frankie_baby
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My galaxy nexus had the keyboard permanently ghosted on it after 4 months and i my mrs' s3 did too but cant remember how long that took
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A Nintendo Switch has been taken apart
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My galaxy nexus had the keyboard permanently ghosted on it after 4 months and i my mrs' s3 did too but cant remember how long that took
With the joycons and HD rumble being part of the system is there any viable way to make a clamshell Switch work and be stable. Honestly, I don't believe there is any reason Nintendo would do this given all the positive idea provoking responses we have seen from developers about HD rumble. I think the 4K dock has more plausibility than a smaller/clamshell Switch.
Help me understand if you think I'm off the deep end here.
I had an issue with my S3 where it would not go to sleep. The screen stayed on all day for at least 14 hours a day, for a week straight(I took the battery out at night). Got it fixed and had no screen burn in.
frankie_baby
Member
There's definitely an element of potluck with oled burn in but its definitely toocommon an ocurance for a device that people will want 4+ years use out of
A single memory chip module and soldered flash memory. If the chip isn't 16nm, I think we would get that to be able to do the foxconn tests for 8 days straight, as a 20nm x1 based SoC wouldn't be capable of such a test in the Switch, with it's cooling. Nothing that would violate the FCC filing, just small things, it's mostly timing I have a problem with, as july devkits would have been august devkits and final since software was the focus with the device, instead we have july devkits and no new devkit until october.
HD Rumble works in the pro controller, why could it not work in a clamshell design? Joycons being separate only make sense in table top or tv mode which makes a pro controller style clamshell make perfect sense for a handheld.
mario_O
Member
Bad luck, I guess.
You can buy OLED TV's, you know. Do you think they'll sell them if the screen was going to die after just two years?
Or look at what all the VR headsets are using for the best screen tech possible.
It's very expensive, and that's the only reason Nintendo will not use it.
hello_my_name_is_cookie
Neo Member
Are you sure it wasn't a counterfeit S3 ?
My S3 still works perfectly after 4,5 years.
Look I believe that Sony has creative studios but you did just name a strictly third party game in Nioh and a paid for by Sony Third party game made in the exact vein of games the third party dev is known for making. You like completely avoided a lot of the creative stuff Sony has made over the last 2 decades.
frankie_baby
Member
I'm pretty sure Three don't supply counterfeit phones
IDD with you and this is a much better solution for people than the Wii U was as well. Having said that you don't want Nintendo's HOME CONSOLE to be too far behind to a point where they don't get a large amount of support from other developers. I can't wait to get my Switch but I would be lying if I said I was completely assured that Nintendo will get that support. Why? Because they keep being so damn cryptic about a 3DS successor. If the Switch was both the Wii U and 3DS successor, it will 100 percent be flooded with games and probably do real well. I think it is a mistake for them to insinuate that the 3DS could get a follow-up that isn't a Switch derivative. Either way for guys like me and you, the Switch is fine because we want Nintendo experiences and will get the other experiences from the other systems we probably both own (I do, I am sure most people here have multiple consoles)
Good point. I was focused in on the coontrolles still being detachable.
TC McQueen
Member
If they're lucky, maybe they can stick a small kinetic cooler in there and get a performance boost via less overheating:
http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002957
That said, I don't remember how well the tech scales down, so that cooler I linked to might be the smallest practical model you can make.
lwilliams3
Member
I don't know, man .. the system clocks, GFLOPS numbers, cores, etc seem so random at a glance. Why would they play around with clock frequency out-of-sync with the system clock? I'll give it another look later. Where did that screen come from?
I was on my phone and only did the first lower clocks, I was factoring in the CPUs GFLOPs. It's wrong as the second set of clocks give far too high a gflops number to match up with what was written. It's 100% fake IMO.
You dont know what capcom actually asked for vs what they got. They obviosly will put a positive spin when talking publicly about a system they want to sell games on. Maybe they only mentioned memory because thats the area Nintendo bulged on.
