.com/

 

[aeolist]

I think it's that apparently, you can make an effective game trying to educate people about a pervasive silent illness in society, but if ten months later you try to monetize it in any way, then that crosses an unforgivable line?

Really the topic should be about how the game is important enough that some people feel it's worthy of committing a crime over. And you can play it right now, to see what the fuss is about and possibly gain a profound epiphany or two in the process!

http://www.depressionquest.com/

it will be free on steam, this is not about money in any way

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Again, this finger-pointing (4chan? WizChan? GAF?) is all besides the point. Shrugging in the face of the harassment and saying "Well of course, it's _____ group, and they're all crazy" is ridiculous, especially considering how many examples of harassing behavior there are in this very thread.

This is not just a 4chan problem.
This is not just a Wizchan problem.
This is not just a GAF problem.

This is a culture problem. It's happening everywhere. That it should be unilaterally denounced without any qualifying statements should not be a matter of debate.

Let's say this: GAF has its issues. But just saying "is not only finger pointing" doesn't make it less so. And the quality of one statement is actually a basic matter of debating.

 

[Gintoki313]

I just clicked on a Walking Dead topic on the first page in /v/

About two thirds of the posts in there would get you permabanned on gaf.

I saw that thread, and if were talking about the same thread. That one was a week ago. I usually don't get offended often or almost ever, but that thread was the first one to ever get to me.

 

[marrec]

I think it's that apparently, you can make an effective game trying to educate people about a pervasive silent illness in society, but if ten months later you try to monetize it in any way, then that crosses an unforgivable line?

Really the topic should be about how the game is important enough that some people feel it's worthy of committing a crime over. And you can play it right now, to see what the fuss is about and possibly gain a profound epiphany or two in the process!

http://www.depressionquest.com/

Honestly I'd love it if this thread just became a Depression Quest love in.

Which... sounds a little odd given the subject matter.

Better to lift the game and it's developer up above all the misogynistic assholes.

 

[Architechnophile]

Is in inherent to games culture though? And if so, where does it come from?

It's not so much that it's exclusive to games culture, I think (sports, business, etc. have their own instances of this sort of thing, of course), it's that it manifests in particular ways in games culture, exacerbated by the industry's close ties to the internet.

Where does it come from? Dunno...I could only speculate that it's got its roots in the prevailing myth of gaming as an exclusively male domain. I also think that gamers have a sense of shared ownership of their industry that's a bit unique, and leads to a lot of territorial behavior.

Nasty stuff.

 

[marrec]

It's not so much that it's exclusive to games culture, I think (sports, business, etc. have their own instances of this sort of thing, of course), it's that it manifests in particular ways in games culture, exacerbated by the industry's close ties to the internet.

Where does it come from? Dunno...I could only speculate that it's got its roots in the prevailing myth of gaming as an exclusively male domain. I also think that gamers have a sense of shared ownership of their industry that's a bit unique, and leads to a lot of territorial behavior.

Nasty stuff.

I posted about it earlier, but I'll repeat it now. I have a feeling general resentment towards women plays a more pervasive and insidious role in 'geek culture' than it does in society at large.

 

[Architechnophile]

Let's say this: GAF has its issues. But just saying "is not only finger pointing" doesn't make it less so. And the quality of one statement is actually a basic matter of debating.

Err? I don't follow. I didn't say the phrase "is not only finger pointing". And the word I used was "qualifying", not "quality".

 

[Burt]

I was going to say that it's ridiculous for her to get worked up over anything posted on (parts of) 4chan (oh god please don't track me down 4channers), Twitter, or any other imageboard, but the phone call thing is fucking insane. Honestly, shit like that makes me think that there might actually be a good use for the NSA surveillance and drone strikes.

But yeah, regarding the more regular hate, it is just the Internet, and saying that its shittiest spots filled with its shittiest people should affect you because it's the place you work is like saying that the worst, most dangerous part of a city should affect you when you work in a relatively safe and nice part of town. If you venture into the shit parts where you know you're not welcome, or stop and engage with the people running an MRA/Nazi/KKK/we're-assholes-but-free-speech-yo parade through your part of town, well... what else can you expect?

I do understand and respect the fact that she's had a different life than me and will handle and deal with this sort of situation differently, I just personally don't think it's ever worth getting worked up over. Good on her for bringing it up though.

 

[meltingparappa]

it will be free on steam, this is not about money in any way

OH GOOD.

Another blow to my faith in humanity.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Honestly I'd love it if this thread just became a Depression Quest love in.

Which... sounds a little odd given the subject matter.

Better to lift the game and it's developer up above all the misogynistic assholes.

I will be all in for that.

Everytime I am depressed I think in that game and its parallel of my own issues.