The 20nm process wasn't further developed, so unless they moved to 16nm, yes it should still throttle unless it has different cooling.
Clock speed was also likely changed as performance was increased in final devkits and july devkits had 4GB RAM already.
lwilliams3
Member
Yeah. They also did a benchmark test on many systems, and the PSVita wasn't DESTROYED as much as it should have compared to the Switch.
Speaking of that, the Capcom representative during that devkit meeting reportedly referred to the Switch as "High performance and low power," more than once, and this wasn't a PR statement. It sounds like they were very impressed with the power.
"High performance and low power," has been an internal Nintendo hardware slogan since the gamecube. Go read Iwata Asks for Wii or Wii U. Takeda also used the same words in the recent Q&A.
One thing thats very odd about the X1 with no A53 theory is that both Nintendo and Nvidia insists its a custom soc. If its 99% X1, why be so secretive about it?
Turn your screen sideways, turn the brightness up and tell me you don't have a band of slightly different hue at the side of your screen, where the Android taskbar goes (unless you're color blind). I've had multiple Galaxy phones and they ALL had this. It's not burn in by the way, but depletion, and it's simply a factor of OLED. A slight price to pay for the superiority of OLED in terms of contrast and speed outside of this, but I'm fine with gaming consoles not having it.
This. The FCC aren't going to hang them out to dry because they've (potentially) moved from 20nm/A57 to 16nm/A72. The submitted product would still continue to represent the functional, material purpose of the final retail unit for all intents and purposes.
Just a note. A72/16 nm is not a leak, but a speculation within the Foxconn leak, based on the clocks. And it's A57 in July development docs, not A53.
Capcom specificly mentioned comparisons to current gen platforms. Nobody was trying to downport games from more powerful platforms to 3ds.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
The high GFLOPS, the bash script and the mere 10C difference between standby and full-power do cause a serious doubt of the truthfulness of this screengrab. Also, I haven't seen an ARM cluster yet where cores can be individually clocked, but that could be a matter of performance governor after all.
I had never seen this....Atleast there seems to be no wasted space this time.
Kissenkopf
Banned
What games is Capcom downporting to Switch now?
I have no idea, but ram amount compared to current gen woudnt matter if they didnt want to run current gen games on it anyway.
RUMOR is RE7 is being ported, but still a rumor. I would like to point out that the source did get other rumors right like online not being a fee "at launch" and making the wording very clear about it being charged later. Also some other things, it was part of that Obe1's Switchmas thing.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Yes, I'm heavily leaning towards fake.
lwilliams3
Member
Nintendo repeating this slogan is one thing, but Capcom doing the same in a Non-PR environment is different.
I expect only minor changes on the hardware itself, but for the software tools to be heavily customized. Nintendo has nothing to gain from releasing specs, since they know that they will be compared to the much bigger consoles.
Capcom was an exception, though. They ported down SFIV to the 3DS.
Kissenkopf
Banned
Phew...he also said that the Switch can be charged in 30 minutes and stuff like that. I highly doubt he knew anything from the beginning.
He actually did mention some very specific things that ended up being true about the presentation when even LKD was off on it.
Kissenkopf
Banned
Really? What were these specific things? Don't remember anything tbh.^^
If the SoC only have the 4 A57 cores and the OS is reserving 1 Core that would suggest to me that the A53 cores have been removed instead of just disabled (why use a A57 core for the OS when you could use 1 of the A53 core).
If they are removed what could Nintendo put in that space? would some fast ram fit? or something else useful to a gaming machine?
If they are removed what could Nintendo put in that space? would some fast ram fit? or something else useful to a gaming machine?
Skittzo0413
Member
Regarding where this unit came from, the FCC test unit makes no sense to me. Why would the FCC, a United States governmental organization, give the test unit to someone who then somehow gets it into the hands of a Chinese company that does electronics tear downs? Does the FCC give it back to Nintendo? Do they store their test units? I can't imagine a third option here, and if it's either of the first two I don't really know how this source from the OP could have gotten the unit.
It makes far more sense as a defective unit from Foxconn, devkit or not. Likely not devkit due to the 32GB of storage. These images really don't say much about the SoC regardless, so the Foxconn clocks/16nm could still be accurate. The only thing we can reasonably determine from these figures is the amount of RAM and bandwidth, and clearer pictures would probably be more definitive there.
And did that readout about the clocks and flops with 516 cores come from this same source? If so that's confusing, as that looks quite fake.
It makes far more sense as a defective unit from Foxconn, devkit or not. Likely not devkit due to the 32GB of storage. These images really don't say much about the SoC regardless, so the Foxconn clocks/16nm could still be accurate. The only thing we can reasonably determine from these figures is the amount of RAM and bandwidth, and clearer pictures would probably be more definitive there.
And did that readout about the clocks and flops with 516 cores come from this same source? If so that's confusing, as that looks quite fake.
Nintendo doesn't really want the specs to be released, and since it's their chip Nvidia has to remain silent as well.
About the A53 fact is that it seems there were already X1 without them already in some products, I did some digging a while ago and some wiki Tegra pages reflected that, I'll try to link that later since I'm on mobile now.
So recapping some info.-
* July docs: 4A57s (3 usable for games)
* No A53s
* Chinese photos pointing to a 64bit bus
* 1600 Lpddr4
The question again is, what is customized if even no A53s isn't really new?
About the clocks 4SM thing, as pointed out there are too many things contradicting that possibility, plus by my estimations SoC being in a similar fab mode would be around 150ish mm which doesn't seem to be the case looking at the chinese photos.
We still need some die shots from both Switch and Tegra X1 (the one on the slides is just a PR render) and some hacking to know the clocks, but things seem to be moving really fast and launch is almost here so hopefully we won't have to wait too much.
If it's really is a 64bit bus, that's certainly custom and would be great.
Edit: or not. I'm confused.
He was the only guy to predict that the online service will be free then paid at a later date. Plus, stuff like SMTV or a new muso game from KT.
It's not the fcc unit, it's a prototype, like the one they made for the fcc. Nintendo made the switch internally according to the Foxconn leak, we don't know how many, but the time lines don't match up. Making an unfinished devkit and within a week, make a functional final device, give it to the fcc and then wait 3 months before giving developers final devkits? How does that work?
Sorry I meant the whole memory bus so not a customization either, my point was that even now nothing seems customized.
That fake picture is not from the same source as the Switch SoC.
Skittzo0413
Member
I don't know how long the gap typically is between SoC being fabbed and the final device being sent out, whether as a devkit or retail unit so I can't answer that. It could be that it's usually 3-4 months, which could mean the July devkit SoCs were fabbed in April or March and the October SoCs (which could also be retail SoCs) were fabbed in June-July. Without knowing how this is typically done (both by Nintendo and others in the industry) we can't really make judgements about the timeline.
You could be right that it's an old prototype, but I don't think the timeline is any reason to disqualify it from being a final unit. There's a big difference between having the SoCs being manufactured and "beginning trial production of the NX", as the latter implies assembling the entire unit.
Gotcha, thanks. The site in the OP is confusing and hard to navigate.
I don't have that phone anymore. Upgraded last summer. But I did not notice anything. But then It is only used for text, calls, and forum browsing at lunch while at work. Unless the issue was in the main portion of the screen, I probably would not have noticed. But there was definitely no burn in from the app icons or widgets that were on it at the time.
As I pointed out before, the new Shield from Nvidia has a SoC manufactured 3 weeks later than Switch's SoC and that was just released. So several months between SoC manufacturing and release doesn't really sound far fetched.
Skittzo0413
Member
Yeah I agree, and the fact that a Nintendo product will be moving far more volume than a Shield TV revision certainly would suggest that the gap could be a bit longer.