Err? I don't follow. I didn't say the phrase "is not only finger pointing". And the word I used was "qualifying", not "quality".]

Oh, sorry for that part.

 

[SteveWinwood]

It's drawing with a simple (usually web-based - so you don't cheat) software.
Basically, open MS paint and try and draw something great.

ex:

oh

i figured it was some sort of porn

 

[Architechnophile]

I posted about it earlier, but I'll repeat it now. I have a feeling general resentment towards women plays a more pervasive and insidious role in 'geek culture' than it does in society at large.

It sure seems like that to me. A few writers that I know who work in other, tangentially-related fields also tell me that it's much worse here. It's sad.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

It sure seems like that to me. A few writers that I know who work in other, tangentially-related fields also tell me that it's much worse here. It's sad.

I known worse... but probably it has to do with the overall idiosyncrasy of my own country.

 

[Annubis]

oh

i figured it was some sort of porn

That's bukkake.

 

[piratepwnsninja]

This is stupid. I don't care where the information came from, it's ridiculous that people feel it's OK to act like this. It's just not. I agree with someone that said they should actually be punished for deciding that it's totally OK for them to be vile outside of the internet to people. It's bad enough that they do this on the internet.

 

[snap0212]

I posted about it earlier, but I'll repeat it now. I have a feeling general resentment towards women plays a more pervasive and insidious role in 'geek culture' than it does in society at large.

I agree, but I'd say it's more a “on the internet”-thing and what people say on the internet in general. And it goes the other way around as well. Check out tumblr. The resentment and hate towards men on some of the blogs followed by thousands and thousands of people is something that you'd probably not experience in real life. If that were representative of society at large then I'd probably have my genitals chopped off by now.

 

[LuchaShaq]

C'mon son it's long since due we stop saying nonsense like "oh just ignore it no harm no foul".

Reread what I said. More like no harm but yes foul. They are obviously assholes. That said I know preteens who deal with online/creepy prank call shit better than this.


Ps I already liked depression quest

 

[Fried Food]

Reading about the horribleness of internet people is the one true depression quest.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Disgusting.

 

[bishoptl]

So you can't be bothered to read the thread in which you're commenting, and you think the victim in question is responsible for her own harassment for publicity purposes.

You'll last a long time here.

2 hrs

 

[Marvel]

Oh man that is terrible, no one deserves this kind of treatment on the internet.

 

[EvB]

internet culture is fucked up.
I can't believe that people from a civilised society still behave like this.

The scary thing is you see hints of it everywhere.

 

[Lain]

At least, because of this, I got to know about her game and as such I got to give it a yes vote on greenlight. Even negative shit can have a very little positive... thing to it, sometime.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

The only upside to this thread is that an amazing tag was born.

 

[marrec]

The only upside to this thread is that an amazing tag was born.

Well that and a few more people know about Depression Quest.

 

[The Technomancer]

I posted about it earlier, but I'll repeat it now. I have a feeling general resentment towards women plays a more pervasive and insidious role in 'geek culture' than it does in society at large.

Oh it definitely does. Which isn't to say its unique to geek culture but its definitely there in larger proportion then "general society"

 

[LiK]

This is too bizzare. I don't understand why they have anything against her selling a game. Cuz she's female?

 

[Atrophis]

The only upside to this thread is that an amazing tag was born.

"Banned"?

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Well that and a few more people know about Depression Quest.

2 positive outcomes is sadly a record for a sexism thread

This is too bizzare. I don't understand why they have anything against her selling a game. Cuz she's female?

Apparently women can't understand depression because they can just lie in the street and have a man cure it with their magic penis. I wish I were joking.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

The thing about 4chan is that's it's clearly a shit pit for idiots to vent their inner turmoil...but the idea that even one of those dolts spends so much time there that they begin to believe that way of thinking and acting is ok in the real world just terrifies me.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

"Banned"?

"hello?" "this is vagina"

The thing about 4chan is that's it's clearly a shit pit for idiots to vent their inner turmoil...but the idea that even one of those dolts spends so much time there that they begin to believe that way of thinking and acting is ok in the real world just terrifies me.

 

[Daingurse]

Pathetic, especially because I admire what she was trying to do with Depression Quest. As someone living with Major Depression, I found the game to be eerily accurate. I appreciated her spreading awareness about a disease, most people have no understanding or comprehension of.

Fucking 4chan, so typical.

edit: Not 4chan I guess, but a Depression board? These people need professional help, like me, Christ . . .

 

[meltingparappa]

This is too bizzare. I don't understand why they have anything against her selling a game. Cuz she's female?

If I can parse the screencaps, it's because they (a subsection of a board devoted just to depression) believe that her game is not representative of their own struggles with the illness, and thus she is doing it "for attention."

Yes. It is stupid for at least fifty obvious reasons.